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Why does no one care that the ISIS caliphate was destroyed?

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posted on Apr, 17 2019 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

Economic systems do not have the control over policies. Its political systems that do. Blaming capitalism is misguided, as there is no way for an economic system to directly control policy. If you have a complaint its about government/political system. And i'd add that in the West, if we blame government we blame ourselves and our own apathy.




posted on Apr, 17 2019 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Aye its the whole system and those who support it that are the problem , we are just allowing this to happen right before our eyes !



posted on Apr, 17 2019 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Tartuffe

aye in the short term humans have increased their longevity but at an expense, but look at the impact of such on the planet !

the loss of habitats, the pollution of our ecosystems, the detriment to the food chain
the depletion of ozone layer !

its a fact , capitalism will kill our species and our planet !
just so a handful of people can have power and wealth in the present!



The biggest polluter is China, which is a socialist country. Do you mean industrialization?



posted on Apr, 17 2019 @ 11:33 AM
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originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

I said earlier that violence breeds violence, the Soviets in Afghanistan probably also stirred resentment, I guess my main point is, what's the point of celebrating when it's greed fueled aggression that causes the need for these groups to be wiped out in the first place, it's just a stupid circle going around and around pointlessly




You do understand that much of the Middle East is still run by warlords, right? Add in extreme fundamentalist views now to the mix and you get ISIS, but what they are, have become is actually a mentality that has been around for over 2000 years and not going away anytime soon, and not something Russia or America created in the last 30 plus years.

They cut their teeth on violence and that is why they are so hard to fully defeat, fighting is their life, what they do, a norm for them. In Iraq they killed each other tenfold over what we did in the war. Groups would go into a village and kill all the men, cut their heads off and throw their bodies in the river. If a Sunni walked into a Shia area they are not coming out alive and vice versa. The only reason Saddam was successful in ruling was because of his brutal actions that they either feared or respected, but its what they expected.


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posted on Apr, 17 2019 @ 12:04 PM
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: UKTruth

TRump destroyed the caliphate ?



Who claimed that?
If you read correctly, you'll see that I did not, so you must be thinking of someone else, can't read, or started typing without thinking.



posted on Apr, 17 2019 @ 12:11 PM
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them 'freedom fighters' that defeated the ISIS proxy army of Jihadists... were the Kurds & Russians & the biggest reason the Kurds & Russians made ISIS fighters scarce was the CIA/Black Ops Funding & support dried up or became a dribble-dribble of far-fewer dollars and no new jeeps/Humvees/sneakers/M Packs/Stinger Missiles & huge Cache's of small arms

Besides in the 3-6 years of De-funding ISIS, many of the 'Refugees-From-Syria' went to the EU or got emergency treatment to entry in the USA sanctuary Cities programs... in that the FBI says ALL 50 States have many ISIS Refugees living in Sharia Zone Compounds & collecting welfare/Social Security Largesse among many other Disgraces the far radical letists heap upon sworn enemies-of-the-State Immigrants with a mission...


that's the unvarnished truth for those that can -handle-the-truth...the times-they-are-a-changing !
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posted on Apr, 17 2019 @ 04:13 PM
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a reply to: St Udio
Every single day, I see convoys of dozens, maybe s scores of huge truckloads of logistics support to Rojava crossing the border from Iraq. Heck,there was an mrap on a flatbed just this week



posted on Apr, 17 2019 @ 08:16 PM
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originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Tartuffe

aye in the short term humans have increased their longevity but at an expense, but look at the impact of such on the planet !

the loss of habitats, the pollution of our ecosystems, the detriment to the food chain
the depletion of ozone layer !

its a fact , capitalism will kill our species and our planet !
just so a handful of people can have power and wealth in the present!



The biggest polluter is China, which is a socialist country. Do you mean industrialization?


The only way to shut down China is to shut down US. The biggest polluter is US. Even American military don't know what to do with Radioactive waste and puts them underground. All those tech came from US. Sooo, who's polluting more?
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posted on Apr, 18 2019 @ 03:44 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Sorry If I was mistaken

" Trump made it a priority and was a driving force in destroying the caliphate"

One could easily conclude from that statement that trump was paramount to its destruction?




