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The UK State Goes Full On Authoritarian

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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: SerenTheUniverse

One, that's not what's being talked about here.

Two, that's already very illegal, has been for some decades now. Just how does a law of this nature make it more illegal than it already is??


Those who have been defending totalitarianism in this thread have consistently insinuated or explicitly expressed that I am defending the right to watch rape and murder videos. It's bad faith arguing at it's worst.




posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: seagull

Rape and murder is also illegal yet the member wishes for the right to view it under freedom of expression rights.
My comparison was pertinent to the discussion, unless you can argue differently?



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: SerenTheUniverse

No. Because to debate that is to give your argument more validity than it deserves.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: seagull

Rape and murder is also illegal yet the member wishes for the right to view it under freedom of expression rights.
My comparison was pertinent to the discussion, unless you can argue differently?


No one but someone in your imagination has expressed a wish for the right to view rape and murder. Not only are you lying to others, now you're lying to yourself.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:42 PM
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a reply to: Tartuffe

say that you do not wish for the right to view such things online then, you've had plenty of opportunities to do so.
Either you do support some censorship or you don't, so, real life rapes and murders, censor like child porn or no?



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:46 PM
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a reply to: Tartuffe

I'm asking you, do you disagree with censorship laws which prohibit video's of real rapes and murders if such law was proposed?
Simple yes or no will do.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:52 PM
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a reply to: seagull

so you have no argument then lol
You know full well my point is about censorship as a concept, it originally started when I said I don't care if it becomes illegal to view real rapes and murders, the member wishes for that right.
The member,and you then contradict yourselves by supporting censorship of child porn as I also support.

You can't have half censorship, either you support government intervention where appropriate or you don't.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 04:58 PM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

say that you do not wish for the right to view such things online then, you've had plenty of opportunities to do so.
Either you do support some censorship or you don't, so, real life rapes and murders, censor like child porn or no?


There is no such right. I don't want such a right. I do not support any censorship.

Do you agree with this fundamental human right?


Article 19.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: seagull

so you have no argument then lol
You know full well my point is about censorship as a concept, it originally started when I said I don't care if it becomes illegal to view real rapes and murders, the member wishes for that right.
The member,and you then contradict yourselves by supporting censorship of child porn as I also support.

You can't have half censorship, either you support government intervention where appropriate or you don't.


Quote me to where I said I wish for the right to view real rapes and murders. You cannot. Because not only do you not have an argument, you have to lie.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: Tartuffe

I stated that I have no problem with censorship of things like real rape or murder videos, you called me a totalitarian.
I asked multiple times if you disagree with censorship of such videos, you have refused to say yes or no.

I asked you if you support current laws censoring child porn, an example of accepted government censorship, again you refused to say yes or no.

I assert if you support the censorship of child porn, as I do, then you by default accept the principle of censorship by government in certain circumstances, which invalidates your insistence that rape/murder videos come under your beloved freedom of expression.

You either support situations where government censorship is acceptable, or you disagree with all censorship.
There is no halfway house regarding the principle of government censorship.

So, do you think rape and murder videos should be censored like child porn or not?
I have asked you multiple times but you refuse to answer a simple question?
edit on 9-4-2019 by SerenTheUniverse because: Stupid auto correct spelling lol

edit on 9-4-2019 by SerenTheUniverse because: Another stupid autocorrect lmao



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

say that you do not wish for the right to view such things online then, you've had plenty of opportunities to do so.
Either you do support some censorship or you don't, so, real life rapes and murders, censor like child porn or no?


There is no such right. I don't want such a right. I do not support any censorship.

Do you agree with this fundamental human right?


Article 19.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.



I asked first, answer my question and I'll answer yours, that is how a mature debate works.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:28 PM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

I stated that I have no problem with censorship of things like real rape or murder videos, you called me a totalitarian.
I asked multiple times if you disagree with censorship of such videos, you have refused to say yes or no.

I asked you if you support current laws censoring child porn, an example of accepted government censorship, again you refused to say yes or no.

I assert if you support the censorship of child porn, as I do, then you by default accept the principle of censorship by government in certain circumstances which invalidates your insistence that rape/murder videos come under your bell ed freedom of expression.

You either support situations where government censorship is acceptable, or you disagree with all censorship.
There is no halfway house regarding the principle of government censorship.

So, do you think rape and murder videos should be censored like child pork or not?
I have asked you multiple times but you refuse to answer a simple question?


You've lied to yourself and others that I am defending the right to view rape and murder videos in an attempt to defend the "online harms" white paper, which includes a great deal more than "rape and murder videos". You've used this emotional appeal and lie to deceive yourself and others even further.

I do not need censorship to tell me what I can, what I should, or what I should not look at. You do. You need the government to tell you what you can and cannot look at.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:34 PM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

say that you do not wish for the right to view such things online then, you've had plenty of opportunities to do so.
Either you do support some censorship or you don't, so, real life rapes and murders, censor like child porn or no?


There is no such right. I don't want such a right. I do not support any censorship.

Do you agree with this fundamental human right?


Article 19.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.



I asked first, answer my question and I'll answer yours, that is how a mature debate works.


"Mature debate". Laughable. You've avoided and misrepresented every single one of my arguments. Sorry, but you don't know what "mature debate" is.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:35 PM
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a reply to: Tartuffe

I have merely asked questions which you refuse to answer.
So again, yes or no, would you agree that real rape and murder videos could be censored by government as child porn is? I would be happy with such censorship, see how easy that was for me to type.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

I have merely asked questions which you refuse to answer.
So again, yes or no, would you agree that real rape and murder videos could be censored by government as child porn is? I would be happy with such censorship, see how easy that was for me to type.


I've answered your questions twice now, here and here. Now you change the question and avoid the answer.

You know, this sort of harassment will be censored by your government soon. You're tying the knots of your own noose.
edit on 9-4-2019 by Tartuffe because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: Tartuffe

So you disagree with censorship of real rape and murder videos, but agree with censorship of child porn, okay, see the contradiction there?
You support the principle of some government censorship by default.
There is no halfway house with the concept or principle of govt censorship, either you support it in some circumstances or you are against all censorship. You can't have it both ways lol



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:54 PM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

So you disagree with censorship of real rape and murder videos, but agree with censorship of child porn, okay, see the contradiction there?
You support the principle of some government censorship by default.
There is no halfway house with the concept or principle of govt censorship, either you support it in some circumstances or you are against all censorship. You can't have it both ways lol


Boy you are one sick puppy



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

So you disagree with censorship of real rape and murder videos, but agree with censorship of child porn, okay, see the contradiction there?
You support the principle of some government censorship by default.
There is no halfway house with the concept or principle of govt censorship, either you support it in some circumstances or you are against all censorship. You can't have it both ways lol


Wrong again.

I stated explicitly "I do not need censorship to tell me what I can, what I should, or what I should not look at. You do."

I also explicitly stated "I do not support any censorship."

The contradictions are yours.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:57 PM
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a reply to: Tartuffe

you surely support censorship of child porn though? Therefore you agree with the principle of censorship in certain circumstances.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:59 PM
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a reply to: SailorJerry

Why sick? I support censorship of things like that, do you not? Simple same question I asked the other member, at least he is trying to make a reasoned argument lol



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