The plan to thwart Brexit - This makes so much sense - The Telegraph

This is how it’s going to go. Not long after the Easter recess, Theresa May will offer her minimally changed “deal” to Parliament yet again and, yet again, it will be defeated. In supposed desperation – but, in fact, in line with a strategy in which that result was fully anticipated – the Government will then offer Parliament a series of votes on a number of alternative proposals. These will be along the same lines as the indicative votes that famously got us nowhere. Only this time they will be for real, not just a bit of parliamentary whimsy and, crucially, they will include one that opts to stay in the customs union, which is what Labour now officially favours. That is the only option that will gain a majority, because Labour – on a whipped vote – will have to support it and the DUP probably will, too, because it alleviates (but does not eliminate) the Irish border problem

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Came across this online today and I cannot agree more with this entire article! THIS IS EXACTLY the plan... It is so clever yet so very simple with the eventual goal being the second referendum.

They are trying so desperately to stoke fear in England to hopefully change the vote if there is a second referendum (which they are pushing for). This whole charade has been a ploy to get GB to stay in the EU so they can continue with the "replacement" agenda, because if they leave, it would be much harder for them to flood England with invaders. This is all 100% planned (except the Brexit vote, IMHO). They want to scare anyone else form leaving in the future as well.

I say take a no-deal and be done with it. It will hurt less the sooner you accept that. It would be best for Ireland to jump on board with Engalnd and work with them and round up all their invaders and send them packing back where they came from.

All of this is an assualt by the politicians against the citizens of each country. The people are starting to see this and there are going to be streets of politicians hanging from light posts if the people finally wake up.

The plan is obvious...
Stall, stall, stall, stall....
Re-vote...
Stall, stall, stall, stall
Re-vote
You know, until the “little people” get the vote “right”...

I mean politicians are so honest, right?

If it were me I would be livid but im a simple Texan so doubt y’all care....nor should u

But y’all are getting hosed by a bunch of liberal elites who “know best” for the unwashed masses..

Socialists/Liberals/Leftists must control every aspect of life....
Don’t like a vote?
Bring in immigrants till the “wrong voters” are colossally outnumbered...

-Chris

I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is the outcome. It has becone blatantly obvious that the British parliament does not want to leave the EU

At this point the EU does not want an UK as a member who would be a desaster, an unwanted and unwanting part of the EU.

Right now we do not trust you anymore.

originally posted by: Christosterone
The plan is obvious...
Stall, stall, stall, stall....
Re-vote...
Stall, stall, stall, stall
Re-vote
You know, until the “little people” get the vote “right”...

I mean politicians are so honest, right?

If it were me I would be livid but im a simple Texan so doubt y’all care....nor should u

But y’all are getting hosed by a bunch of liberal elites who “know best” for the unwashed masses..

Socialists/Liberals/Leftists must control every aspect of life....
Don’t like a vote?
Bring in immigrants till the “wrong voters” are colossally outnumbered...

-Chris

Yeah, they are probably waiting for the demographics to shift enough (immigrants voting remain) or they find some way to manipulate the votes in their favor (ballot stuffing, etc). I wouldn't doubt that there have been a team working on ways to pull this off if there is another vote.

If there is another vote, I think there needs to be poll watchers who count all the people entering and voting and then compare the votes to the number reported for each location. With the vote being so close last time, I would think they are also working with media, google, FB, etc (all secretly of course) to find out where they stand and figure ways to manipulate. It sucks having to be cynical but when I/we weren't and I/we trusted people, well that's how we ended up where we are.

IDK how british taxes are collected but I think the "leavers" should with-hold tax payments until they follow through on their mandate - if everyone did this then I can't see how they could possibly prosecute everyone and they might actually see who holds the cards (actual tax payers, not people sucking the tit of the government).

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
At this point the EU does not want an UK as a member who would be a desaster, an unwanted and unwanting part of the EU.

Right now we do not trust you anymore.

Pot meet kettle.

