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A new American civil war

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posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: DBCowboy
What happens if the pro-Constitutionalists lose?

There is no "lose". We don't give that up.


Oh I understand. Just saying that the leftists and progressives are far from stupid.

They'd trash the country and scorch the earth just to get their way.

They're already trying!

Just look at the ones who want to tank our entire economy just to make Trump look bad.



Thats exactly what they are doing , because they know that with the constitution and the way our gov is set up now, they cannot implement their plans.

The way our gov is set up, is for the express purpose of stopping this sort of totalitarian control




posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 06:55 PM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak
Shortest war in history?

It won’t be far off it. Grossly unequal ‘sides’ this time around.
The normal, average person versus the gutless and the weak.

I hope its televised


I dont think it would be a shooting war, at least, not for the most parts, youll have some factions and some idiots like Antifa that try and get violent and get stomped out quick, fast, and in a hurry.

For that fact of the matter, were already in a type of civil war, along with the war of information and ideas, weve come to a point where theres an impass, and neither side is going to negotiate.

And honestly there are very many a liberal ideology that we as conservatives should never compromise on.

Were in a fight for to save the constitution and the expression of free thought and ideas, while the left want to silence anyone who doesnt believe like they do.

Just look at whats happening on college campuses.



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 06:59 PM
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a reply to: SailorJerry

You’re right about that.
The left absolutely want to silence anyone who doesn’t believe like they do.

The very definition of fascism.



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:01 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: JBurns

*Sigh*

War is inevitable.

The bad part is, the aftermath may be even worse than the lead up.

What happens if the pro-Constitutionalists lose?


Sadly, this seems to be the case. 2 years ago I'd have laughed (a little reluctantly) at this prospect. How fast things change

I do not even want to think about what happens if that were the case. Especially because it has so far shown to be a war waged in the information/cyber space(s) where nearly every possible traditional advantage can be negated by a blogger running a 2 hour a day operation. Will it remain a "cold war," relegated mostly to bloggers and pundits? Or will some seemingly minor event act as the spark that ignites a larger conflict (such as Franz Ferdinand)

The political agitators are of course just one part of it, near universal breakdown in faith in our institutions (for various reasons from more than one 'side') and a lack of the bond that gave us a common identity as Americans has torn this country apart

Those who pretend there is a way forward where one or both of these sides just puts down their playbook and concedes are just wishful thinking at this point. Although I can hardly blame them for thinking this way, the alternative (a genuine civil war) is sobering and seems impossible yet by all appearances that is where we have landed

Anyhow I appreciate you dropping by this thread



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:01 PM
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originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: DBCowboy
What happens if the pro-Constitutionalists lose?

There is no "lose". We don't give that up.


hilarious

easy to be uber tough on ATS



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:01 PM
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a reply to: SailorJerry

There was no American constitution before the revolution ... they had to fight for it to be even written. I think you need to look up what conservative in politics means .
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posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: SailorJerry

Spot on SailorJerry


The fact it is not a shooting war betrays a great deal more about the belligerents than they'd probably like. They have largely turned to information and cyber (as you and others pointed out)

The only problem is, information/cyber is asymmetric warfare on steroids. The traditional advantages (ie: supplies, training, logistics, etc) may be next to worthless in a conflict that is won and lost in these domains (information/cyber)

Anyhow... I think you are right that we are in a type of civil war, although it has *mostly* been a "cold war" namely because it is quite clear neither side is willing to negotiate or compromise. And in a way, they have put us in a position where negotiation means compromising our unalienable Constitutional rights and that is something none of us should be willing to back down on


Just seems to me that as the belligerents they will by nature have the initiative. And that if we are to be successful, we should be ready to take the fight to them in the information domain. I find it unlikely they would engage in any sort of widespread acts of violence, simply because those who use dishonest tactics generally prefer to attack where we are weak vs. our strongest point. But there can be no denying that actions in the information spectrum have a real life impact

So of course folks should be cautious of lone wolf terrorism and other isolated acts of violence, but I personally think the cause of liberty/freedom/limited Constitutional government faces an equally significant danger in information-land as we do in the real world

Thanks for your reply



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:14 PM
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originally posted by: SailorJerry
a reply to: chr0naut




The Constitution is built upon concepts of social responsibility, equality under the law and human rights.

Exactly which are conservative tenants



I mean, look at your whole Bill of Rights (one of your three Constitutional documents)! If there ever was an all-encompassing socialist manifesto, that's it

Not even close, infact the two statements you just made, directly contradict each other, so which is it?




No, the ones who are trying to destroy the Constitution are right wing, selfish and greedy capitalists. There's almost nothing in the Constitution for them.


Is that why the left are now going full bore admitting they want to remove the 2nd, and police who gets to have freedom of speech? And also want to remove the Electoral College? The same college that gives a voice to rural America during elections?

Again, you guys have twisted yourself into knots with these mental gymnastics




But it's funny how the 'propaganda arm' are constantly suggesting that "the left" are trying to undermine the Constitution.


Its not propaganda when you have people on the left, including representatives in the gov, actually stating these things.

Do you guys just sit with your head in the sand and only listen to talking points without doing any research or, how does that work, because again, the logic here is so flawed that my 16 year old grand daughter could make a better argument.

