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The UK State Goes Full On Authoritarian

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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: Tartuffe

I have heard that in America there is no online gambling.
Is that not protecting people in the US?

The UK has online gambling and I hope this is one of the things that is stopped.
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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 12:26 PM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

I don't want the right to watch real rape and murder videos though, and don't worry, It's only affecting my country, you will remain free to watch such content in your nation.
I don't need you to fight for my rights, and I imagine most Brits will agree.
Different cultures is all, criticise ours as much as you like but it is odd you seem so concerned when it in no way impacts on your life.


Have you heard of Britons such as JS Mill and John Milton? It doesn't sound like it. The modern conception of liberty and free speech was born in the UK.

Your advocacy for censorship is more in line with cultures such as Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Nazi Germany. It's so odd you want to emulate these cultures.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Tartuffe

I have heard that in America there is no online gambling.
Is that not protecting people in the US?

The UK has online gambling and I hope this is one of the things that is stopped.


That's true. It would be much better we were able to choose whether to gamble online or not.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: Tartuffe

In the UK there are topless models in newspapers.

You don't have that in the US.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Tartuffe

In the UK there are topless models in newspapers.

You don't have that in the US.


Yes, American newspapers have slightly more class.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: Tartuffe

Yeah the US government is protecting people..... from being classless.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

I don't want the right to watch real rape and murder videos though, and don't worry, It's only affecting my country, you will remain free to watch such content in your nation.
I don't need you to fight for my rights, and I imagine most Brits will agree.
Different cultures is all, criticise ours as much as you like but it is odd you seem so concerned when it in no way impacts on your life.


Have you heard of Britons such as JS Mill and John Milton? It doesn't sound like it. The modern conception of liberty and free speech was born in the UK.

Your advocacy for censorship is more in line with cultures such as Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Nazi Germany. It's so odd you want to emulate these cultures.

Yes of course, but my educational history of philosophy and ethics is not the topic of discussion.
If Mills was here now he wouldn't even understand the concept of uploading and sharing videos of real rape and murders, so I would argue that such images are not free expression.

You want the right to see such things and I don't. Not much more to discuss about that really as we are both unlikely to change our opinions. I am pleased you have the rights you wish for, I'm happy with rape and murder videos being censored in my country, perhaps you should be more concerned about your own nation...because none of this affects you in any way.
As I said earlier, different cultures, but bringing the Nazi card into the discussion is a bit silly, and a bit offensive to victims of the Nazis in my opinion to compare these two societies.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: Tartuffe

Oh and I'm curious, do you also wish for the right to view child porn?
Do you feel your rights are infringed because such images are censored by law?



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: icanteven
Who are these immortal traitors of GOD? Any names?

All contained within the Bible and the Book of Enoch.

Problem: The names are all aliases for something else. A fallen angel / watcher would never give their true name.
Example: take Shemyhaza. Joint leader of the 200 (197) fallen watchers, alongside Azazel.
In Hebrew: shem + ya'ah + aza means "Name of power".
Also there are no vowels in Hebrew so his alias becomes "Shymhz".

Who cares about the names anyway because they all have Stupid stamped on their foreheads.
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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 01:29 PM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

I don't want the right to watch real rape and murder videos though, and don't worry, It's only affecting my country, you will remain free to watch such content in your nation.
I don't need you to fight for my rights, and I imagine most Brits will agree.
Different cultures is all, criticise ours as much as you like but it is odd you seem so concerned when it in no way impacts on your life.


Have you heard of Britons such as JS Mill and John Milton? It doesn't sound like it. The modern conception of liberty and free speech was born in the UK.

Your advocacy for censorship is more in line with cultures such as Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Nazi Germany. It's so odd you want to emulate these cultures.

Yes of course, but my educational history of philosophy and ethics is not the topic of discussion.
If Mills was here now he wouldn't even understand the concept of uploading and sharing videos of real rape and murders, so I would argue that such images are not free expression.

You want the right to see such things and I don't. Not much more to discuss about that really as we are both unlikely to change our opinions. I am pleased you have the rights you wish for, I'm happy with rape and murder videos being censored in my country, perhaps you should be more concerned about your own nation...because none of this affects you in any way.
As I said earlier, different cultures, but bringing the Nazi card into the discussion is a bit silly, and a bit offensive to victims of the Nazis in my opinion to compare these two societies.