Wow, the delusion runs strong in some people. Just look at the eastern EU countries and their policies on immigration. The only reason they stay in the EU is for economic and they hate Brussels as much as GB. The rise of "national sovereignty" is going to show Brussels that the people have had enough and they see what has been going on. The problem with those in power is that they seem to stay in their comfortable bubble and believe what the corporate media is telling them (the message they pay them to report, so it's ridiculous to believe it...). They don't seem to want to accept that there is a rising tide of dissent to the draconian laws from the bureaucrats in Brussels. In every forum I go to I see MUCH more complaining about EU laws than I hear about American, and the EU members are a much smaller % and this goes for STEM (science/tech/etc) related sites where politics is a very small portion. Even people who are mainly leftist are not happy and are almost ready to revolt if given a good opportunity. I've seen this for AT LEAST 10 years, so the pressure has been building and only getting worse with the immigration issues being stuffed down their throats.

a reply to: JPtruther
It depends on what the question is going to be.
I don't think a multiple choice referendum will work, so that leave us with either...
- Remain vs. Leave
- Remain vs. parliaments deal
- Leave vs. parliaments deal

...and I got a horrible feeling it will be the middle one, which will keep us tied into the EU somehow, whichever way we vote.

What they going to do if Leave wins again?
Or what about if Remain wins by a smaller margin than Leave did back in 2016?

Wouldn't it be great if the EU gets so fed up with us, they kick us out.

originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: JPtruther
It depends on what the question is going to be.
I don't think a multiple choice referendum will work, so that leave us with either...
- Remain vs. Leave
- Remain vs. parliaments deal
- Leave vs. parliaments deal

...and I got a horrible feeling it will be the middle one, which will keep us tied into the EU somehow, whichever way we vote.

I go along with that ...... Its never going to be simple or straight forward.

What they going to do if Leave wins again?

Their superior and patronising attitude doesnt allow them to believe that

stupid would vote stupid again

originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
They are trying so desperately to stoke fear in England to hopefully change the vote if there is a second referendum (which they are pushing for). This whole charade has been a ploy to get GB to stay in the EU so they can continue with the "replacement" agenda, because if they leave, it would be much harder for them to flood England with invaders. This is all 100% planned (except the Brexit vote, IMHO). They want to scare anyone else form leaving in the future as well.

I say take a no-deal and be done with it. It will hurt less the sooner you accept that. It would be best for Ireland to jump on board with Engalnd and work with them and round up all their invaders and send them packing back where they came from.

All of this is an assualt by the politicians against the citizens of each country. The people are starting to see this and there are going to be streets of politicians hanging from light posts if the people finally wake up.

The fear is strong with this one.

Yes, parliament has made a right pigs ear out of Brexit (as predicted by many), yes if we don't leave we should all unite and march on parliament to show our discontent at the will of the people being ignored, despite their promise it would be upheld and we should let them know we have no confidence in them to lead Iead us anymore.

But this isn't a plan by the EU to flood us with migrants. By all means get riled up, despite voting remain I'm getting peeved at the way they have mishandled the whole thing but direct your ire in the right direction, join together with other peeved off people on both sides of the Referendum and do something about it, otherwise you're gonna go off half cocked pursuing your own agenda and chasing bogeymen.

The fear coming from the Brexiteers now is palpabable. I really hope this clusterphuq is over soon, I'm sick of it.

Sick of being labelled a traitor on here for being a remainer.

Sick of this issue wasting so much of our parliament hours when there is real issues they need to work on.

Sick of Farage finding platforms.

Sick of hearing from Brexoteers whose MP is a Remainer and isn't listening to their constituents when I live in a Remain County who have since gone Tory and our MP (despite not voting in the Referendum because it was too confusing and did a political u-turn after she voted in a way that hurt her family farm in the county) is a Brexiteer and keeps ignoring the will of her county (needless to say it's a case of Hair today, gone tomorrow).

Sick of seeing it on the news.

Almost as sick of it being discussed on here as I am Trump.

Sick of seeing members I used to respect come out with ludicrous things (in the vein of Remainers being traitors).

Sick of hearing about how 52% of the people voted for Brexit when only 36% of the UK did, the people who didn't vote don't just disappear so you can tout this as a factual figure. In the grand scheme of things it was a marginal victory and the dissatisfaction would be the same in Brexiteers if the vote count was swapped.

Sick of people dodging the Irish issue.

Sick of writing like a certain vocal Brexiteers member (whose posts I ignore because of the extra effort needed to navigate the paragraph breaks

in the middle of sentences)...

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
At this point the EU does not want an UK as a member who would be a desaster, an unwanted and unwanting part of the EU.

Right now we do not trust you anymore.

