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Topic started on 2-3-2005 @ 01:14 AM by tiddly54
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i am in the process of geting some links on, but does any one else know that antartica is actually getting colder? the trend of melting ice is
reversing, and the west antartic ice is getting thicker at the rate of 26.8 gigatons per year, and most of antactica experiaces a longer ice season
that 1979, being 21 days longer now
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reply posted on 3-3-2005 @ 06:00 PM by parrhesia
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I'm not aware of any sources for this, but did you get those links you mentioned?
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reply posted on 3-3-2005 @ 06:16 PM by WyrdeOne
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According to 2004 data, ice melt is increasing at a rapid pace. Where the hell are you getting your information tiddly? It has been increasing for
quite some time. The ice melt is reported at least, if it's actually getting colder a whole lot of scientists are lying...
The northeastern tip of antarctica has risen in temperature, in the last 50 years, between 3.6 and 7.2 degrees F. 1200 cubic miles worth of ice named
Larsen B slid into the ocean and will melt now, because of it. A similar process is happening on the western tip. If that shelf collapses and melts,
sea levels will rise an estimated 16 feet.
According to Quiang Fu from the University of Washington a cooling in the upper aptmosphere concealed from detection a large warming of the lower
aptmosphere.
According to reasonable estimates by a European team of researchers, we have another 15k years before the ice starts growing again. Until then it's
all melt...
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reply posted on 3-3-2005 @ 06:26 PM by Kosmo Yagkoto
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I have no idea what to believe now.....if you guys could present both sides then maybe I will be able to know the truth.
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reply posted on 3-3-2005 @ 06:27 PM by Umbrax
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In 2002 a 650 feet thick and 1,250 square mile ice shelf fell off of the Antartic cap. It sounds strange to me that would happen if things are getting
colder down there.
I am really interested in seeing those links tiddly54.
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reply posted on 3-3-2005 @ 07:20 PM by dgtempe
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It would be nice to get a link to the story, seeing that all i ever hear is of melting ice.
Please provide the link. Thank you
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reply posted on 3-3-2005 @ 08:38 PM by WyrdeOne
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I looked and looked, and found no evidence we're approaching an increase in ice levels, or a decrease in immediate temperatures. The upper
aptmosphere was getting cooler for a while, but the lower aptmosphere was heating up in greater measure. The result is the imbalance we're seeing
right now (and well into the future).
Once Larsen B slid into the ocean, several landlocked glaciers starting sliding rapidly towards the ocean. Who knows how much the sea levels will
rise when those and the Larsen B shelf melt completely. Perhaps an inch or three, not much in all likelyhood. Still, it is mentionable, and appears
to be a very serious warning of more melting action to come. I think we would be better off prepared than drowned. Then again, I'm silly like that.
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reply posted on 3-3-2005 @ 08:40 PM by dgtempe
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 My life jacket is on. Thanks for the update.
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reply posted on 3-3-2005 @ 09:03 PM by Desmond
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Space is getting close to Earth and we can expect a lot more water to drop from the skies as the temperature lowers around the globe.
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reply posted on 4-3-2005 @ 01:30 AM by E_T
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Originally posted by WyrdeOne
I looked and looked, and found no evidence we're approaching an increase in ice levels, or a decrease in immediate temperatures. The upper
aptmosphere was getting cooler for a while, but the lower aptmosphere was heating up in greater measure. The result is the imbalance we're seeing
right now (and well into the future).
Yep... and upper atmosphere cooling is connected to ozone depletion.
The first signs of ozone loss have now been observed in the Arctic this winter, and large scale losses are expected to occur if the cold
conditions persist. Overall temperatures in the ozone layer are the lowest for 50 years having been consistently low for the past two months.
Since late November large areas of polar stratospheric clouds (PSCs) - clouds in the ozone layer - have been present over the Arctic region at
altitudes around 20 kilometres. They are now the largest in the last 20 years, the period when the ozone-depleting compounds have been high. These
conditions could make ozone depletion very likely.
The chemical balance in the stratosphere is changed significantly by the presence of these clouds, altering the breakdown products from CFCs
(chlorofluorocarbons) so that rapid chemical ozone destruction can occur in the presence of sunlight. If the Arctic stratosphere remains cold during
February and March, large ozone loss is expected to take place as sunlight returns to northern latitudes. This could lead to increased levels of
ultraviolet radiation in inhabited areas in the northern part of Europe.
www.admin.cam.ac.uk...