You don't want the right to free expression and advocate for totalitarian solutions to your problems. I don't. Free speech is a human right for a reason. I don't know what species you pretend the people in the UK are, but I would argue you're still human the last time I checked. And frankly I don't care that you'd try to get pissy because I'm defending the rights of your countrymen while you squander them.

You're wrong, again. Denying human rights effects everyone, not just me or not just Americans. Some are killed for saying the wrong thing, for believing something else, and for criticizing a leader etc. And you'd piss on that due to fear. It's utterly embarrassing.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: Tartuffe

Oh dear, you seem to be the one getting 'pissy', I've been perfectly polite, calm and reasoned.
I ask again, do you wish for the right to publish and view child porn as well as the right to view real rapes and murders?
Do you campaign against the child porn laws in your nation as freedom of expression?
A straight answer to that would be fantastic, thanks in advance

edit on 9-4-2019 by SerenTheUniverse because: Stupid auto correct spelling lol

edit on 9-4-2019 by SerenTheUniverse because: Another stupid autocorrect lmao



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 01:51 PM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

Oh dear, you seem to be the one getting 'pissy', I've been perfectly polite, calm and reasoned.
I ask again, do you wish for the right to publish and view child porn as well as the right to view real rapes and murders?
Do you campaign against the child porn laws in your nation as freedom of expression?
A straight answer to that would be fantastic, thanks in advance


Your silly attempts to insinuate I am defending rape videos, murder videos and child pornography suggests there is nothing polite or reasoned about you. Add on top of that your tendency towards totalitarianism and the denial of fundamental human rights and we have a full blown authoritarian in our midst. You're welcome in advance.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 01:59 PM
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a reply to: Tartuffe

I'm happy to address your assertions about me after you have answered my simple question.
I ask again do you wish for the right to publish and view child porn as well as real rapes and murders?
Do the laws prohibiting you from doing so currently infringe on your right to free expression?
Do you advocate against the censorship legislation which already exists in your nation?



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

I'm happy to address your assertions about me after you have answered my simple question.
I ask again do you wish for the right to publish and view child porn as well as real rapes and murders?
Do the laws prohibiting you from doing so currently infringe on your right to free expression?
Do you advocate against the censorship legislation which already exists in your nation?


I don't care what you address because I hold contempt for everything you say. In your defense of censorship and totalitarianism, you mention the state sanctioned censorship of rape, murder (and insinuate I am defending a right to view these materials) as a means of emotional appeal, but fail to mention and lie by omission about what else they are censoring. It's a clear case of bad faith on your part.


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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:16 PM
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a reply to: Mach2

You're just now noticing that??

We are to think only what those in authority want us to think. Nothing really new about that...though, supposedly, the internet was to be able to prevent that.

Apparently not.

Orwell was right, so was Huxley.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Mach2

You're just now noticing that??

We are to think only what those in authority want us to think. Nothing really new about that...though, supposedly, the internet was to be able to prevent that.

Apparently not.

Orwell was right, so was Huxley.


One of the so-called "online harms" is harassment of public figures. Soon they won't be able to criticize their own politicians. They're tying their own noose.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: Tartuffe

so again, do you wish for the right to view child porn? It is censored in your nation by law.
Do you support that censorship or not, using that same argument you pose about freedom of expression?



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: Tartuffe

Of course that'll be, or is, one of the rules.

So, be careful who you dare to criticize. Won't that be fun? Maybe next we can all start to inform upon our neighbors. Because minding our own damned business is so very boring.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:29 PM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Tartuffe

so again, do you wish for the right to view child porn? It is censored in your nation by law.
Do you support that censorship or not, using that same argument you pose about freedom of expression?


There is no such right. I'm not sure you even understand the concept of rights.

Again, your mental contortions and justifications for totalitarianism aren't worth my time. Your chains are self imposed, and you likely require them.
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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: SerenTheUniverse

One, that's not what's being talked about here.

Two, that's already very illegal, has been for some decades now. Just how does a law of this nature make it more illegal than it already is??



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