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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: Tartuffe
Yes, I know. You asked me an out of context question which I answered. Self regulation has failed.
You did not answer my question - why do you blame Molly Russell's parents for her death?
But as to contributing to her suicidal motivations, the parents are more likely to blame than Instagram.
Self regulation has not failed.
we just need to get the tories out , they are the ones harbouring pedophiles ,....
originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: SerenTheUniverse
Agreed. Also, there can be no valid reason not to regulate sites aimed at vulnerable teens and children aimed solely at encouraging them to self harm (with very graphic pictures by the way) , suicide or promoting anorexia, etc.
originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: oldcarpy
I wouldn't bother with him mate, he contradicts himself.
On one hand he insists he is against all censorship but supports censorship of child porn, so by default he accepts the principle of govt censorship in some circumstances.
Then he states that he objects to any attempt by govt denying him the choice to watch torture and genocide.
So, in his warped reality child porn is okay to be censored by govt but they shouldnt censor videos of real torture and genocide.
He's already accepted the principle of govt censorship by agreeing that child porn is censored. This makes his claims of 'I oppose ALL censorship' absolutely ridiculous.
The OP agrees that some govt censorship is appropriate, just so long as it fits with his with his preferences.
I can't imagine what sick #er wants the right to watch torture and genocide though...
originally posted by: sapien82
we just need to get the tories out , they are the ones harbouring pedophiles
originally posted by: Tartuffe
originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Tartuffe
But you contend that it is the corporations who rule us. So which corporation, for example, has anything near that sort of power over you or I?
If, and as, our government has been bought off and taken control of by corporate money,,,,,,,your answer is simply this. Corporate money IS the power that rules us through their governmental leverage.
I will try another approach. If someone hits you over the head with a shovel, is it the shovel that has hit you over the head?
Or better yet, if someone opens fire on a class room of children, is it the guns fault or the one who wields the gun.??
So is it the government that rules us or those who rule the government and are not subject to the whims of voters.
So, in the end, it is the government who rules you.
So is it the government that rules us or those who rule the government and are not subject to the whims of voters.
originally posted by: Tartuffe
a reply to: UpIsNowDown
I mean I get it. But I see it just a little differently.
Yes, we all can agree that live-streaming a murder is wrong, not only because murder is wrong, but because the exhibition of it is also wrong. What I do not agree with is the solution: giving the government power over what we view on the internet.
I've been following the battle against ISIS for years now, and have watched perhaps too many of their warcrimes perpetrated against innocents. Many of these were acts of torture and genocide. They film it all, put it on the internet, and I've seen some of it. It's horrific. The imagery haunts my dreams. I've seen evil. I just as easily could have avoided it. What I do not want is the government taking that choice away.
originally posted by: UpIsNowDown
originally posted by: Tartuffe
a reply to: UpIsNowDown
I mean I get it. But I see it just a little differently.
Yes, we all can agree that live-streaming a murder is wrong, not only because murder is wrong, but because the exhibition of it is also wrong. What I do not agree with is the solution: giving the government power over what we view on the internet.
I've been following the battle against ISIS for years now, and have watched perhaps too many of their warcrimes perpetrated against innocents. Many of these were acts of torture and genocide. They film it all, put it on the internet, and I've seen some of it. It's horrific. The imagery haunts my dreams. I've seen evil. I just as easily could have avoided it. What I do not want is the government taking that choice away.
I to viewed the beheading footage based on the talk on ATS that they were fake, i viewed them via bestgo##.com, but the footage from the moment it is concieved is illegal, it has no place on the internet, it is crime in progress, on a platform farcebook or youtube whose own T+Cs forbid it, so 1 it is illegal and 2 it is against these websites own T+Cs all I asked for is they pour their ever bulging profit into improving there systems.
originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe
Lmao, I haven't demanded anything from the government, I just don't care if they ban me from viewing real rapes and murders, same as child porn is banned.
You have already stated you support your government censoring some things, like child porn, so by default you support the principle of govt censorship, but you don't want to be denied the choice to watch torture and genocide. Those were tour words, not mine.
I don't care if torture and genocide videos are banned, I dont watch such things, but I see it no less revolting than child porn, which you have already stated you agree as a form of gov't censorship.
By default you must support the principle of some govt censorship or you would not support the censoring of child porn.
Why is child porn okay to be censored in your opinion but you should be free to watch torture and genocide videos?
How about if the people being tortured and murdered were children, would you object to the govt considering denial of your choice?
Ah, but if the children being tortured were naked then you would support the censorship by government...but only then.
You have a very strange outlook, but different cultures is all, perhaps you should spend more time worrying about your own nation than mine.