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posted on Apr, 18 2019 @ 06:23 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

I said earlier that violence breeds violence, the Soviets in Afghanistan probably also stirred resentment, I guess my main point is, what's the point of celebrating when it's greed fueled aggression that causes the need for these groups to be wiped out in the first place, it's just a stupid circle going around and around pointlessly




You do understand that much of the Middle East is still run by warlords, right? Add in extreme fundamentalist views now to the mix and you get ISIS, but what they are, have become is actually a mentality that has been around for over 2000 years and not going away anytime soon, and not something Russia or America created in the last 30 plus years.

They cut their teeth on violence and that is why they are so hard to fully defeat, fighting is their life, what they do, a norm for them. In Iraq they killed each other tenfold over what we did in the war. Groups would go into a village and kill all the men, cut their heads off and throw their bodies in the river. If a Sunni walked into a Shia area they are not coming out alive and vice versa. The only reason Saddam was successful in ruling was because of his brutal actions that they either feared or respected, but its what they expected.



I'm not sure of your angle, but I don't think bombing countries into obvlion as the US led invasions in the ME have done, have been a success, if anything it's probably made matters a lot worse, as I've been trying to say on this thread. Additionally, not sure of your sources, but it was lie after lie in order to get the consent for going into these countries, remember Bin Laden's heavily fortified underground bunkers? Didn't exist. Remember the alleged Iraqi supergun? Didn't exist, chemical weapons only existed because Western arms manufacturers sold them to them.

And just because we are usually blinded to the corporate violence here in the Western world, doesn't make it any better, the biggest arms dealers on the planet aren't ME warlords, nor when whichever news station you watch tells you that in the name of freedom or god, we're going to liberate whatever country from tyranny, it's bullsh*t, it's about cash and global control, not human life.

That's how it is



posted on Apr, 18 2019 @ 08:52 AM
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I guess most people don't think much about this is because there is plenty of anger and hate towards America because of the heinous acts we heap upon others. That has not gone away, and it will pop up again sooner rather than later. Kind of like a game of Whack-A-Mole.



posted on Apr, 18 2019 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: Zcustosmorum


I'm not sure of your angle, but I don't think bombing countries into obvlion as the US led invasions in the ME have done, have been a success, if anything it's probably made matters a lot worse, as I've been trying to say on this thread.


I can agree with that. ME being as I said, you are not going to change them anytime soon no matter what you do. Their own method is to kill off all the men and take over the women and children as in here is your new husband and dad. That was the goal of ISIS at the lowest level to basically kill a man and take his family and land for your own.,



Additionally, not sure of your sources, but it was lie after lie in order to get the consent for going into these countries, remember Bin Laden's heavily fortified underground bunkers? Didn't exist. Remember the alleged Iraqi supergun? Didn't exist, chemical weapons only existed because Western arms manufacturers sold them to them.


As far as chemicals go, the west didn't sell Iraq chemicals, but German companies helped build the factories in the 80s that ended up making it, so the desire to have them was still theirs and not so much the West pushing them to buy. Iraq also was pushing to make bio weapons too and showed on a number of occasions the willingness to use either chemical or bio weapons and not have them only as a deterrent. So we are talking many levels here of possible reasons for world concern without suggesting it was all because of the evil West.




And just because we are usually blinded to the corporate violence here in the Western world, doesn't make it any better, the biggest arms dealers on the planet aren't ME warlords, nor when whichever news station you watch tells you that in the name of freedom or god, we're going to liberate whatever country from tyranny, it's bullsh*t, it's about cash and global control, not human life.



I never suggested it was about freedom and God, just pointing out that the West didn't create warlords/ISIS/ISIL etc they been there since the beginning of time and will be there for a long time to come. War is what they do, with Russia, America, themselves doesn't matter to them.


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posted on Apr, 18 2019 @ 01:10 PM
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a reply to: Tartuffe

We can't celebrate because we still live among a lot of people who like to suddenly and violently attack people who say nice things about Trump.

Nice name. Tartuffe the wonder dog.
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posted on Apr, 18 2019 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: UKTruth

Sorry If I was mistaken

" Trump made it a priority and was a driving force in destroying the caliphate"

One could easily conclude from that statement that trump was paramount to its destruction?





