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The Guardian says patriots have taken up positions on the border, arresting invaders

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posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: JakobeSVT
These men are patriots. Send them what ever supplies they need.

🤘💪🇺🇸!


Way ahead of you on that brother!

I agree completely though. A strong, well oiled logistics machine is necessary to sustain what will certainly become a tens-of-thousands strong operation. OPERATION UNITED FRONT is one name I have heard floated

A little birdie also told me that sympathetic individuals living in the area are already providing them assistance as well

Making plans to fly down soon, just waiting on a couple Amazon/CheaperThanDirt orders to come in and working out the logistics of hauling weapons, 30+lbs of armor and a bucket load of food/water and other supplies. I ordered OC/CS aerosol canisters but those cannot come on the flight, so that is another thing I am working out. Going to rent a truck or try to buy a used Gator/Kubota ATVs locally

I got a large fund set aside I planned to use to armor a bug out vehicle, but I think the money would be much better spent supporting counter-invasion operations on the border. Only difference between this and taxes to the government is this money will be worth spending
edit on 4/20/2019 by JBurns because: (no reason given)




posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: SJE98

The governor is a joke, but she cannot stop Citizens from exercising their lawful authority to make arrests for misdemeanor breaches of the peace they witness or any felony that did actually occur.

Besides, isn't the border technically federal property?



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: fallen1
These little white supremacist groups hiding under the guise of patriotism will end badly. It will end badly for them, the far right and Trump.



Really? What little groups? The Far right?
Lol. All I ever see is leftist dogma everywhere.
End badly you say? For the group that doesn't support open borders, usurpation of our constitution, and might I add the more armed and experienced group of the two?
How so, pray tell?
Oh that's right. I forgot you have nukes right?
(eyeroll)
Peddle your wares elsewhere charlatan, that steak is all sizzle.





posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: DukeMisterio
Those guys are not arresting anybody. They just drink beer and talk about "Nam".
And you are there to listen to their conversation? I don’t think so. Are you one of those people who hate Viet Nam
Veterans? I know a couple myself and one who was in Tiger and Phoenix recon.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 08:05 PM
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A few thoughts (I live in Tucson);

- if a group of civilians detained 200 illegal border jumpers; I think there is no way to describe this other than a crisis. Failure by Congress is shameful.

- living in Arizona I’m not too keen on politicians from non-border states impacting the safety and soundness of where I live. I don’t want my Arizona politicians trying to dictate lobster fishing, logging, or coal. Folks need to stay in their lanes.

- As a conservative republican, non-gun owner, gun rights supporter, former military, citizen... the Far Left/Right minority exist it seems to offset each other’s bat $?!@ crazy ideas. The Mid Left/Right majority get trapped in between.

- Hopefully my teenager’s generation will salvage this soup sandwich somewhere along their life’s journey. Again, hopefully.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 09:29 PM
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originally posted by: justdust
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuckThey tend to change the local culture. Overwhelm the schools, and have you been living under a rock? Some states are trying to give them the right to vote in local elections. It starts small and gradually increases. I remember when I didn't have to press 1 for english. And all the legal forms and notices have to be printed in numerous languages. Just extra expense because we are not allowed to have a national language. Those comming here should learn our culture and ways. not expect us to just accomadate them. I don't think there is a welcome mat laid out on the border.


I think you may have meant to address superman2012 with your post. I pretty much agree with what you have posted.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 10:16 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Doubters and haters can watch the videos. These patriots are respectful and are making sure the illegals are getting water and are not treated poorly.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 10:50 PM
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UCP and other Citizen security groups have been nothing but respectful, professional and even tempered.

Getting tickets Monday, heading down to meet up with some folks and see if we can't lend a hand and bring in some supplies/manpower



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 10:57 PM
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a reply to: F4guy

Actually you are incorrect

NM does not have a statute covering arrest by private citizen

Thus, courts have continued to recognize the common law private citizen's arrest


Instead, our courts have continued to recognize the Common Law concept, ruling that a private citizen can detain a fellow private citizen when there is at least probable cause to believe that the fellow citizen has committed a felony-level crime or a breach of the peace in his presence.

