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Historical and Scientific Evidence for the Global Flood

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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 09:39 AM
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Due to the secular takeover of the school system in the Western world, the global flood has been discarded into the category of mythology. Despite this, there is overwhelming historical evidence that there was a global flood around approximately 2300 B.C.

Mostly every major ancient civilization makes mention of the global flood that covered the entire world.





One may argue that it was simply the spread of myth, but the fact that these accounts also exist in the Americas indicate that the entire world was aware of this global event. Here are some specific examples:







called “Llocllay Pachacuti” by the Quechua, meaning “universal flood.”








So if there actually was a global flood, we should have worldwide evidence supporting such an event. We do (Thanks to the ATS user edmc2 for making me aware of this). They are called erratics, or in other words, super large boulders that are inexplicably in the middle of nowhere. The conventional explanation for these is that glaciers during the ice age moved them, yet the supposed ice age barely reached Europe and the northern tip of the United States.





So what is the explanation for these super large boulders in the middle of nowhere all throughout the earth? If we listen to the recorded history of our ancestors, we would know it was due to the global flood:







and mostly everywhere else on the planet. Most people have seen out of place super large boulders somewhere at some point in their life. They are everywhere. And there is no better explanation than a global flood. Can't imagine how water can move boulders? Here's an example of water's effect on large rocks



(at 15 seconds)



The most consistent argument against the global flood is that there is supposedly not enough water to have flooded the whole earth. As always, science is catching up to the profound truths present in the Bible. A recent study in 2014 (link) found massive reservoirs of water deep beneath the earth's crust. This reservoir is holding enough water to fill the volume of the earth's oceans 3x over.






One researcher was quoted saying:

"We should be grateful for this deep reservoir... If it wasn't there, it would be on the surface of the Earth, and mountain tops would be the only land poking out."

This is exactly what was said to have happened to cause the global flood. Not only rain from the sky, but also the reservoirs of the deep were opened and water gushed out onto the surface of the earth:





A global flood would also explain the universal phenomenon of aquatic life being found on mountaintops:







The evidence matches perfectly with a global flood. Don't let the conditioning of the secular agenda prevent you from accepting this truth. It is straight-forward and obvious. Proof that the secular education system does not want you to know true history is the fact that you likely never even heard that Noah's Ark was found. Seriously. Noah's Ark was found in the mountains of Ararat in Turkey, as was stated in Genesis 8:4 as its final resting place, and is also immediately below the mountain of Al Judi, the final resting place of the Ark according to the Quran:




It even has the exact length of 515 ft described in the Bible (300 Egyptian cubits). It has a pointed bow and rounded stern as you would expect with a boat. The ribbed perimeter shown in the picture above was tested in a lab and confirmed to be petrified wood




Aluminum and Titanium rivets were also found embedded in the wood timbers:




There were also giant ship anchors found nearby the ark:




They even found the tomb of Noah:




Dating the flood is also possible thanks to ample clues in the Biblical writing:




The Hebrew date of 2,304 BC matches closely with the Chinese global flood date:




We can also estimate the date of the global flood as told in the Epic of Gilgamesh. In this Mesopotamian account of the global flood, Gilgamesh was said to have slain the celestial bull


(terra cotta image estimated from between 2,250 - 1,900BC)

The celestial bull is a clear reference to the constellation Taurus. slaying the celestial bull is an allusion to the end of the age of Taurus, which occurred around 2,300BC, which matches the Hebrew account.



The Peruvian global flood account was also recorded by the Incan Historian Fernando de Montesinos to have occurred around 340 years prior to the conclusion of the second sun in 1,957 BC, which is 2,297 BC according to the Gregorian Calendar source. Again, this is very close to the Hebrew, Mesopotamian and Chinese date for the global flood.

The historical evidence for a global flood is abundant. Giant boulders in the middle of nowhere, fossils of aquatic organisms found on mountaintops, and vast reservoirs of water underneath the earth show that the global flood is also supported scientifically.

Here are some more flood accounts for further reading:

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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 09:48 AM
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a reply to: cooperton

I always found the anchors very telling.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 09:52 AM
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A global flood would have killed every animal on land. It would have killed every tree. There are trees alive today that are thousands of years older than your proposed timeline of 2300 years ago. They alone prove that this is an impossibility.

Most ocean life needs salt water to survive. A global flood would have diluted that water enough to kill most ocean life.

Where would all of that water come from?

Where did it all go?

Stop getting your science news from creationists websites.

