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Why justice must be swift and public or we'll see a rise in vigilante justice

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posted on Apr, 18 2019 @ 09:30 PM
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I've read a lot of forums and a very wide variety of youtube channels since before the election - probably starting around the rise of BLM - and I can tell you I've noticed a drastic rise in the anger of people in general towards government officials. I used to visit similar forums during Bush and early Obama and there was nothing like what I see today. I think Bengazi was where I really started to notice a shift in how angry people were - at least "publicly" online but it picked up during the 2016 campaign and has risen drastically since. There is a huge rise in frustration with a lack of investigation into obvious crimes and a seemingly one sided application of laws, rules and ethics.

There was obviously some kind of coordinated effort to inhibit Trumps administration (at best) and at worst a coup. There has been so many major crimes committed during Obama's presidency, Hillary being the obvious culprit (and many in her "orbit"). I've seen people who were ardent democrats and voted for Hillary who have changed their mind (painfully admitted at least) and now think she should face investigation and justice. I think if we don't quickly see an honest and "open" investigation into the previous crimes we are going to see cases of people taking justice into their own hands - and I say this because of the anger I see online and by people I meet in person, people who would usually not even mention politics or at least not express anger, that are almost seething at what has happened.

For those who think there is a slim chance of this happening I think you need to realize that has already happened with the attack on Scalise, granted it was a strange "random" attack with only Republicans in general targeted, but it was a politically motivated act of terror (BTW, has he been charged with terrorism? If so, why not?). I think we will see similar things, possibly more precise, (not a random group), if there isn't investigations and or prosecutions.

Another reason this needs to be done, not just to prevent future attacks, but like Trump said "this can not happen again" and that goes for more than the investigation into the President, but basically everything that was done around the Trump campaign by the democrats and the intelligence agencies. These investigations and house cleaning are absolutely necessary to set a precedent or we will surely see the same things happen in short time and if it happens again, there will be a HUGE loss of faith in the political process - yes it can get worse.




posted on Apr, 18 2019 @ 09:52 PM
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a reply to: DigginFoTroof

and why are the people angry at each other instead of their chosen politicians ? thats the question we need to address.
why do people fight for a side instead of the people as a whole?

why other countries have people rallying against government corruption but never the USA? where's our "yellow vest movement against the investigation" .

we're caught up being angry at each other instead of admission of poor government officials.

we're too jacked on drugs and alcohol and superhero movies and social media, to go on the streets and do some government protesting.



posted on Apr, 18 2019 @ 09:56 PM
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I believe Hillary will be taken down soon.
Possibly even Barack.


All of this could have been avoided it President Trump would have run as a Democrat. I believe he was one all his life, until Barack. I remember seeing President Trump on the Oprah Winfrey show, many years ago. He was a Democrat, and she wanted him to run. My, how times have changed. There was a time when many Democrats stood against "abortion on demand" for birth control purposes. I may not agree with President Trump on certain issues, but I admire his perseverance and bold manner. I do admire that he is trying to keep his campaign promises. I don't like that he slept around on his wife. I don't like that he tweets so much. He should let Patriots defend him, and those who oppose him fall on their swords, on their own



posted on Apr, 18 2019 @ 10:06 PM
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originally posted by: visitedbythem
I believe Hillary will be taken down soon.
Possibly even Barack.


All of this could have been avoided it President Trump would have run as a Democrat. I believe he was one all his life, until Barack. I remember seeing President Trump on the Oprah Winfrey show, many years ago. He was a Democrat, and she wanted him to run. My, how times have changed. There was a time when many Democrats stood against "abortion on demand" for birth control purposes. I may not agree with President Trump on certain issues, but I admire his perseverance and bold manner. I do admire that he is trying to keep his campaign promises. I don't like that he slept around on his wife. I don't like that he tweets so much. He should let Patriots defend him, and those who oppose him fall on their swords, on their own


Hillary and Obama are untouchable just like the Bushes and that is why America has two types of laws, one for the common man and one for the govt. employees and yes, I believe Obama was a govt. employee. Correct me if I'm wrong though.



posted on Apr, 18 2019 @ 10:18 PM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: DigginFoTroof

and why are the people angry at each other instead of their chosen politicians ? thats the question we need to address.
why do people fight for a side instead of the people as a whole?

why other countries have people rallying against government corruption but never the USA? where's our "yellow vest movement against the investigation" .

we're caught up being angry at each other instead of admission of poor government officials.

we're too jacked on drugs and alcohol and superhero movies and social media, to go on the streets and do some government protesting.