Is this actually what people are saying? I wouldn't be surprised, I'm thoroughly embarrassed by the people who are meant to Represent us from the moment Dodgy Dave called the Referendum to try and stomp down a Tory Civil War and it blew up im his smug face.

They shouldn't have been allowed to stay in power to steer Brexit.

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
They are trying so desperately to stoke fear in England to hopefully change the vote if there is a second referendum (which they are pushing for). This whole charade has been a ploy to get GB to stay in the EU so they can continue with the "replacement" agenda, because if they leave, it would be much harder for them to flood England with invaders. This is all 100% planned (except the Brexit vote, IMHO). They want to scare anyone else form leaving in the future as well.

I say take a no-deal and be done with it. It will hurt less the sooner you accept that. It would be best for Ireland to jump on board with Engalnd and work with them and round up all their invaders and send them packing back where they came from.

All of this is an assualt by the politicians against the citizens of each country. The people are starting to see this and there are going to be streets of politicians hanging from light posts if the people finally wake up.

The fear is strong with this one.

Yes, parliament has made a right pigs ear out of Brexit (as predicted by many), yes if we don't leave we should all unite and march on parliament to show our discontent at the will of the people being ignored, despite their promise it would be upheld and we should let them know we have no confidence in them to lead Iead us anymore.

But this isn't a plan by the EU to flood us with migrants. By all means get riled up, despite voting remain I'm getting peeved at the way they have mishandled the whole thing but direct your ire in the right direction, join together with other peeved off people on both sides of the Referendum and do something about it, otherwise you're gonna go off half cocked pursuing your own agenda and chasing bogeymen.

The fear coming from the Brexiteers now is palpabable. I really hope this clusterphuq is over soon, I'm sick of it.

Sick of being labelled a traitor on here for being a remainer.

Sick of this issue wasting so much of our parliament hours when there is real issues they need to work on.

Sick of Farage finding platforms.

Sick of hearing from Brexoteers whose MP is a Remainer and isn't listening to their constituents when I live in a Remain County who have since gone Tory and our MP (despite not voting in the Referendum because it was too confusing and did a political u-turn after she voted in a way that hurt her family farm in the county) is a Brexiteer and keeps ignoring the will of her county (needless to say it's a case of Hair today, gone tomorrow).

Sick of seeing it on the news.

Almost as sick of it being discussed on here as I am Trump.

Sick of seeing members I used to respect come out with ludicrous things (in the vein of Remainers being traitors).

Sick of hearing about how 52% of the people voted for Brexit when only 36% of the UK did, the people who didn't vote don't just disappear so you can tout this as a factual figure. In the grand scheme of things it was a marginal victory and the dissatisfaction would be the same in Brexiteers if the vote count was swapped.

Sick of people dodging the Irish issue.

Sick of writing like a certain vocal Brexiteers member (whose posts I ignore because of the extra effort needed to navigate the paragraph breaks

in the middle of sentences)...

wow 10 x sick!

go see locum and request ssri's or an increase in the meds if you are already partaking.

seriously dj, it's just getting started and you're flagging in the mind?

i'm leaving gaps between sentences for you, hope it helps.

parliament already revealed it's hand, it is now for the people of these shores to

show theirs and if it comes down to mr farage being the only one who has the balls

to counter this fubar, then so be it.

this will not end any time soon. long haul my fellow member, long haul.

f.

a reply to: fakedirt

As a resident of the UK who has never been able to afford a holiday, let alone a trip abroad and thus couldn't afford to leave then UK if the mishandling of this situation continues post-Brexit, I have no choice but to be in this for the long haul. I already struggle to get by, any negative impact on my income (which includes tax hikes, price rises and all that lovely stuff) is going to send me and my family into poverty. I'm sure from the way most Brexiteers on here talk they don't face such hardship. I'm a very hard working guy but there are reasons, that I don't want to go into again, that I can't go out and generate income.

I'm basically sitting, waiting for the financial bullet that will cripple me...

a reply to: ManFromEurope

At this point the EU does not want an UK as a member

That is the best news i have heard in a long time.

Good, let The EU throe us out and then we get to leave, which is what we have being aiming to do for nearly the last 3 years.

