The UK State Goes Full On Authoritarian

originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

you surely support censorship of child porn though? Therefore you agree with the principle of censorship in certain circumstances.

So you need censors to teach you what you should and should not look at?

That's troubling, mate. I guess in your case it's probably best things are censored.

originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

say that you do not wish for the right to view such things online then, you've had plenty of opportunities to do so.
Either you do support some censorship or you don't, so, real life rapes and murders, censor like child porn or no?

There is no such right. I don't want such a right. I do not support any censorship.

Do you agree with this fundamental human right?

Article 19.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

I asked first, answer my question and I'll answer yours, that is how a mature debate works.

Do you agree with this fundamental human right?

Article 19.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

a reply to: Tartuffe

I don't understand how you can say that with a straight face. Why is our government so bad? Is that answer because of the money that buys it off? The money that controls how the legislators vote and who gets elected? All the BIG money that is spent to insure that the government works in a fashion that allows all the money in our society to flow to the top 1%, That one percent that own and control the corporations of the world. I thought that to be grammar school stuff.

The government should be a tool of the citizens, all the citizens to have a say in how things are being run but now it is not. It is almost entirely under the control of corporate donations and direction.

Who has the real power in this world. Sure the US has power, and sure so does Russia and England and all. But the power of those nations wanes compared to the power of international corporations. Us supposing that any of these governments is more of a threat to our freedoms and indeed our very minds is buying into the very scapegoat that the corporations want us to focus on.

Tart, I look at your avatar and it speaks to me volumes about what is going on in this world. Puppets, and masters. Manipulation and strings being pulled from beyond visibility. Take that avatar and step it up a notch, those strings are not being pulled by governments but by those who control them. And them ain't us.

a reply to: Tartuffe

Why do you think I personally need censorship? There are people in the world who do though.
Same reason governments censor and make it a crime to view child porn. I'm arguing the same applies to videos of women being violently raped. Do you disagree with that,? You agree with censoring child porn,so what's the difference?
Basically you have shown that you agree with the principle of govt censorship in certain circumstances so your claims of being against all censorship is blatantly inaccurate.

a reply to: Tartuffe

Yes.
So what?

Are you suggesting real rape and murder videos are examples of free expression?

originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: SailorJerry

Why sick? I support censorship of things like that, do you not? Simple same question I asked the other member, at least he is trying to make a reasoned argument lol

i dont believe in the state trying to mandate morality, apparently you need it.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Tartuffe

I don't understand how you can say that with a straight face. Why is our government so bad? Is that answer because of the money that buys it off? The money that controls how the legislators vote and who gets elected? All the BIG money that is spent to insure that the government works in a fashion that allows all the money in our society to flow to the top 1%, That one percent that own and control the corporations of the world. I thought that to be grammar school stuff.

The government should be a tool of the citizens, all the citizens to have a say in how things are being run but now it is not. It is almost entirely under the control of corporate donations and direction.

Who has the real power in this world. Sure the US has power, and sure so does Russia and England and all. But the power of those nations wanes compared to the power of international corporations. Us supposing that any of these governments is more of a threat to our freedoms and indeed our very minds is buying into the very scapegoat that the corporations want us to focus on.

Tart, I look at your avatar and it speaks to me volumes about what is going on in this world. Puppets, and masters. Manipulation and strings being pulled from beyond visibility. Take that avatar and step it up a notch, those strings are not being pulled by governments but by those who control them. And them ain't us.

It's worse than grammar school stuff. It's elementary school stuff.

The corporations are us. They are owned and operated by private citizens like your or I. Private citizens are governed by those with the power to kill or enslave us all. And you would side with the government, not the governed?

Lobbying is an important aspect of politics. But you have to ask yourself who is accepting these donations, who is profiting off these donations, and using their power to alter our systems to their whim.

originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

Yes.
So what?

Are you suggesting real rape and murder videos are examples of free expression?

Some don't need the government to teach them right from wrong, especially given the atrocities and oppressions of governments past, present and future. If you need laws to tell you what you can or can not watch, you're part of the problem

a reply to: SailorJerry

So do you agree with current laws and government censorship of child porn? I do.
If you agree with child porn being censored then you do indeed agree with the state mandated morality as you put it, in certain circumstances. That destroys any claims to be wholly against the principle of censorship.
Try again matelot lol

a reply to: Tartuffe

You didn't answer the question, again.
Are you suggesting that viewing real rape and murder videos online is covered by free expression as a human right, yes or no?
I would assert it is not, and frankly rather sick if you think it is.

originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

You didn't answer the question, again.
Are you suggesting that viewing real rape and murder videos online is covered by free expression as a human right, yes or no?
I would assert it is not, and frankly rather sick if you think it is.

Do you agree with this fundamental human right?

Article 19.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

a reply to: Tartuffe

I answered yes above then asked so what? Then asked if you were suggesting that real rape and murder videos were examples of free expression under human rights.
Do you even read my replies? Lmfao

originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: SailorJerry

So do you agree with current laws and government censorship of child porn? I do.
If you agree with child porn being censored then you do indeed agree with the state mandated morality as you put it, in certain circumstances. That destroys any claims to be wholly against the principle of censorship.
Try again matelot lol

It doesnt matter because making child porn is illegal soooooooooooo

a reply to: SailorJerry

Yes and a good example of government censorship through legislation.
See you do agree with the principle of censorship in certain circumstances...unless you think child porn should not be censored?

originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

I answered yes above then asked so what? Then asked if you were suggesting that real rape and murder videos were examples of free expression under human rights.
Do you even read my replies? Lmfao

Do you see the contradiction between your support for government censorship and curation of the internet and the phrase "to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers"?

a reply to: Tartuffe

Do you include videos of real rape and murder in that definition then?
I don't, see how easy it was for me to answer that question, what is your answer?

a reply to: Tartuffe

The corporations are us? That is what they want us to believe while they take control of the world. And yes they are owned by private citizens but not however like you and me. They are private citizens not just of this country to which you and I are mostly restricted to but rather citizens of the world. And that power to kill or enslave us all that you mention? Yeah, that's real alright and that power is in the hands of government. But that power is paid for by those corporations.

You ask me to ask myself who is profiting from those donations. Your answer I assume is the politicians, and I agree. But the real power that is profited by those donations goes to those who are donating because they are not donating, but rather BUYING those who have the power to alter our systems to their whim. Ant not their whim, but the whim of those who buy them.

a reply to: Tartuffe

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Do those 'rights' extend to murderers, rapists and #ing nonces?

Of course those who commit such acts are criminals.
Do you think viewing these people committing their crimes should be legal or desirable?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Tartuffe

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Do those 'rights' extend to murderers, rapists and #ing nonces?

Of course those who commit such acts are criminals.
Do you think viewing these people committing their crimes should be legal or desirable?

Well, yes, human rights are for humans, even the ones you don't like.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Tartuffe

The corporations are us? That is what they want us to believe while they take control of the world. And yes they are owned by private citizens but not however like you and me. They are private citizens not just of this country to which you and I are mostly restricted to but rather citizens of the world. And that power to kill or enslave us all that you mention? Yeah, that's real alright and that power is in the hands of government. But that power is paid for by those corporations.

You ask me to ask myself who is profiting from those donations. Your answer I assume is the politicians, and I agree. But the real power that is profited by those donations goes to those who are donating because they are not donating, but rather BUYING those who have the power to alter our systems to their whim. Ant not their whim, but the whim of those who buy them.

Which corporation controls you, for example?