New species of ancient human unearthed in the Philippines

I have always been fascinated by early humans. This article suggests that they may have found an archaic hominid in Luzon in the Phillipines. The fascinating thing about this is that there was never a land bridge which raises questions about how they got there. It is also said to be small, like Homo Floriensis in Indonesia and may have used stone tools. Dating suggests between 50,000 and 80,000 years ago. It seems Asia was rich with human diversity during the last ice age.

New species of ancient human unearthed in the Philippines
By Lizzie WadeApr. 10, 2019 , 1:00 PM
A strange new species may have joined the human family. Human fossils found in a cave on Luzon, the largest island in the Philippines, include tiny molars suggesting their owners were small; curved finger and toe bones hint that they climbed trees. Homo luzonensis, as the species has been christened, lived some 50,000 to 80,000 years ago, when the world hosted multiple archaic humans, including Neanderthals and Denisovans, and when H. sapiens may have been making its first forays into Southeast Asia.

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a reply to: harold223

We really do know so little.

SnF for an interesting find!

One of the more out there, yet still interesting theories Ive come across states that way back in prehistory, different alien species controlled the various land masses of earth on which to do thier various human hybrid experiments.

I did say it was out there lol!

From all this new information that's come out in the last ten years it seems as if 100,000 years ago was like something out of a fantasy novel. All these different types of human like creatures running around. The question is we're these groups isolated to the point of no contact with the others. We know in the case of Neanderthals and Denisovans there was contact and interbreeding but what about the others. Maybe our fascination with these kinds of stories with different groups of intelligent beings is some kind of a shared history.

a reply to: harold223

I was reading about this yesterday. They say it's to soon to catalog it as new species. Not enough bones were found to verify and confirm.

originally posted by: Somekindofwizard
From all this new information that's come out in the last ten years it seems as if 100,000 years ago was like something out of a fantasy novel. All these different types of human like creatures running around. The question is we're these groups isolated to the point of no contact with the others. We know in the case of Neanderthals and Denisovans there was contact and interbreeding but what about the others. Maybe our fascination with these kinds of stories with different groups of intelligent beings is some kind of a shared history.

I have always wondered about this. If you look at the folklore of cultures from all across the globe there are stories of little people and giants and all other kinds of strange variations of humanoid type creates. The result of human imagination? Or folk memory? Facinating stuff.

No pictures. Not even in the article.

:yawn:

a reply to: harold223

The power of copulating monkeys!

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
No pictures. Not even in the article.

There was a picture of someone's ex-wife in the article.

a reply to: harold223

Isn't it strange they can piece 7 bones together and come up with a species of man,yet the elongated skulls and other anomolic kinds with complete skeletons and flesh and hair still intact,they have no idea,or worthless scientists and archeologist's,they only know what they are paid for worthless,ones that pursue truth are ostracized and called a fool and made sport of

originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: harold223

I was reading about this yesterday. They say it's to soon to catalog it as new species. Not enough bones were found to verify and confirm.

Thanks for that, I was about to start researching exactly what they did find.

a reply to: harold223

Good find.

This shows Evolution tells an incomplete story and is really an ad hoc theory. Any theory that can be retrofitted to accommodate every discovery, is just nonsense in part.

I think you had all of these different primitive hominid's and then modern man just abruptly appeared on the scene and dominated the planet.

So a group of these primitive hominid's were seriously upgraded by some advanced civilization. There's just no other explanation for the sudden appearance of modern man. Here's more:

The first human revolution and creative explosion

The earliest Homo sapiens probably had the cognitive capability to invent Sputnik, but they didn’t yet have the history of invention or a need for those things.

The Neanderthals…were complex beings and talented users of the landscape they lived in: a far cry, indeed, from the brutish image with which generations of cartoonists have endowed them. But they left no evidence of the creative, innovative spark that is so conspicuous a characteristic of our own kind. […].Cro-Magnons…there’s no doubt that they were us. Physically they were indistinguishable from living Homo sapiens; and, in its richness and complexity, the surviving material evidence of their lives indicates unequivocally that they were our intellectual equals…The first modern people arrived in Europe equipped with all of the cognitive skills that we possess today…[with] the tendency toward innovation and cultural diversification that is so fundamental a characteristic of Homo sapiens–and so foreign to all earlier human species.

We know they [modern human beings] emerged in Africa first, and were confined there until perhaps 50,000 years ago when they moved from Africa and replaced other kinds of people elsewhere, like the Neanderthals from Europe… in probably just a few thousand years… I’m interested in trying to find out why that happened…[The best explanation] is that there was genetic or genomic change in Africa. It’s not a popular idea. To some people it almost seems like some kind of intellectual Nazism– like you’re suggesting people before 50,000 years ago were not human. I’m not. We know that over the course of evolution, there’s been a huge amount of genetic change. We start with people with brains one-third the size of ours, and then we have us. That’s not population increase, that’s genes.