"Alan M. Malott is a judge of the 2nd Judicial District Court. Before joining the court, he practiced law throughout New Mexico for 30 years and was a nationally certified civil trial specialist. If you have questions, contact Judge Malott at P.O. Box 8305, Albuquerque, NM 87198 or e-mail to: alan@malottlaw.com."


www.abqjournal.com...


to take my Lapua .338 and a bunch of Desertech .338 LM rounds and put the feloneous bigots out of our misery.


You certainly could try


Patriots always have faced threats from demented lunatics for doing the right thing. We're used to it. That's OK, you can thank us when the American flag still flies high and proud.


Entering the US to claim asylum is totally legal under federal law.


Ouch wrong again for 4 reasons:

1) Asylum is an affirmative defense. Ie: arrest first, claimed as a defense
2) You can't bypass any other country, such as Mexico
3) You must do so through a legal port of entry
4) You may only do so when fleeing government persecution such is the case with Cuban defectors fleeing to the US


So your "patriots" are committing felony kidnapping.


Pisses you off to see the law finally being enforced doesn't it? You'll get used to it, trust me. Lawless BS doesn't fly any more, or did you miss that memo too
edit on 4/20/2019 by JBurns because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 04:46 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

People here are going too man these check points sooner or later because the people of NM know the Governor wont do anything, and stated just that. Right now DHS has the jurisdiction of the border. The Governor had handed that duty back over to DHS and revmoved the national guard. Its federal now and alway has been. There are some state check points further in in Dona Ann and Otero counties, and white sands range. those check points are on state land and manned by DHS -Border Patrol agents. Crossing immigrants will never see them, they will avoid them. im not sure what is manned now since the national guard has left , I take it just the I-25 check point , maybe could be none at all now.

Without that Militia some of those Immigrants would die in the desert, and they always do here in New Mexico. to clear some thing up here the Militia is advising these people to not processed any further in the interior if the united states and telling them to sit. that is the best thing that militia can do. What else no one realizes here on ATS, maybe some do, is that some of these people are ending up on McGregor range and White Sands missile range. McGregor range is very very dangerous more than white Sands because their are lots of un-exploded ordinance it's the main range for FT Bills. Last year 3 or 4 were found dead, previous year a few more. this stuff never makes into the MSM. who know how many more are dead out their that have not been found yet. I think last year abut 20 immigrants were rescued that wondered onto the AF bombing range, they almost lost lives by F-16's ordnance. they stopped live testing, some one did get some fragmentation injuries.

Anyway the Militia is calling DHS to pick these people up. they are not hurting anyone that i heard of, The ASLU is just making trouble. Most of southern New Mexico is restricted air space and federal land. Most of the land is military ranges. if any thing the Militia is saving lives. The big danger is military ranges, a GPS wont help you either the maps would have to be current and point out the ranges and boundaries. Last I heard a GPS will not point out un-exploded ordnance. Also their is very little water except for the Rio Grande. The ranchers truck water in and move it from time to time for the cattle. It's hard walk though that desert, if your found consider yourself lucky. Everyone knows these people that are crossing are being bussed in with new clothes and when they get to that border I guarantee they are not prepared to cross a desert like that.

If the Governor some how forces this Militia out then God help those immigrants. some will not make it ; no one will be their to help . but we NM Citizens might be there to direct them to DHS.