You can’t say that this is supported by the scientific community, when it is obviously not. Feel free to post sources that are supported by scientific data instead of biblical sources.
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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 10:04 AM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: cooperton

A global flood would have killed every animal on land. It would have killed every tree. There are trees alive today that are thousands of years older than your proposed timeline of 2300 years ago.


Never said it was 2300 years ago. It was 2,300BC, which is 4,319 years ago.


Where would all of that water come from?


It is clear you didn't read the post carefully. Put down NPC magazine and focus on the evidence. this study (CLICK HERE) found reservoirs of water underneath the earth's surface holding 3x more water than all the oceans combined.



Where did it all go?


Back underground where it stayed until researchers found it in 2014.



Most ocean life needs salt water to survive. A global flood would have diluted that water enough to kill most ocean life.


The reservoirs of water beneath the earth could easily have a similar salt concentration to the ocean.



You can’t say that this is supported by the scientific community, when it is obviously not. Feel free to post sources that are supported by scientific data instead of biblical sources.


Until you have a better explanation for marine fossils on mountains, and boulders in deserts, I'm going to believe the unanimous accounts of our ancestors that say there was a global flood.
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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 10:09 AM
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I sticking with civilization on Pangaea and Pangaea breaking apart abruptly , This would explain the appearance of a global flood - Tower of Babel - Scattered ruins - The fact everyone knew how to build in the same manner Ect ........ It just makes sense .



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: Gargoyle91
a reply to: cooperton

I sticking with civilization on Pangaea and Pangaea breaking apart abruptly , This would explain the appearance of a global flood - Tower of Babel - Scattered ruins - The fact everyone knew how to build in the same manner Ect ........ It just makes sense .


Just like in the days of Peleg.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 10:14 AM
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very well done!

Graham Hancock has a lot of recorded deluge evidence in his book Magicians of the Gods.


a reply to: cooperton



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 10:16 AM
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It is certainly plausible with the amount of water found not only on the surface of the Earth but below it as well.

My thread

A reservoir of water three times the volume of all the oceans has been discovered deep beneath the Earth’s surface.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 10:36 AM
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The part about Noah and the ark is absolutely ridiculous. I'd need to see a hell of a lot more proof to believe that one. I didn't even see a source on those claims.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 10:45 AM
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Well done!

However, keep in mind that the pre-flood world was probably less mountainous than presently, and so, easier to cover with water. Also, if you are dating the Deluge by the Masoretic text, be aware that it drops a hundred years from the ages of the patriarchs between Noah and Abraham. The Septuagint (LXX) gives us a more remote date for the Deluge, providing enough time for populations in increase to reasonable levels, and thus cutting off a common argument of the atheists against the truth of the Bible.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 10:49 AM
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originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: cooperton





Most ocean life needs salt water to survive. A global flood would have diluted that water enough to kill most ocean life.


The reservoirs of water beneath the earth could easily have a similar salt concentration to the ocean.


“Could easily...” doesn’t sound as if it’s very factual or based in fact as you claim your world wide flood scenario is based upon.

Not only that, but if the deep earth reservoirs did have a similar salinity as the oceans, then nothing on land would have survived. All land flora needs a specific chemical composition in the water to survive. Fresh water is described as water that has 1% of the salinity of the oceans. If the oceans covered the entire world, nearly all sources of fresh water would be contaminated to the point where everything would die. The soil would take generations of human life spans to recover before anything would grow again and what are you going to grow when all seeds have been depleted because there had been nothing to get seeds from for the last 100 years? So no crops to feed people, yes any life to feed other animals that we eat, all sources of fresh water our bodies to require are gone... how did anything at all survive after this alleged flood?



You can’t say that this is supported by the scientific community, when it is obviously not. Feel free to post sources that are supported by scientific data instead of biblical sources.


Until you have a better explanation for marine fossils on mountains, and boulders in deserts, I'm going to believe the unanimous accounts of our ancestors that say there was a global flood.


1. The accounts aren’t unanimous. Even the various accounts you believe support a global flood don’t support it. The time frames don’t line up anywhere near the way you try to make it appear. There were yes Aztecs 4300 years ago. There were no Inca, no Maya. The ancestors of the Aztec were still in the American Southwest. To claim that their religious texts support your biblical literalism is fascinating and nowhere within the bounds of reality.

As for your magic boulders, you’ve not so curiously excluded any actual geological data regarding them. Something tells me that when I go to look farther into your specific examples, there will be a rational explanation that doesn’t require paranormal entities.

And then fossilized marine life in the Himalayas has been explained to you repeatedly. Refusing to acknowledge evidence because it contradicts your confirmation biases isn’t indicative of an open minded and curious person. The geologic processes that created the Himalayas is well understood. The reason there are marine fossils in the Himalayas is likewise well understood. When a mountain top used to be sea bed, you’re going to find marine fossils. You haven’t provided any evidence to falsify that, you only insist that it’s a mystery that can only be explained through biblical literalism.

