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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 01:17 PM
a reply to: burdman30ott6

This is factually true

If the public employees we pay good money to won't follow his orders, he has millions of Americans who would be more than willing to line up on the border (or just outside of it, to prevent certain scenarios/legal challenges by US courts) at his order who would follow his orders to the "T"

I count myself among those Americans

And just as Clinton signed an EO exempting Area 51 from environmental laws/regulations, he could sign a similar order exempting a hypothetical paramilitary force from certain other laws ensuring legal concerns wouldn't be an issue

Glad to see Miller calling the shots on this. He seems like a no-nonsense America-first patriot who is willing to do what it takes to accomplish the mission and completely shut down illegal immigration and asylum fraud. Removing the 10 million or so already here is another issue all together, but it is very achievable
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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:46 PM

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: icanteven

He is not "spoiling" for anything. Is Trump making illegal aliens come here by the thousands every damn day to enter our country illegally or attempt to defraud the asylum courts by claiming asylum for reasons other than fleeing State persecution/State violence? Of course not. He is telling them "Do not come!"

I thought "no means no" and all that? Why doesn't that apply to illegal aliens?

How do you know what he is "telling" them? I doubt they know very much of Trump. Maybe they've heard that they run the risk of being separated from their child, or maybe they haven't. It doesn't matter. What matters is what the U.S. does as a benevolent nation.

Have you ever stepped back and asked yourself how bad conditions must be in Honduras for migrants to make the trek to America? They are asking for asylum. Not considering them for asylum is breaking U.S. law. Using the threat of taking their children is an act of cruelty. I believe the U.S. is better than that, and I want to see our immigration resources being put to humanitarian use. An asylum hearing is intended to determine who is abusing the system and who is not.

So much about Trump's approach to border security is about punishment. Screaming children are being herded into cages. They will remember. They will wear scars, forever. They didn't ask to be here, yet we treat them as animals.

This topic frustrates me -- no, torments me -- thinking about how many children's lives have been affected. I understand that people want easy answers. It's a complex problem, though, which will take a multifaceted approach to solve.

posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 03:31 PM
a reply to: icanteven

I really do not see a complex problem here.
If they really were after asylum, they would have applied for it in the first country they cam to outside of their own that they are fleeing from. Therefore, they are not asylum seekers so no hearing should be necessary.

The children---- the only ones responsible for them being "in cages " as you put it are the adult(s) that they travelled with . But for that causal factor, they wouldn`t have been "in cages" (again, your phrase, not mine). Personal responsibilty is a fact , not a "maybe".

This really isn`t shades of gray but black and white facts with evidence to support it.

Our borders must be defended at any cost, just as our homes are.
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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 03:39 PM
a reply to: JBurns

His threat to close the border was a sign, a public message, to Mexico to get its # together on their Southern Border. If the border closed it would destroy Mexico and Trump knows that. They know that.

Also, stating that we are responsible for kids in cages is bs. Pulls at the heart strings but so do deaths by and the drain on the system these people have who are coming in illegally with cell phones, new clothes and a place to stay. They are treated better than a soldier returning home and it is the judes in place who are blocking it.

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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:11 PM
a reply to: matafuchs

Agreed, hey I support him 100% if he thinks warning is better than action right now than I am all for it. I trust in him to do what is right by our country

Also, stating that we are responsible for kids in cages is bs.

Agreed, especially since their much-vaunted photo was taken during Obama's tenure

Regardless, I couldn't give a crap less... look at all the American kids who are also in State care because their deadbeat criminal parents are jailed. If anything, I put 100% of the blame on the irresponsible parents for subjecting their kids to this automatic and very necessary response

Any time a parent gets arrested, they are going to be separated from their kids that is common sense. All the leftist talking points and BS knee jerkers in the World won't change that

Apparently they don't understand the concept of "stop illegal criminal alien entry at any cost"

Personally, I think Trump should consider using the millions of Americans who would gladly defend our border from illegal entry. There are provisions for calling up the unorganized militia and that is one legal, valid option. One way or the other, this *is* going to stop. And if the executive branch agencies keep showing themselves as cowardly, ineffectual or swayed by public opinion then someone will indeed step up and do the job the right way

posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:28 PM
a reply to: icanteven

We're not benevolent or malevolent - it depends on the threat we face. We can be a dove or a vicious predator, just look at how we handled the scum responsible for attacking us on 9/11

They are asking for asylum. Not considering them for asylum is breaking U.S. law

Asylum is only valid when fleeing STATE violence. Further, they pass up numerous countries making them ineligible out of the gate. Even attempting to apply under these false pretenses is illegal. Further, if they truly wanted asylum why aren't they going to Mexico or other countries they aren't fleeing from? The Mex. government isn't the Honduran government.

The enemies of freedom - such as socialist scum Maduro - is encouraging and funding this behavior to overwhelm the system along with his vanguard that is already among us. Even once Maduro finally catches one between the eyes, his ideological zealots will still be here among those folks you mentioned.

Screaming children are being herded into cages.

They aren't being herded into cages. I realize that is the phrase that polled best with the dem focus group, but they are the exact same facilities American kids are housed in when their garbage criminal parents break the law and they get separated too. We can't put kids in jail with the parents for obvious reasons.

They didn't ask to be here, yet we treat them as animals.

On this note.. point taken. However, what are we to do with them? Let them roam the streets on their own? Turn them over to someone who may or may not actually be a family member? This is no different than how the kids of US citizens are handled when their parents are incarcerated

Their parents shoulder 100% of the blame. They willingly bypass safe countries with the intent of 1) making illegal entry into the US or 2) committing asylum fraud and defrauding the United States to enter because either

A) They aren't fleeing GOVERNMENT persecution (the only reason allowed under our law)
B) They bypass safe countries

This is inexcusable

We have built something great for ourselves and we can't let everybody in. It is very simple. If their government isn't working for them, they need to change it like we did in the 1770's
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