For those of you thinking of coming here be prepared, very prepaid. You need a 4x4 here and make sure you have have a 4-low gear you will be using it. ( I noticed a car on dirt road that someone in that militia was driving, well that wont last very long lol ..) It's also raining more than usual for the state take note that weather changes on a dime here do not take that for granted. Could be sunny and 70 deg, tomorrow and by evening you see your rear wheel drive car floating down from a flash flood . And then it drops to freezing at night. NM is also an open carry state. but don't shoot around the border for target practice or any where else. their are cattle in the desert here that belong to the ranchers. don't want a stay bullet hitting people or the cattle. also lot of private property along the border that belong to the ranchers. by all means contact the DHS before coming here there are rules and laws I'm sure even an ROE policy. that is why I say contact them. Their is lots of crime and drugs at the border right now. the big crimes are drugs and stolen cars don't be surprised if you see a semi driving down the desert where there are no roads to the border., i's most likely filled with ford trucks heading to Mexico with a load of F-250's not kidding about that.

just a note : that militia is turning over allot immigrants to DHS. I and other people in NM have never seen that many people crossing the border here that is allot per day. they are being held now in Las Cruses some place over 300 today alone.










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posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 07:25 AM
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The FBI and aclu didint like that....look how quickly they go after citizens.

Especially those protecting the country.

Freaking bizarro liberal world



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 08:11 AM
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originally posted by: JBurns
Actually you are incorrect

NM does not have a statute covering arrest by private citizen

Thus, courts have continued to recognize the common law private citizen's arrest


Instead, our courts have continued to recognize the Common Law concept, ruling that a private citizen can detain a fellow private citizen...


See where it says 'fellow private citizen'? They aren't. Also, improper use of the citizens arrest leaves one open to serious prosecution. Shamrock did a thread on this last year.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 09:23 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

I think the plans you are making are great,but...
I think you should not let anyone know what you're
planning to do online.Remember,loose lips,sinks ships!



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 11:05 AM
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a reply to: mamabeth

I appreciate the concern


I always make sure to sprinkle in some misinformation (or do I?) to prevent the exact details from being betrayed

You are right of course, I just think it is sad we have to tip-toe around doing something objectively good and right. Damn the leftists for that



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 11:24 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

That's OK, improper entry is the crime they are witnessing occur in their presence... how is one supposed to know their immigration status? By time that is determined they are already in federal custody, problem solved.

Regardless, lawyers are available should they be needed. Let some leftist activist public official start persecuting Citizens for defending the nation, we will beat them with those facts in a PR battle relentlessly. Good luck finding a jury to convict their fellow Citizens for doing the right thing, especially when all it takes is one patriot juror to nullify persecution by zealots.

It is a risk, no doubt about it. But every act of patriotism and last-chance defiance has been fraught with danger. When the FF overthrew the corrupt british government, it was considered treason by the brits. They are now known as patriots and the founders of our nation. Personal sacrifice is part of being a patriot, I don't think you'll find one of us not astutely aware of that fact. From being targeted by corrupt IRS hags like Lois Lerner to having US based NGOs and even some publicly elected officials slinging all sorts of unfounded baseless insults and peddling outright lies.... we're used to it.


The patriot movement will be OK. Maybe we'll get smarter, and take a page out of ANTIFA's book: Mask up with a gas mask or even just a face wrap or one of these: www.ebay.com... . Also use technology to prevent face recognition systems and stay on Federal property wherever possible. Masking up has an added benefit of preventing the cartels from retaliating

Personally, once the movement shows its effectiveness and professionalism, I suspect it will get its own political cover.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: JBurns
...we will beat them with those facts in a PR battle relentlessly.


Like with that dimwit felon asstard who just got arrested? Awesome PR there.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 11:58 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Agree, it doesn't help anyone. While I don't believe the law can be held as an objective arbiter of right and wrong, we can't win the PR battle with idiots like that. I commend his desire to help out, but he should know they would use it against him and to demonize the entire group

Sad part is, someone who can't own a firearm could still run equipment, operate vehicles and all sorts of activities that are needed. Essentially anything an armed volunteer could do, since the weapons (as always) are only there for defensive purposes



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 06:09 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: SJE98

The governor is a joke, but she cannot stop Citizens from exercising their lawful authority to make arrests for misdemeanor breaches of the peace they witness or any felony that did actually occur.