I agree with you but I think one of the biggest problems is the way the US is populated and this works to GREAT benefit to the politicians. In France, you have about 40-45%+ of the population within 1 hour's drive of Paris, so if you want a protest it is VERY easy to do so. If you look at the US and it's largest city and everything in a 1 hour drive you have about 10%+ of the population and then we have A LOT of other major cities of economic and political power. France is in a somewhat unique situation with Paris being the largest in size, economic influence, political influence & cultural influence. It's very easy to make a statement in that country because of this.

But all in all I agree with you for the most part but I don't think people are so much mad at other people, they are really pizzed at the politicians, all of them - both parties for the most part. We've been sold out by many of the Republicans who could have delivered many things but I'm guessing b/c of lobbying efforts, those things weren't done. People are mad at their constitutional rights being trampled & that some are trying to remove them/hamper them.

Even though we are told that the economy is doing well because of employment, you really need to look at the wage numbers - personal income - and that isn't doing so well. It's largely a numbers "trick" in showing how well thigns are going. This makes it very difficult for people to take a "radical" (it really isn't radical only considered so because of the fascist MSM & SJW doxing protesters & getting them fired) stand for their beleifs - these are TYRRANICAL acts by the communist/fascist leftists. In france this doesn't seem to be the same AND they have a different social welfare system that SEEMS allows people to do things like take off work and protest (I think their employer can't fire them or something??) where here in the US, unless you own your own company, that's not going to fly.

I think people do what they can as far as protesting, and for a lot of people, that comes down to voicing their opinions online.

Maybe the government should create public forums where you join with a state ID/registration, and you can protest there, online, and share ideas with others in the state/nation, and then the politicians can't say they didn't hear us/them or didn't know it was an issue. Polls would be an easy thing to do as well. I picture something like the Reddit format working well - as long as people can only register once and have some strict verification process.



posted on Apr, 18 2019 @ 10:21 PM
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When the whole family has to work to make ends meet, I don't think the economy is doing so well.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 02:48 AM
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a reply to: musicismagic

It depends on who you ask, the rich like cheap labor.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 04:08 AM
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a reply to: DigginFoTroof

I think you underestimate how much a full belly and a paycheck every week will keep people from taking action.

No one is going to risk their job over the bs happening in our government.

When will you be quitting your job and taking to the streets?



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 04:18 AM
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originally posted by: visitedbythem
I believe Hillary will be taken down soon.
Possibly even Barack.


All of this could have been avoided it President Trump would have run as a Democrat. I believe he was one all his life, until Barack. I remember seeing President Trump on the Oprah Winfrey show, many years ago. He was a Democrat, and she wanted him to run. My, how times have changed. There was a time when many Democrats stood against "abortion on demand" for birth control purposes. I may not agree with President Trump on certain issues, but I admire his perseverance and bold manner. I do admire that he is trying to keep his campaign promises. I don't like that he slept around on his wife. I don't like that he tweets so much. He should let Patriots defend him, and those who oppose him fall on their swords, on their own


I agree.

On the point of Trump previously identifying as a democrat, I think Trump's stance has remained pretty much the same. It is the democrat party that has moved further (much further) left. To think JFK was a democrat.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 05:57 AM
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It is perceived by many, my self included, that there is very little justice left in America. To many deals, to many secrets, to many poor people pushed into prison. The rich or well connected never see the inside of a jail. Case in point, Jussie Smollett, he got a pass. The Clinton's, the FBI and DOJ look the other way. I could go on for days.

Here in my home town a local fire chefs son is killed by a illegal, no trial the immigrant is just deported again. We have no faith in the Department of Justice any more. It’s a matter of time before, We the People start to dispense justice and it will be swift and sure.
edit on 19-4-2019 by Nickn3 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 06:20 AM
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originally posted by: musicismagic

originally posted by: visitedbythem
I believe Hillary will be taken down soon.
Possibly even Barack.