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There was Primitive hominid's that made stone tools and remained isolated from each other for the most part for years, and then, we appeared.

Humans that have the same drive to explore and imagination that we do began to dominate the planet.

There's no explanation for this sudden appearance. Of course there will be those who try to ad hoc their way out of this conundrum, but they can't.

Yes, evolution is bogus. Too may holes in it for it to fly. All these early human types had sex with each other. Must have been good times. But it caused rapid diversity that evolution cannot account for.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
Yes, evolution is bogus. Too may holes in it for it to fly. All these early human types had sex with each other. Must have been good times. But it caused rapid diversity that evolution cannot account for.

That is literally evolution in progress.

originally posted by: punkinworks10

That is literally evolution in progress.

They found molars and some finger/toe bones. How does that suffice to identify a new species? It's rash science. They assume evolution did it, and try to fit every observation into that narrative. Even when samples are insufficient. It shows how much they have to grasp at straws to try to keep the dead-end theory alive.

They found molars and some finger/toe bones. How does that suffice to identify a new species? It's rash science. They assume evolution did it, and try to fit every observation into that narrative. Even when samples are insufficient. It shows how much they have to grasp at straws to try to keep the dead-end theory alive.

They assumed evolution did it? What would have done it? 9 feet tall Aliens from outer Space? Got any proof of that?

originally posted by: Ligyron

They assumed evolution did it? What would have done it? 9 feet tall Aliens from outer Space? Got any proof of that?

Articles like the one in the OP offer very little empirical observations (Science), it is mostly speculation and scientists jumping to conclusions. They already named this a new species despite having such sparse fragments of its anatomy... it is also important to remember that these scientists have to make it appear as though their work is important, because they need continual grant money to keep a job. So with that alone you know objectivity is compromised. We have to discern on our own, and not just blindly believe these people who are trying to push the evolutionary narrative.

the assumption that evolution did it is a much less intelligent argument than God/higher life forms did it. Evolution is a material-based theory on the origin of the diversity of life that assumes the culmination and diversification of life was due to random chance. Given the complexity and interdependence of biological organisms, this is impossible. God/higher life forms being responsible makes more sense because we see design all throughout biology, and the complex biochemical mechanisms exhibited in all lifeforms is impossible to have been formed by random chance.

Does a couple finger and feet fragments and 5 teeth allow us to determine a new species???? Seriously, think for your self. Do not think of these scientists as demi-gods who can think better than you. They jump to the same rash conclusions with all the other supposed "missing links" and "new" species in the homo genus. Every single one of them. Look for yourself and you'll see how incomplete the fossil remains are of the supposed missing links.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: punkinworks10

That is literally evolution in progress.

They found molars and some finger/toe bones. How does that suffice to identify a new species? It's rash science. They assume evolution did it, and try to fit every observation into that narrative. Even when samples are insufficient. It shows how much they have to grasp at straws to try to keep the dead-end theory alive.

What are you even talking about?
I was referencing only the member's reply, and I quote again,
"All these early human types had sex with each other. Must have been good times. But it caused rapid diversity that evolution cannot account for.".
The rapid diversity he speaks of is actually not there, there is actually quite a reduction in overall human diversity as we move through time.
But their statement illustrates the progression of evolution, but then uses it to deny that very same evolutionary progression.

As to the veracity of the find representing a new species, it very likely does.

Humans in our lineage have straight finger bones, these guys had long curved finger bones.
The dental stuff is intriuging, dentition is an accurate bench mark by which we can be classified.
Part of my ancestry hails from northern Luzon, and I have three rooted molars,😁.
Several respected anthropologists have postulated the existance of a small bodied relative in SE Asia, and that the pygmies are not a product of island living.
Dr Lee Berger, he is heading the work at "Rising Star Cave" in South Africa, en.m.wikipedia.org...
while on vacation in Palau, discovered what he believed to be remains of Pygmies.
Another anthropologist wrote of finds with small bodied remains in Viet Nam and South China, and that it seemed that some of the traits observed in these small bodied people had made their way into the modern humans of E/SE Asia.
The human shrub grows some more.

a reply to: punkinworks10

But the variability in morphology even among modern humans across the earth encompasses much anatomical diversity. Look at the variability among these human skulls:



So to assume by finger bones and molars that you have found a new species is a rash conclusion, considering the vast differences among human skeletal anatomy exhibited today.