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Can Congress force Trump to hand over taxes ?

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posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:05 PM
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a reply to: toolgal462

You think fraud and money laundering through a casino is the same as a 5 year old pulling a girls pigtails?
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posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

When exactly was he found guilty in a court of law for those things? In the Mueller report?



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:07 PM
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Ok then let me rephrase.

“Can Congress ask Trump or the IRS for tax returns”
Yes. In other news, I can ask Trump and the IRS if the sky is green.
Is that clearer?

-Chris
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posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:08 PM
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originally posted by: willzilla
They can’t make Trump, but they can order IRS to. Let’s get everyone’s tax returns while we are at it. I would love to know how politicians are in the millionaire bracket when they wasn’t before.


Maxine Waters now has many of Trump's bank records. Elijah Cummings is obtaining Trump's various business records.

Let's have the DOJ comb over the business and bank records of Nadler, Waters, Schiff, Cummings, Pelosi.



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: toolgal462

What does this have to do with the Mueller report?

I'm pretty sure Trump is under several open investigations and subject to several lawsuits, including violating the Emolument Clause of the Constitution and failure to divest from his businesses.



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:14 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: toolgal462

What does this have to do with the Mueller report?

I'm pretty sure Trump is under several open investigations and subject to several lawsuits, including violating the Emolument Clause of the Constitution and failure to divest from his businesses.


Oh, so he hasn't been convicted of anything you allege. Just like I said the first time.

When again, has he been "in trouble"?



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:14 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: F4guy

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Congress is not asking trump for his taxes. They are asking the IRS for them.



I haven't heard that one yet. Oh wait, yes I have.

They are asking the IRS to break disclosure laws for political purposes.

Please cite the "disclosure laws" you are referring to. Because there is a law saying that the IRS must disclose upon a congressional committee request. Thanks.


Quote the law please, because if it is the one I am thinking of it deals with the Senate and only in executive session.

Thanks in advance....
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I thing the 20th through 23rd words of 26 U.S. Code, Section 6103(3) are "the House of Representatives." In fact, here it is: "(3) Other committees

Pursuant to an action by, and upon written request by the chairman of, a committee of the Senate or the House of Representatives (other than a committee specified in paragraph (1)) specially authorized to inspect any return or return information by a resolution of the Senate or the House of Representatives or, in the case of a joint committee (other than the joint committee specified in paragraph (1)) by concurrent resolution, the Secretary shall furnish such committee, or a duly authorized and designated subcommittee thereof, sitting in closed executive session, with any return or return information which such resolution authorizes the committee or subcommittee to inspect. Any resolution described in this paragraph shall specify the purpose for which the return or return information is to be furnished and that such information cannot reasonably be obtained from any other source."



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:15 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

I wish people would read what they quote.


Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.


A closed executive session in this case would be the Committee on finance in the Senate and the President, there as the leader of the Executive branch.

That is why they call it an Executive Session.

Hope that helped, though I doubt it.

CNN and TDS are a powerful combination.




posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:21 PM
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a reply to: F4guy

Wish them luck in court with that, since their purpose is "Orange Man Bad."

Not exactly a crime there to be looked further into, right?

Unless they are thinking that the IRS, before Trump was President, willingly covered up something for him?

This will die in a courtroom somewhere, if they can even find a judge to take it.

Until then it is going to be the next TDS Great Hope for overturning the 2016 election, with a willing media keeping the left going with their daily hatred injection.

Led by the nose and loving it, some people are.




posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:25 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

The law specifically addresses the Ways and Means Committee of the House of Representatives. Any committee can go into executive session. "Executive session" occurs whenever a committee goes into closed session to discuss confidential issues.


Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation


Read better!



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:31 PM
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originally posted by: Moresby
This is the law that allows Congress to get copies of Trump's taxes:




(f) Disclosure to Committees of Congress

(1) Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.


In legal parlance, the "shall" means must.

And they are not merely requesting Trump's personal taxes but those of a number of his companies.

Trump, and his legal representation, has to be careful about trying to stop this.

Because elsewhere it states that it would a federal offense (carrying a maximum penalty of 5 years in prison) to directly or indirectly contact the IRS in an attempt to prevent this disclosure.

Not entirely sure how he would fight this. I guess he'd have to take congress to court?!?

But the statute seems very clear.

So, congress will likely be getting all the tax returns they requested.


The question is not whether it is legal or not.

It is whether there is political bias in the basic request.


You have a committee who is basically over riding the IRS ability to legally audit taxes without a valid reason.
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posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:35 PM
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I think most people, including the vast majority of Trump's supporters, know that Trump is a crook and a tax cheat who has benefited from "rich white man's justice" his whole life. Many, on both sides, think he will continue to benefit from such justice.

However, I wouldn't want to be doing Trump's laundry in the days and weeks after Congress gets these returns. (If they get these returns.) Because that will be a very smelly and unpleasant job.



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:36 PM
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You have a committee who is basically over riding the IRS ability to legally audit taxes without a valid reason.


How do you figure that? How does this request hinder the IRS's ability to audit?



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: dragonridr



Trumps lawyers all ready put a stop to it.


Trump's (personal) lawyers can't stop it. They may be raising legal objections, but they haven't stopped anything.





Yes they have by notifying the IRS. Now for the IRS to release the tax information will require a court order. Trump has officially notified them of his protections under the law.

Now Congress would need to show a reason to need his returns. To just check them is not a reason. They would have to show that they need them for a legal purpose and that it is not a request used for partisan politics. That would require proof a crime had been committed


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posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:46 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: F4guy

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Congress is not asking trump for his taxes. They are asking the IRS for them.



I haven't heard that one yet. Oh wait, yes I have.

They are asking the IRS to break disclosure laws for political purposes.

Please cite the "disclosure laws" you are referring to. Because there is a law saying that the IRS must disclose upon a congressional committee request. Thanks.


Quote the law please, because if it is the one I am thinking of it deals with the Senate and only in executive session.

Thanks in advance....

...which also means, CLOSED DOOR.

If any of it leaks, maximum punishment indeed.



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

And what authority do they have to make that demand? Can they demand anyone's private protected information?



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:49 PM
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a reply to: Moresby

So Congress who doesn't do taxes is going to find what the experts at the IRS missed?



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:58 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Oh, I have no doubt that they're trying to stop this. I just don't think Trump's personal lawyers have legal jurisdiction. This is between the Ways and Means Committee and the IRS. Trump doesn't have any authority in this matter.



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 08:16 PM
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Now Congress would need to show a reason to need his returns. To just check them is not a reason. They would have to show that they need them for a legal purpose and that it is not a request used for partisan politics. That would require proof a crime had been committed


Like money laundering. Think perhaps the FBI and W&M committee might be in cahoots.

washingtonmonthly.com...

foreignpolicy.com...

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