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reply posted on 4-3-2005 @ 01:35 AM by djohnsto77
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The ice in parts of Antarctica is so thick that warming caused thousands of years ago with the end of the last ice age may just be beginning to affect
the bottoms of glaciers, causing them to flow faster. Recent surface temperature fluctuations may have little to do with the breakup of some ancient
glaciers.
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reply posted on 4-3-2005 @ 06:56 AM by mrsdudara
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Originally posted by tiddly54
i am in the process of geting some links on, but does any one else know that antartica is actually getting colder? the trend of melting ice is
reversing, and the west antartic ice is getting thicker at the rate of 26.8 gigatons per year, and most of antactica experiaces a longer ice season
that 1979, being 21 days longer now
It is getting colder as we speak because it is going into winter there. I have been watching the weather there for a couple of months now, and have
spoken to our local meteorologist. During their summer, most of Antarctica was experiencing 40 degree weather and rain. Not snow, rain. Our
meteorologist said that no that is not normal for Antarctica. In their summer it is still not supposed to get above freezing. Not to mention it is
the driest continent on earth and for it to have rain a couple times a week was more than odd.
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reply posted on 12-3-2005 @ 10:54 PM by tiddly54
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sorry about not getting the links i forgot and got lazy
the melting and rising temp and glaciers breaking off you speak off are on the peninsula, which only accounts for about 2 per cent off all antarticas
area. i will post the link on monday night, australian time
you need a member ship to go into the site, its like a journal or something that is also a magazine about science
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reply posted on 16-3-2005 @ 09:54 PM by parrhesia
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Originally posted by tiddly54
sorry about not getting the links i forgot and got lazy
the melting and rising temp and glaciers breaking off you speak off are on the peninsula, which only accounts for about 2 per cent off all antarticas
area. i will post the link on monday night, australian time
you need a member ship to go into the site, its like a journal or something that is also a magazine about science
It's now almost Thursday
Got any links? I'm really curious about this.
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reply posted on 17-3-2005 @ 04:17 PM by BluePostman
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You said you were too lazy, well then why aren't you posting the links now? Seems you're somewhat lazy right now. Where are the links?
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reply posted on 24-3-2005 @ 01:09 AM by PDTwitch
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Numerous journal articles state conclusively that Antartica, contrary to popular opinion and persistent media coverage is experiencing cooling and ice
thickening. Data shows a relatively small portion, arround 2% of the continent, is melting an calving off those large ice-bergs. This area is called
the Antartic Peninsula. I cannot provide you with the specific links tiddly is refering to(other than some of the journal sites which you have to pay
for), but I can give you some of the journal references. You are free to visit a library to research these journal references on your own. However, I
will provide you with a link for GISS data sets on average surface temperature. A couple notes on the data sets. These are the NASA compiled data
sets(the full global one is used frequently to support Global Warming) and I would suggest looking at the largest timeframes possible.
www.giss.nasa.gov...
www.giss.nasa.gov...
This is for the closest city to Antarctica with the most complete temperature record.
www.giss.nasa.gov...
A reporting station on Antarctica
2002, "Antarctic climate cooling and terrestrial ecosystem response,"
Nature 415: 517-20
2000, "Variability and trends in Anarctic surface temperatures from in situ and satellite infrared measurements," Journal of Climate 13: 1674-96.
2002, "Positive mass balance off the Ross Ice Streams, West Antarctica," Science 295: 476-80.
2002, "Interpretation of recent Southern Hemisphere climate change," Science 296: 895-99.
1999, "Climate and atmospheric history of the past 420,000 years from the Vostok ice core, Antarctica," Nature 399: 429-36.
1999, "Radiocarbon constraints on ice sheet advance and retreat in the Weddell Sea, Antarctica," Geology 27: 179-82.
2004, "Interpretation of recent Antarctic sea ice variability," Geophysical Research Letters 31: 10.1029/2003 GLO18732
2003, "On the secular trends in sea ice extent over the antarctic region based on OCEANSAT-1 MSMR observations," International Journal of Remote
Sensing 24: 2277-87.
2002, "Trends in the length of the southern Ocean sea-ice season, 1979-99," Annals of Glacialogy 34: 435-40.
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reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 06:09 AM by Anonymous ATS
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reply to post by PDTwitch
I can see the publication that you are quoting here: Michael Crichton's 'State of Fear', page 229!
All the references are genuine though.
Good book, but it is a novel!
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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 05:47 AM by Long Lance
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www.gsfc.nasa.gov...
necroposted....
someone might stumble upon this thread and appreciate the link above.
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