It’s all pretty sad really when you’re trying to pretend you’ve actually got evidence supporting your beliefs when it’s very obvious that you’re cherry picking things that fit in and excluding anything that doesn’t.

In other words, business as usual for you.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 10:53 AM
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There is evidence of a big flooding event in the historic sayings of many civilizations around the world. It appears that most imply it is probably between four and eight thousand years. It probably did not kill everything on earth, after all the Hoppi went up into some high caves in the mountains with some people with long necks. Noah and his crew may have been the ones that survived the event in the Middle east but I highly doubt if it destroyed everything world wide. They are stating history as they saw it, I would say it was a major worldwide event but there were places where things did survive.

You have to look at things from the perspective of the observer. What caused that major event? Who knows, it was probably some huge natural disaster. Maybe someone knew that it was coming and was linked to Noah. The people the Hopi indians had help them knew it was coming, they talked them into going to the caves with them. What were the caves? Maybe they were miners. We really do not know for sure. How did these people know something was going to happen? Maybe there was some sort of technology, it seems that history before that event is really scarce, maybe the old civilizations were all near the shoreline and it got washed out to sea. The Hopi event may have been because of a big dam breaking way up the river, possibly carving the grand canyon much deeper. But why did that big dam break? Was there a major eruption or earthquake that shook the earth?

On top of that, are we even sure that Noah originated in the Mediteranian area, could it be they floated and blew across the ocean from somewhere else and wound up on top of some place they did not understand was far from their homeland? If there would have been a great tidal wave, everything might have been unrecognizable. Heck, maybe they were far from home. We will never know, perspective of the event is in the eye of the beholder.
Another thing, just because there are multiple stories of major floods, it does not mean all of these events were all at the same time. It could have been a couple of different events that happened, effecting different sides of the globe at different times. Like a huge asteroid in one ocean and then a thousand years later another event on the other ocean on the other side of the world..
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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 11:06 AM
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originally posted by: peter vlar

1. The accounts aren’t unanimous. Even the various accounts you believe support a global flood don’t support it. The time frames don’t line up anywhere near the way you try to make it appear. There were yes Aztecs 4300 years ago. There were no Inca, no Maya. The ancestors of the Aztec were still in the American Southwest. To claim that their religious texts support your biblical literalism is fascinating and nowhere within the bounds of reality.

As for your magic boulders, you’ve not so curiously excluded any actual geological data regarding them. Something tells me that when I go to look farther into your specific examples, there will be a rational explanation that doesn’t require paranormal entities.

And then fossilized marine life in the Himalayas has been explained to you repeatedly. Refusing to acknowledge evidence because it contradicts your confirmation biases isn’t indicative of an open minded and curious person. The geologic processes that created the Himalayas is well understood. The reason there are marine fossils in the Himalayas is likewise well understood. When a mountain top used to be sea bed, you’re going to find marine fossils. You haven’t provided any evidence to falsify that, you only insist that it’s a mystery that can only be explained through biblical literalism.

It’s all pretty sad really when you’re trying to pretend you’ve actually got evidence supporting your beliefs when it’s very obvious that you’re cherry picking things that fit in and excluding anything that doesn’t.

In other words, business as usual for you.


Blows my mind how you say almost nothing with that many words. The only point you seemed to make was that at one point the Himalayan mountains were undernearth the ocean. And yes they were - during the global flood.

And your other point about Incans not being around 4,300 years ago... why would they need to be? Obviously they descended from some line of Native Americans that would have passed down this story. What reason do we have to doubt the Quito Manuscript?? Seriously... Why should we not believe it? Because you say we shouldn't? Be objective. Stop with your fantasies. Stop denying history.

You never debunk anything, you just write condescending remarks and pat your self on the back. Notice how you gave no sources at all. None. You never do. You just talk about how you have soooo many sources, that you never post.
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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 11:10 AM
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Great opening post! But I still think you are off by around 8,ooo years.

My studies tell me that circa 10,000 BCE something hit the planet so hard it tilted it, making original north now magnetic north. It hit the northern ice caps and melted them, which melted away the impact crater too.

The coastlines rose over 400 feet all around the world. Then, like now, most people lived around the coastline. The survivors recorded the stories. Thus we have Atlantis and the Ark and all the rest of those legends.

Yes there were survivors, lots of them, which is why we know all this. It was not just one family that remade the whole human race. Just like it's not just two Ark crickets that remade all the planets current crickets.