Besides, isn't the border technically federal property?

No, these "patriots" are playing with fire and could be arrested themselves for kidnapping or a lesser included offense. Coming into the US to claim asylum is legal under current federal law.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 06:34 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: F4guy

Actually you are incorrect

NM does not have a statute covering arrest by private citizen

Thus, courts have continued to recognize the common law private citizen's arrest


Instead, our courts have continued to recognize the Common Law concept, ruling that a private citizen can detain a fellow private citizen when there is at least probable cause to believe that the fellow citizen has committed a felony-level crime or a breach of the peace in his presence.

"Alan M. Malott is a judge of the 2nd Judicial District Court. Before joining the court, he practiced law throughout New Mexico for 30 years and was a nationally certified civil trial specialist. If you have questions, contact Judge Malott at P.O. Box 8305, Albuquerque, NM 87198 or e-mail to: alan@malottlaw.com."


www.abqjournal.com...


to take my Lapua .338 and a bunch of Desertech .338 LM rounds and put the feloneous bigots out of our misery.


You certainly could try


Patriots always have faced threats from demented lunatics for doing the right thing. We're used to it. That's OK, you can thank us when the American flag still flies high and proud.


Entering the US to claim asylum is totally legal under federal law.


Ouch wrong again for 4 reasons:

1) Asylum is an affirmative defense. Ie: arrest first, claimed as a defense
2) You can't bypass any other country, such as Mexico
3) You must do so through a legal port of entry
4) You may only do so when fleeing government persecution such is the case with Cuban defectors fleeing to the US


So your "patriots" are committing felony kidnapping.


Pisses you off to see the law finally being enforced doesn't it? You'll get used to it, trust me. Lawless BS doesn't fly any more, or did you miss that memo too


OK, first, here is the NM Statute that covers citizens arrest in that state: "31-4-14. Arrest without a warrant.The arrest of a person may be lawfully made also by any peace officer or a private person without a warrant upon reasonable information that the accused stands charged in the courts of a state with a crime punishable by death or imprisonment for a term exceeding one year, but when so arrested the accused must be taken before a judge or magistrate with all practicable speed and complaint must be made against him under oath setting forth the ground for the arrest as in the preceding section [31-4-13 NMSA 1978]; and thereafter his answer shall be heard as if he had been arrested on a warrant. Most states have statutes the do follow the common law but NM, for some reason, does not. In any event these warrior wannabes are not taking the aliens to a judge, nor are they filing a complaint under oath as required by the statute.
And you obviously have not read U.S. Code Section 1158: "Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title." Do you see there the part about "whether or not at a port of entry."
I'm afraid that these "patriots" o yours are a bunch of warrior wannabe, firearm possessing felons turning their mindless bigotry into a war game. It could turn out very poorly for them.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: F4guy

Actually it is not "legal" it is an affirmative defense to an objectively illegal act. You get to claim after you're arrested, as a defense.

However

1) You must enter through a lawful port of entry
2) You cannot by pass any other country to come here
3) You must be fleeing State persecution

Anything else constitutes multiple felony offenses.

Wrong again F4guy.



No, these "patriots" are playing with fire and could be arrested themselves for kidnapping or a lesser included offense.


Actually that is incorrect. Depending on where the arrests occur, especially if on US property. In any case, if there was any truth to your statement, why haven't they been arrested already? Why haven't the dozens of militias operating in the area for years been arrested?

You are part of the problem. Regardless, it is a chance I am willing to take and others are as well. I'll take their word, not yours. The group of active and retired LEOs I am flying down to meet up with seem to hold a different opinion as well. But by all means, if you think their buddies are going to lift a finger you should keep dreaming.

You are just jealous some folks actually have the wherewithal to get up off the couch, put down the iphone, turn off the TV/Lap top and do something that matters.
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