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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: dug88
Obamacare penalties for smokers
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Personally if we go to a nationalized health sytem, I think people who smoke, are overweight and are non compliant with their meds should have to pay higher co-pays.
The additional costs associated with obesity will come to between $850-950 billion PER YEAR.
Considering that the annual costs of the proposed healthcare reform bills are $60 billion-$160 billion/year, it seems that the US must somehow deal with obesity or it will end up bankrupting our country.
I think that we need to get very serious about this problem and it would require a carrot and stick approach. Something like, obese people pay slightly higher taxes while those who are at weight get a rebate. Or instead of useing BMI we could use % body fat, so that fit people who are technically overweight but are very healthy wouldn't be penalized.
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Easy to say that you don't mind paying extra for me, the proof in the penalties of those who live with socialized medicine say otherwise.
originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: dug88
ObamaCare would be fine if it were tweaked to make it more affordable, and with lower deductibles/OOP. Lower-middle incjome people LOVE IT, and I don't blame them. $150 @ month for a $500 deductible is sweet!
But as soon as you get into the middle-income range and above, the same plan costs $600 @ month, with a $7,200 deductible.
Making it work the same for a $75k income person as it does a $30k income person, would cost the country an extra $150-$200 Billion a year, but that's a far cry from the $3 Trillion @ year that Bernie Sander's plan would need.
originally posted by: olaru12
Why shouldn't my family and I enjoy the same sort of health care the US politicians and other federal workers have? All paid for by the US taxpayers. Why do they get preferential treatment?
I have asked this many times and it just gets ignored.
Civil service
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A civil servant or public servant is a person employed in the public sector on behalf of a government department or agency. A civil servant or public servant's first priority is to represent the interests of citizens.
originally posted by: pexx421
What we have now is the capitalist dream. Which is to take all the surplus capital from the workers leaving them with just enough money for bare subsistence. And this is how our medical system works. For the poor, who have no surplus, they decide what healthcare you get and then they bill the taxpayers exhorbitant rates for it. For the working poor, who can’t get benefits and can’t get insurance, they want all your money for the rest of your life, and will take it if you have one serious illness or injury. And for the wealthy, who the system serves, well they get whatever care they want. And this is a pretty correct extrapolation to our whole society as well. Regardless, single payer is a necessity, as we as a society can no longer afford the burden of healthcare and all the hands in the pot, mostly the profit portion as the actual cost of care is pretty low. But we also need to have private insurance options ON TOP of the public option, so people don’t freak out about their rights being taken away.
originally posted by: carewemust
RE: www.opm.gov...
The above chart shows what Federal Employees pay for their health insurance premiums.
originally posted by: neutronflux
How is it necessity. I would say populations have flourished with basically no healthcare for thousands of years.
originally posted by: Dwoodward85
Would you prefer to get healthcare no matter your standing and the size of your bank account or would you rather people pay extreme costs for small illness?
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: dug88
I dunno...walking into a hospital or doctor's office and walking out without dropping hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of dollars feels pretty good. It really gives a nice sense of freedom knowing becoming ill or hurting myself won't completely and utterly # me financially.
So you have no problem paying more for me, a fat smoker who drinks too much.
You'll just say, "Enjoy! Live your life, I'll take care of you!"
I'll just be able to live as I want, with no responsibility because I'll know that you and everyone else will take care of me.
You won't dictate what I eat, how much I eat, what I drink, how much I drink, or even if I smoke?
originally posted by: Fools
Weird, how did my grand daughter ever get born? Her mother had no insurance and a lousy job and somehow she hasn't been charged one cent. In your scenario that is just outright impossible - and yet it happened!
originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
originally posted by: carewemust
RE: www.opm.gov...
The above chart shows what Federal Employees pay for their health insurance premiums.
So, not only do I have to pay MORE than federal employees for their healthcare, I also get to subsidize their healthcare premiums.......
nice!!!!!
originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
originally posted by: carewemust
RE: www.opm.gov...
The above chart shows what Federal Employees pay for their health insurance premiums.
So, not only do I have to pay MORE than federal employees for their healthcare, I also get to subsidize their healthcare premiums.......
nice!!!!!
originally posted by: Aazadan
originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
originally posted by: carewemust
RE: www.opm.gov...
The above chart shows what Federal Employees pay for their health insurance premiums.
So, not only do I have to pay MORE than federal employees for their healthcare, I also get to subsidize their healthcare premiums.......
nice!!!!!
You pay more? That's a surprise. That chart says a single person is paying $726.22 per month in premiums. That's $8714 per year. Nearly $9000 per year for health care is not reasonable. Especially from positions that are paying maybe $45k per year. 1/6 of your pre tax TC should not be going to health insurance.