And there is no way the water covered all the Earth. We know that just by the fact that the water is not here any more. The Earth is not a bathtub. Where did the water all go? If it all went under ground, does this mean we did not have an ocean level before the flood?

In the end, the "Gods" took credit for it, but I think it was a natural event that the Gods could not stop. They left the planet and went into orbit. After all was over they settled the Earth again.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 11:31 AM
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This is terrible. You analyis is amateur.

The reason there are marine fossils in some mountain areas is because mountains are made out of colliding geological plates and this is the sea bed being folded up. The boulders then may roll down to different places along the courses of the glaciers. Some glaciers were hugely wide and thousands of miles long.

Also, the boulders are from the ice ages. They were moved by glaciers that move them slowly. The rocks get ground into smooth boulder shapes by all the debris in the ice as they are churned along. Glaciers are moving ice with rock and debris in them too.

I don't think there has ever been a world wide flood. The asteroid would have seriously messed huge areas up though, but still no universal flood.

I don't believe Adam was the first man. I think he is metaphorical of the first King of one of the first civilizations in the Iraq area (old Ur and Sumer/Mesopotamia), the oldest king they could remember. I believe the stories were taken out of Ur by Abraham about Adam and Noah. They are memories from myths from the Mesopotamian/Sumer civilizations that Abraham came from. The names got changed by separation of the cultures, independent growth apart and later so apart they were different peoples - even enemies, but Noah and Gilgamesh are the same cultural memory. Homer's myths remember real people and events too. They just get bigged up as time goes by to make them more magical and they are obviously a source of great pride and identity to the people whose ancestorts they were. You know what humans are like. Same with Romulus and Remus of Rome. They were I am sure based on real people, but the origins assume a supernatural myth like status. Adam would have been a very early, civilization and culture defining king. The reason these myths prevail is because the people they are remembering did not have the ability to record as they were only just beginning as civilizations. It is like a baby remembers hardly anything about being eighteen months old because the brain is not formed enough to adequately record and preserve the events. The myths get all colourful and remembered as songs, so must be very exaggerated in order to be remembered.

Noah/Gilgamesh came from a Middle Eastern deluge I believe. Abraham took the story about it with him, but it is the same as Gilgamesh. It was probanbly the Euphrates that burst its bank and killed a lot of people and cattle. Remember there is even a psalm in the Bible "Rivers of Babylon" (rivers - hint hint).


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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 11:39 AM
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It takes about 10'000 years for groundwater to permeate rocks and then come back up again.

If your timescale was correct, that means that most of the landmass of Earth should be between 5 to 10'000 feet underwater at present. Is this the case?



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 11:48 AM
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I find it just a bit too hard to swallow the notion that a flood covered the entire earth. There is definitely evidence of catastrophic floods that would boggle the modern imagination. And maybe a few of them happened in relatively similar times. No one knows what really happens when a giant lake that is dammed by ice breaks. No one really knows what happens when a very large asteroid crashes into the ocean. No one really knows what happens when half a good sized island slides into the ocean causing a mega tsunami.

No one knows, but all guesses are that it would suck for anyone or anything in the resulting floods path.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 12:00 PM
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Also I am thinking why is the raised land nealy all in one big area of the northern hemisphere? It was all originally one lump it appears. Guess why I think it is. Shall I tell you? Okay then!

I think that is where the Moon split off from.

I think very early on when the earth was still forming that a collision happened that ripped into a whole area of the earth in the northern hemisphere. I think all the rough raised area or the plates is just a huge cooled down mass of former volcanic activity that happened from a collision that gouged a big gash. The earth was still very hot then and all the water was steam. I think water has always been there. Where we are relative to the Sun meant that the cooling gases separated in to elements and combinations that made steam (H20 Gas). Eventually, just as Genesis says, the water cooled enough with only the gouged out cooling crusts raised above it (the initial one plate that split up as it cooled into separate plates). The water then as we have it today keeps rising up into the sky and falls back down again because the temperature variation is in the correct perimeters to cause this constant activity, just a lucky positioning not to close and not to far away from the Sun.

Why else would there be a rough bit that is raised much higher than the other 70%? These plates, that were once one plate, would obviously separate as they are resting on hot lava beneath still and as they cooled became brittle and broke up because they were stressed by the spherical shape of the earth. They are just the crust of an explosive incident where a huge chunk broke off as the Moon.