All of this could have been avoided it President Trump would have run as a Democrat. I believe he was one all his life, until Barack. I remember seeing President Trump on the Oprah Winfrey show, many years ago. He was a Democrat, and she wanted him to run. My, how times have changed. There was a time when many Democrats stood against "abortion on demand" for birth control purposes. I may not agree with President Trump on certain issues, but I admire his perseverance and bold manner. I do admire that he is trying to keep his campaign promises. I don't like that he slept around on his wife. I don't like that he tweets so much. He should let Patriots defend him, and those who oppose him fall on their swords, on their own


Hillary and Obama are untouchable just like the Bushes and that is why America has two types of laws, one for the common man and one for the govt. employees and yes, I believe Obama was a govt. employee. Correct me if I'm wrong though.


It is time here in America to return to the days of Equal protection under the law and the One Tier system of justice.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 06:23 AM
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originally posted by: musicismagic
When the whole family has to work to make ends meet, I don't think the economy is doing so well.



That started when democrat huckster Jimmy Carter was in charge. It hasn't been corrected because that was the NWO plan. Swamp us with stuff so people don't have time to focus on their corruption as we march toward a Communist NWO.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:14 AM
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a reply to: Justoneman

To be perfectly fair, I don’t think it was a failure of policies with Carter but a failure to enact policies with Carter. Carter had the the double misfortune of double digit inflation (a reaction to abandoning the gold standard and gold naturally skyrocketing) and reverberations of the outcomes from both civil rights and the women’s movement in the work economy. Equality had been established and everyone white, black, man or woman could have a good job and they took them. More income means higher prices to consume new wealth.

The two wage earner family became the norm because prices demanded it. Prices demanded it because if everyone is rich, then no one is. The equal yet exact opposite of if everyone is poor then no one is mindset of socialism/communism.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:33 AM
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Corruption in government is at every level, from local politics all the way to the top. Citizens should be working from the lowest levels first when cleaning house. Township, city, county, school boards, etc, should be the starting point to move forward and ever higher up the political food chain.

If the true majority gains enough political power at the lowest levels, it will make it's way up and ultimately not be ignored. It's your local government, make sure your officials understand this and can't keep doing business as usual by continuing to ignore the people they are supposed to represent. These local politicians are your neighbors and should have your concerns as their top priority. Let's not make it easy for them to wield power for their political cronies and make them work for the citizens that voted them into office. We need a solid foundation to move forward from or we will never have a foot to stand on politically.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: DigginFoTroof




Why justice must be swift and public or we'll see a rise in vigilante justice


Are the vigilante's going to "clean house" of the FBI and intelligence agencies?



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:58 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
Are the vigilante's going to "clean house" of the FBI and intelligence agencies?


Nobodies going to do anything, it's all just internet big talk.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 11:27 AM
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a reply to: visitedbythem

He was one until his best friend JFK JR died mysteriously after he decided to run for senate against Herr Clinton. No one should belong to a party that rigs their own primary, and ignores the will of their voters. The Dems are finished after this big nothing burger has come to light (Mueller Report) read Ms. Page's Testimony where she admits that Barry authorized the spying on a private citizen before he even ran.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 11:27 AM
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He was one until his best friend JFK JR died mysteriously after he decided to run for senate against Herr Clinton. No one should belong to a party that rigs their own primary, and ignores the will of their voters. The Dems are finished after this big nothing burger has come to light (Mueller Report) read Ms. Page's Testimony where she admits that Barry authorized the spying on a private citizen before he even ran.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: DigginFoTroof

There's GOOD citizen justice being delivered at the southern border. Two Hundred illegals rounded up by armed citizens who care.

www.theblaze.com...





posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:46 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: olaru12
Are the vigilante's going to "clean house" of the FBI and intelligence agencies?


Nobodies going to do anything, it's all just internet big talk.


But this invasion, for lack of a more logical word for it, is dangerous to the balance of power. THAT is why the Chinese back the D's and the D's are commies with a group of RINO's in tow IMO.

Green party and Libertarian/Tea party should replace the Cabal Parties.




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