Which is not the same as saying he single handedly did it. So whats your problem?



posted on Apr, 18 2019 @ 01:18 PM
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originally posted by: makemap

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Tartuffe

aye in the short term humans have increased their longevity but at an expense, but look at the impact of such on the planet !

the loss of habitats, the pollution of our ecosystems, the detriment to the food chain
the depletion of ozone layer !

its a fact , capitalism will kill our species and our planet !
just so a handful of people can have power and wealth in the present!



The biggest polluter is China, which is a socialist country. Do you mean industrialization?


The only way to shut down China is to shut down US. The biggest polluter is US. Even American military don't know what to do with Radioactive waste and puts them underground. All those tech came from US. Sooo, who's polluting more?


Still China. No matter how much drivel you spout that will not change. Go look at some images and videos of pollution in China and read some witness reports about health hazards... you know, actually learn something.

It doesnt matter where the damn technology came from! Do i have to point out the Chinese inventions that helped create the pollution? Theres inventions coming from everywhere. Its up to the human to use it properly.

Since the chinese invented gun powder, does that mean they are the "worst killers" since they are realonsible for every gun death?

Of course not. Your logic is certifiably Unsound.



posted on Apr, 18 2019 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: tabularosa
I guess most people don't think much about this is because there is plenty of anger and hate towards America because of the heinous acts we heap upon others. That has not gone away, and it will pop up again sooner rather than later. Kind of like a game of Whack-A-Mole.


Yeah, we are better off at this point to simply conquer the planet.



posted on Apr, 18 2019 @ 02:24 PM
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We can't celebrate because we still live among a lot of people who like to suddenly and violently attack people who say nice things about Trump.

Nice name. Tartuffe the wonder dog.


Thank you. It's a French word.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 01:58 AM
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a reply to: Tartuffe
Last I heard, years and years ago. They were all just moving around to different places, one favorite destination was Lybia. Because you see, some time ago some politicians, decided that they can play military commanders and free a whole nation from the big bad Qaddafi and his unified African currency or whatever.

And well they sucked at it so much that they got bitch slapped by these Islamists in some silly gun running deal they had and got there poeple killed and there product stolen. After which then they moved camp to Lybia seing as Quaddafi wasnt around to give them the boot, so they set up shop there and became businessmen and millionaires and are selling oil now. Anyways, quite sure it was just another mission accomplished or whatever.

Its why politicians should politicize, kiss some baby's on TV, do some scripted talks, and what not, and leave the military matter to those who know what the funk there doing. Not just trying to look good for the masses on the boob tube.

As for Syria...
What a waste of time, money and energy.

I am quite sure then in the next 50 to 100 years they will be back and build up there infrastructure to what it used to be. You know, we must go to war for peace. Quite an oxymoronic statement indeed.

But hey, whatever floats peoples boats. If they cant find a better way to spend billions and billions of dollars. Then you all got much much bigger issues, to worry about, and which will be coming down the line at some point besides militant islam.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:45 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: PsychoEmperor

Because Trump is President. It would make him look good, we can’t have that.


Plus we know the Democrats can't remember anything farther back than 2 years so they will not remember that Obama, out of the blue, pulled out of Iraq creating the vacuum for ISIS to take a firm hold, and did they. That hold created true atrocities not seen since medieval times...

Yeah! Obama!



People seem to forget the fact that Iraq refused to sign a status of forces agreement with us and made it very clear we were NOT wanted in the country any longer. I for one do NOT want our troops subjected to the whims of the Iraqi justice system if the # hit the fan.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 09:13 AM
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actually there were three separate stages of growth for the newly born pre-Caliphate

the Mujahadeen
the Al Qadia
the ISIS or IS


Make no mistake... Erdogan will create the end-times Empire with 10 or more Islamic States in the World joined together in a tight-knit social-economic-political-Ideological Bloc-of-Nations --- with a 10million person Army, millions of Martyr Brigades copied from the Iran Revolutionary Guard models...

and soon afterwards the Religious part of the 'Caliphate' will evolve quickly

the 7 year 'Peace Pact', the 3rd Temple or Holy Place must exist, both precede the restoration of The Caliphate




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