A new American civil war

a reply to: Gravelbone

Yeah, I'm old and tired and fat. I'll make a great speed bump but I probably won't see the end of it either.

a reply to: JBurns

If it is a war it is a war of words and ideas, and not a literal one. We should never blur the lines between words and violence, not only for the obvious reasons, but because it is the modus operandi of the opponent.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Gravelbone

Yeah, I'm old and tired and fat. I'll make a great speed bump but I probably won't see the end of it either.

The pen is mightier than the sword.

An idea is immortal. Though the pen is mightier the sword happens to be easier.

Long term Victors always had the pen first before the sword corrupted them.

a reply to: Tartuffe

I love that post.

There is a compitition of the thin skinned. Whoever takes the high ground on hearing out ideas wins IMO.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I'm curious.

Many on (or near) the right suspect and dread a new civil war.

All we've seen is casual mocking from the more left-leaning members.

Is it because they don't think there will be a war, or do they think they will win it?

From a resident Libertarian point of view (mine) it seems the rightwing on here, with all their Chicken Little civil war doom porning, are the ones itching & fapping for a war, not the other side of the fence.

It's very apparent to those sitting elsewhere on the political spectrum, observing. Fancy words and long posts are cheap. Reading between the lines is a wealth of info.

a reply to: Nyiah

It's all about perspective.

Each 'side' thinks they are being oppressed by their own imaginary booger man and the reality is that WE all are to some degree.

Who's rights are more important?

Purely semantic argument.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Nyiah

It's all about perspective.

Each 'side' thinks they are being oppressed by their own imaginary booger man and the reality is that WE all are to some degree.

Who's rights are more important?

Purely semantic argument.

Semantic and subjective, no less.

no - we have too many immigrants and neighbors that know firsthand about conflict and survival - there isn't enough nose breathers left in this country to fight Russia, China, Mexico and their own government at the same time - things have changed, Argentina would happily take our oil fields in Texas is they could, let alone Cuba and every other country while we were fighting an imaginary enemy.

The MSM is funded by Doritos, they have no power - only the will to see us fat and stupid sitting next to our smart phones waiting to bless us with knowledge. The next civil war will either be over AI or another deliberate market crash - something with a face, not just "them".

My guess though is the war with China will blow off enough steam and unite us like the last great wars.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Gravelbone

Yeah, I'm old and tired and fat. I'll make a great speed bump but I probably won't see the end of it either.

The pen is mightier than the sword.

An idea is immortal. Though the pen is mightier the sword happens to be easier.

Long term Victors always had the pen first before the sword corrupted them.

which is why the constitution still stands, and the sword to defend it.

You guys are bat # crazy you know that right?.

a reply to: Nyiah

From a resident Libertarian point of view (mine) it seems the rightwing on here, with all their Chicken Little civil war doom porning, are the ones itching & fapping for a war, not the other side of the fence.

Then youre choosing to who and what youre getting your information from, because by far the most vocal about usurping the current gov at all costs up to, and even violence is the left.

It's very apparent to those sitting elsewhere on the political spectrum, observing.

Might want to start watching more streams of news than just what youre doing then, because its all over social media calling out for forceful usurptation of our current political system. ( and thats how most people get their news these days, whether you do or not) and its all over main stream media.

If you cant see this you are either willfully ignorant, or woefully uninformed

Full stop

After all , after the election ( who i wrote in myself for) it was the left that rose up in violence, riots, and gave birth to Antifa who are also violent. Not to mention elected officials on the left calling for all out assault, including at peoples homes, who supported the president.

Wake up, wake up, wake up

originally posted by: MyToxicTash
You guys are bat # crazy you know that right?.

we prefer to call it aware of current events, give it a try

a reply to: SailorJerry

Its all kinda manifesto like....

originally posted by: MyToxicTash
a reply to: SailorJerry

Its all kinda manifesto like....

I guess if you call what the founding fathers laid out, what they taught, and what they founded this country on , as a manifesto, then yeah I guess so.

After all the left and antifa have their manifestos, which have both threatened violence if they dont get their way.

any actual debate to whats been said, or just some one liners?

besides, in your country you can get arrested for MEMES or voicing the wrong opinion on the internet, dont be mad because we put an end to that sh!t in 1776 from your country.

We still have a choice, yall dont, hell you cant even vote on Brexit and get it done.

But please tell us how we should do, weve been more successful as a country in our young history than yours has in how long? and are now regressing to complete and utter police state, worse than us?

a reply to: SailorJerry

Just observations dude.
But I just hope you are all just keyboard warriors not actual loons.

originally posted by: MyToxicTash
a reply to: SailorJerry

Just observations dude.
But I just hope you are all just keyboard warriors not actual loons.

were neither "dude"

None of us are advocating for anything either, as a British person i would hope your understanding of "context" would be better than others but perhaps I am wrong.

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Now picture our 1776 Revolutionary War. The left would easily be the British army with their massive backing ( the MSM ) vs. the right who have to resort to more humble means ( Q anon, alt media, etc.

The American Colonists ( or the right as you refer to them ) didn't exactly have " Humble Means "

They had the backing of The Spanish and Dutch, and more importantly The French Military & Navy.

Humble Mean ? No

originally posted by: SailorJerry

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Gravelbone

Yeah, I'm old and tired and fat. I'll make a great speed bump but I probably won't see the end of it either.

The pen is mightier than the sword.

An idea is immortal. Though the pen is mightier the sword happens to be easier.

Long term Victors always had the pen first before the sword corrupted them.

which is why the constitution still stands, and the sword to defend it.

I was being a bit abstract replying to DB talking about his growing age and where that would leave someone if conflict broke out. With age comes wisdom, and the ability to present ideas and possibly change the minds of others.

But to your point about the sword and the relationship to the constitution, absolutely it's defended it before. It's also violated it as well. How many wars have we had that weren't voted on by congress? How many young have we drafted to fight against someone who didn't attack us? I think we were closer to civil war in the Vietnam war era more than we are now.

The government was abusing it's power. Liberty was set aside for agenda. Young men were drafted against their will to fight in a place over politics, and people were furious.

If we talk about civil war in the context of the divide between the two parties... Most of that is manufactured by elites. Most Republicans don't care if two men marry, most Democrats don't want people to be able to abort a baby after it's born. People at the top made those issues.

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: DBCowboy
What happens if the pro-Constitutionalists lose?

There is no "lose". We don't give that up.

hilarious

easy to be uber tough on ATS

yeah some people talk tough on the internet, I could name a few on here that do as well (youve been known for your bravado on several occasions).......

but some of us are actual combat vets, not served in war time as reserve, not sat in a FOB listening to coms and taking notes (not that its any less of service)......

But In the dust, in the mud and dirt, that actually know what it means to hear "Contact" and "Rounds out".....

We know what could come and we dont want it, thats why weve tried everything we can , and are looking for any other option other than that alternative....

Weve seen what happens IEDs hit our friends, or witnessed the result of the shot that smacks, instead of buzzes

Were not talking tough, were trying to avoid that on our own soil, and trying to talk sense into the ignorant idiots who dont know.........

So please.....flex somewhere else..youre just projecting, and it means jack sh!t

a reply to: Ahabstar

That's like asking while we still wage wars on drugs and terror.

and are recommending to end it?

Are they?
Put something up for me, you've lost me there.

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