Eventually these plates would break up into smaller and smaller pieces (given long enough) until they are no longer big plates, just millions and millions of separated islands that undergo erosion until they are sediment. Though water never has covered the earth ever before, perhaps one day it is destined to, to freeze as ice over the whole globe when the Sun cools and loses its heat as an older star. The cosmos forces every swirling gas body into a smooth sphere eventually. Our earth has a 30% of its surface that has been torn up and raised on one half of it and will slowly be rounded off again.

Nothing stands still. Jupiter is so huge it is still forming and condensing as a planet. Given long enough its solid size will be much smaller than it is now. Remember it is a GAS GIANT.

Perhaps there will not even be time for all this to happen before the Sun and the planets reach their end as a solar system? It never stops. Matter is constantly changing, never still.


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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 12:02 PM
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Proof that the secular education system does not want you to know true history is the fact that you likely never even heard that Noah's Ark was found.


NO

its been heard by both people who visits alternative sites like ATS and others who watch the Discovery Channel, watch and read National Geographic material.

Those claims of the Ark being found in Turkey are very well known about.

Some real research done into this goes into great detail, you saying its sort of unheard of is deceitful

The size is debatable due to biblical interpretations.

Doesn't the Bible describe the ark when it gives its dimensions and descriptions as being rectangle shape?


All the flood stories that many before you have tried to put together to say they talk of one great flood are localized flooding disasters,

The scientific evidence shows this when the flood stories of all ancient civilizations are studied.

How the language used and what it would have meant back then as apposed what a great or a world flood means today when we are a global society today as opposed to separate civilizations with each world being their local area which some covered quite a bit while others not so much.

Its like interpreting cave paintings using today's ideas of space aliens and claiming the ancients were painting space aliens and not something more that would account for what traditions were those 1000s of years ago which if known explain what looks strange to us was just the ancients version of dress up and party time once a month or something there about's.





The historical evidence for a global flood is abundant.



Of coarse it is

depending on how its interpreted one can claim what ever they please.

many have, many have written books, many have been shown to either purposely or ignorantly misinterpret things of the past to make a buck.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: peter vlar

1. The accounts aren’t unanimous. Even the various accounts you believe support a global flood don’t support it. The time frames don’t line up anywhere near the way you try to make it appear. There were yes Aztecs 4300 years ago. There were no Inca, no Maya. The ancestors of the Aztec were still in the American Southwest. To claim that their religious texts support your biblical literalism is fascinating and nowhere within the bounds of reality.

As for your magic boulders, you’ve not so curiously excluded any actual geological data regarding them. Something tells me that when I go to look farther into your specific examples, there will be a rational explanation that doesn’t require paranormal entities.

And then fossilized marine life in the Himalayas has been explained to you repeatedly. Refusing to acknowledge evidence because it contradicts your confirmation biases isn’t indicative of an open minded and curious person. The geologic processes that created the Himalayas is well understood. The reason there are marine fossils in the Himalayas is likewise well understood. When a mountain top used to be sea bed, you’re going to find marine fossils. You haven’t provided any evidence to falsify that, you only insist that it’s a mystery that can only be explained through biblical literalism.

It’s all pretty sad really when you’re trying to pretend you’ve actually got evidence supporting your beliefs when it’s very obvious that you’re cherry picking things that fit in and excluding anything that doesn’t.

In other words, business as usual for you.


Blows my mind how you say almost nothing with that many words. The only point you seemed to make was that at one point the Himalayan mountains were undernearth the ocean. And yes they were - during the global flood.

And your other point about Incans not being around 4,300 years ago... why would they need to be? Obviously they descended from some line of Native Americans that would have passed down this story. What reason do we have to doubt the Quito Manuscript?? Seriously... Why should we not believe it? Because you say we shouldn't? Be objective. Stop with your fantasies. Stop denying history.

You never debunk anything, you just write condescending remarks and pat your self on the back. Notice how you gave no sources at all. None. You never do. You just talk about how you have soooo many sources, that you never post.



The level of hypocrisy you have reached is incredibly fascinating to watch unfold. It’s also pretty cute how
You resort directly to an ad hominem attack, claim I only made a point about the Himalayas and completely ignored what I said about the catastrophic annihilation of all land flora and fauna as salt water fills fresh water aquifers,
Kills all River, stream, pond, lake... any organism that lives in fresh water and wipes out the very thing on land and poisons the soil for generations.

How did Noah’s family and any fauna they saved pre-flood survive with no food or fresh water? I’m waiting for you to explain that to the class instead of ignoring the glaring hole in your literal interpretation of scripture.

Oh... back to the Himalayas... if there was was enough water to encompass the entire globe 5 miles above current sea levels, what do you think would happen to terrestrial land with that much weight and pressure crushing down on it? I’d love to get your take and see the calculations you based it on.

Thanks champ



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