Have you got a date when we will be thrown out?

originally posted by: JPtruther

This is how it’s going to go. Not long after the Easter recess, Theresa May will offer her minimally changed “deal” to Parliament yet again and, yet again, it will be defeated. In supposed desperation – but, in fact, in line with a strategy in which that result was fully anticipated – the Government will then offer Parliament a series of votes on a number of alternative proposals. These will be along the same lines as the indicative votes that famously got us nowhere. Only this time they will be for real, not just a bit of parliamentary whimsy and, crucially, they will include one that opts to stay in the customs union, which is what Labour now officially favours. That is the only option that will gain a majority, because Labour – on a whipped vote – will have to support it and the DUP probably will, too, because it alleviates (but does not eliminate) the Irish border problem

TELEGRAPH

Came across this online today and I cannot agree more with this entire article! THIS IS EXACTLY the plan... It is so clever yet so very simple with the eventual goal being the second referendum.

Where's the logic in that? If the plan all along was to have a bill passed in parliament that retained some sort of customs union, there is no need for a second referendum that might reverse Brexit. Your statement makes no sense at all.
Just like 90% of the suggestions the mottley crew of Remainers constantly make in the House of Commons.

As for the Telegraph conspiracy theory, I just heard a government minister say they were now pursuing exactly this same plan on BBCTV, so there's nothing revealing about this piece. It's not even a clever strategy. Just the last gasp of a tired government run by mediocre men and women who could not even work their way out of a paper bag.

Let me clarify it again for you, though I was told I was wrong.
When Cameron f### off May took over since then ALL the plans and negotiations have been CONSERVATIVE biased. The Conservatives alone have completely controlled the Brexit plans.
Now with dj experience this Conservative led government has proven with it's auterity program that it's NOT good for the British people. So do you actually think their Brexit plan was going to be good.
Now come down to the trying to pass stages. If their plan was not good for the people do you honestly think the opposition parties would vote for it. NO, yet you all throw the blame on the Labour party. Oh it's their fault we haven't left.
Right from the start, 2016, it should have been an all party group deciding what we wanted and what we didn't want. But no Mrs May kept in in tory hands till a month or so ago when she asked the labour for their input. And still you cty Labour has stabbed us in the back.
Now think on the big frightener, the Irish Backstop. What a load of BS. Do you honestly think that any European country, who wants to import goods into the UK is going to ship their goods all the way to Southern Ireland, transport them up country to Northern Ireland to avoid import duty, which would be considerably less than the transport costs.

originally posted by: djz3ro
a reply to: fakedirt

As a resident of the UK who has never been able to afford a holiday, let alone a trip abroad and thus couldn't afford to leave then UK if the mishandling of this situation continues post-Brexit, I have no choice but to be in this for the long haul. I already struggle to get by, any negative impact on my income (which includes tax hikes, price rises and all that lovely stuff) is going to send me and my family into poverty. I'm sure from the way most Brexiteers on here talk they don't face such hardship. I'm a very hard working guy but there are reasons, that I don't want to go into again, that I can't go out and generate income.

I'm basically sitting, waiting for the financial bullet that will cripple me...

dj, I starred you because I felt sincerity and honest concern in your posts.

we are all in this for the long haul and don't forget I always appreciate your posts.

the way this union has implemented austerity and an attrition exercise upon the

weak and vulnerable, (I assist on a regular basis these persons as and when) sickened

my heart to the power of Pi.

the quicker the peoples of these shores clue up and put parliament in the dock, the

better the opportunity to permanently enshrine in law an enhanced rights of protection.

all those found to have profited from misery, well, let's leave that for the audits.

f.

What happens if these slimeballs get a second referendum and people choose leave again?
We keep going untill they get the answer they want.

there has been so much said over the past eternity that this snip has gone on for BUT 1 important point to add, the Attorney General has stated that the question being asked if a second referendum was the choice taken can not be the same as the first, so already there is a barrier to be asked about leaving, this may ensure Brexit does take place and a second referendums question may only be about which particular brexit deal the public want.

So legally we CAN NOT be asked this question again, as we have already answered



Dont hold me to task though if they just make up new rules.


Has Farage announced he will be running for MEP yet? he will soon, he will be rubbing his hands in that MEP money a little longer, suprise suprise

originally posted by: fakedirt
the quicker the peoples of these shores clue up and put parliament in the dock, the

better the opportunity to permanently enshrine in law an enhanced rights of protection.

all those found to have profited from misery, well, let's leave that for the audits.

f.

I do agree that we need to hold parliament accountable for the incompetence they've shown throughout the Brexit process...