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originally posted by: ForteanOrg
Well, now.
First of all, I'm not so sure you actually will leave. The entire idea of a Brexit is nonsensical: it is not supported by the majority of your people,
it would hurt both the EU and the UK, the Scots would probably go for independence,
how about the Northern Irish - and even if you left, after a few years the voters will vote another parliament and the younger Brits will simply revoke the entire thing, as they fail to see why they should be limited to the Island when they could have the entire nation and the continent.
You may hope to become a nation of strong, multi-faceted and independent enterprises but the question is which market they will serve. Without the common market, your options will be limited.
originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: ForteanOrg
- but basically many of them simply accept this process as the reslut of direct democracy, thus to be protected & implemented based on the honour of having given our word, collectively.
originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
I think many people have become angry that people with no political or economic understanding whatsoever were allowed to have such a monumental assault on the general stability of the nation.
My dear grandmother voted to lleave - but she's 85, and has no idea what the world is like for younger people these days. Her vote was totally uninformed, and the impact of the changes will barely have taken hold by the time she moves on to the next life. I love her dearly - she is the strongest example of a moral, decent & loving, humble & dedicated woman that I have ever known - but she shouldn't have been allowed to vote, in a sort of weird way it seems unjustifiable that she was able to impact upon the stability of the next three or four generations of citizens that will follow the actual departure from the EU.
I'm not saying that I'm a Remainer - I actually voted remain but then gradually realised that a leave vote was more sensible in some ways
(IF it was handled correctly - this has not been the case).
originally posted by: teapot
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment
Sorry, no. Your granny's vote was better informed than yours. She not only lived through the most evil period in European history and experienced the aftermath, she was also educated in an era where teachers were allowed to teach and children were seen as an asset and not a commodity.
Once Britain is out of the EU, they will seek ways to punish and this would be the only reason Britain will suffer any negativity through the transition period.
Resolute refusal to be bullied by whatever strategies and actions the EU may make to teach the UK a lesson will not work because we are British and once Gens Y & Z have caught up with what that means they will have come to understand the EU is not a system to embrace all with kindness, fairness and parity, but rather an increasingly homogenous blob of Franco-German Faustian Demagoguery.
originally posted by: ForteanOrg
Well, now.
First of all, I'm not so sure you actually will leave. The entire idea of a Brexit is nonsensical: it is not supported by the majority of your people, it would hurt both the EU and the UK, the Scots would probably go for independence, how about the Northern Irish - and even if you left, after a few years the voters will vote another parliament and the younger Brits will simply revoke the entire thing, as they fail to see why they should be limited to the Island when they could have the entire nation and the continent.
You may hope to become a nation of strong, multi-faceted and independent enterprises but the question is which market they will serve. Without the common market, your options will be limited.
originally posted by: eletheia
originally posted by: ForteanOrg
Well, now.
First of all, I'm not so sure you actually will leave. The entire idea of a Brexit is nonsensical: it is not supported by the majority of your people,
Well now......
The referendum says it is supported by the majority, with the largest turnout
in UK history.
it would hurt both the EU and the UK, the Scots would probably go for independence,
The EU will lose more than the UK .....may be a bit rocky at first, but
without the weight of and EU shackles, we will become again a lean
mean working machine, and on the way to that we will need to get rid
of the useless MP's we currently have.
how about the Northern Irish - and even if you left, after a few years the voters will vote another parliament and the younger Brits will simply revoke the entire thing, as they fail to see why they should be limited to the Island when they could have the entire nation and the continent.
In your dreams.
You may hope to become a nation of strong, multi-faceted and independent enterprises but the question is which market they will serve. Without the common market, your options will be limited.
The EU is 27 countries of which 20 are takers not contributers so the EU is
quantity and not so much quality.
The world consists of 193 nations a third is more than the whole of the EU!!!
And now the EU is loosing its second largest financial contributer
originally posted by: InTheLight
So, are you saying that a big chunk of U.K.'s debt is partly due to it's financial contributions to other countries in the EU? Just trying to understand all of this and once they leave, their debt will decrease substantially?
www.statista.com...
originally posted by: eletheia
originally posted by: InTheLight
So, are you saying that a big chunk of U.K.'s debt is partly due to it's financial contributions to other countries in the EU? Just trying to understand all of this and once they leave, their debt will decrease substantially?
www.statista.com...
No thats not what I'm saying ...... there are 28 nations in the EU of which
twenty are subsidised by the other eight. The UK is the second largest
contributer to the financial budget of the EU, which means when we leave
there will be a vast financial hole to fill and the other countries will need to
dig deeper to fill it!!
originally posted by: InTheLight
Our lines are crossed somehow, I didn't mean EU's debt will decrease, I meant that U.K.'s debt will decrease. My mistake for not clarifying. So, yeah, I got it right initially. So, that's a positive to look forward to.