The conservatives are middle America. They are neither left nor right wing.



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:15 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy




They'd trash the country and scorch the earth just to get their way.

They're already trying!


With an UBI and a green new deal. Essentially WMD's.



Just look at the ones who want to tank our entire economy just to make Trump look bad.


At least your ignorant drift into a mad max scenario would be fiscally responsible, with wars on everything and eternal quantitative easing. Too big to fail.

Yeah. Right. But no warm cacao for you today!



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:16 PM
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a reply to: TinySickTears

It isn't about being tough. Nobody here is trying to be a tough guy

It is about defending the Constitution from all who seek to destroy, subvert or restrain it.

We are fighting for our right to exist as is, to enjoy self-determination and preserve the nation so many Americans have fought and died for

The American people made that clear in 2016. We don't want socialism. We don't want a mob-rule democracy. We are happy with the United States as it is, and fundamentally oppose the effort by the regressive left to undermine the Republic we've built by "fundamentally transforming" the United States into something it was never intended to be.


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posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:20 PM
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originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: DBCowboy
What happens if the pro-Constitutionalists lose?

There is no "lose". We don't give that up.


hilarious

easy to be uber tough on ATS


This coming from the guy who constantly brags about his MMA training and what he would do in situations with people.

You should probably look in a mirror.



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:20 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Green New Deal would have the impact of WMDs, absolutely. Our economy would grind to a halt, millions would be out of work and chaos would ensue. It would deprive of us of our right to free choice, put millions of out of a job, shut down the trade/transportation industry and cost 4 times our existing national debt to implement - this means vastly increased taxes from fewer Americans working, a massive expansion of government and the powers allocated to government, a fundamental change to our way of life we do not approve of and mostly important the subversion of our Constitution which makes the proposed non-Republican form of government unconstitutional.

The constitution assigns the rights and authorities to the government. Every authority and power government needs to function can be find explicitly listed in the Constitution. Specifically, rights not allocated to government may *not* be merely assumed by the government! The Constitution is designed to constrain the government as a whole (executive, legislative, judicial) not just one branch of government or the American people as a whole.
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posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:22 PM
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At least your ignorant drift into a mad max scenario would be fiscally responsible, with wars on everything and eternal quantitative easing. Too big to fail.


Except they have literally stated that they want to destroy the system. Besides them stating it, look what they are doing, they are quite literally trying to destroy the system as it stands so they can implement their own.

How do you breathe with your head so far in the sand?



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:25 PM
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a reply to: strongfp




There was no American constitution before the revolution ... they had to fight for it to be even written. I think you need to look up what conservative in politics means .


No crap? wow I didnt know that.

That is not what I said at all either, reading comprehension is key.

Im in my 60s im well aware of what conservative means, because I R one.

But please junior , please explain to me what went down in history, from your revisionist ideology.

I was in school when they actually taught history, people still knew what the bill of rights was, and could recite it. People knew the branches of the government and what they were responsible for.

Save me your high horse, youre sitting on a Shetland pony



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:29 PM
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a reply to: SailorJerry

How could American citizens be conservative to the non existent constitution? The British were imposing their might on the colonies, to keep them under their thumb, via taxes and military bullying.

The citizens of the Americas were fed up, and took to liberal and left leaning politics in the form of libertarianism to rid the British.

Where does conservatism fit in with people of the new world? They didn't want the same old, they wanted change.



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:32 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

Socialists and communists are not liberals

As a former "liberal" this couldn't be further from the truth

Liberalism, true liberalism, is advocating a state of liberty, freedom and Constitutional government.

Socialists and communists are about as illiberal as it gets. They support nothing but conformity by force, intimidation or violence against dissenters and a government where the group-think (or what they claim is the consensus) overrules everything including things like the 'pesky' Constitution

They do not want a Constitutionally limited Republic, because to truly enact their agenda they can't have our Constitution or its supporters "getting in the way"



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:35 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

They were conserving the tradition of freedom and independence from Britain that our colonies enjoyed. It wasn't until King George tried to replace our elected officials with his puppets, tax us to death without our input/council and generally treat us like the subjects we declined to be that we went to war. What finally set it off was his attempt to confiscate the guns, however there was a long list of "wrongs and usurpations" that lead to the actual war. That was the point the colonists realized "enough was enough" and decided to take up arms in the name of establishing a better form of government, a self-governing Constitutionally limited Republic. One that wasn't full of subjects at the whim of a ruler, but Citizens in charge of their own destiny and nation.

Our forefathers established the Constitution to constrain our new government, to ensure it never became tyrannical like the British monarchy. In addition to those constraints, they created the BOR to provide *extra* protections for specific rights considered unalienable, but in no way are our rights constrained or limited to those enumerated rights. Any right not specifically assigned to the government was automatically by default given to the people as individual citizens or the State governments to decide. In no case can the government grant itself powers out of thin air, however.

That is what we're conserving. That is what we're defending.
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posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:39 PM
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I'm curious.

Many on (or near) the right suspect and dread a new civil war.

All we've seen is casual mocking from the more left-leaning members.

Is it because they don't think there will be a war, or do they think they will win it?



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:43 PM
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How could American citizens be conservative to the non existent constitution?


Because having a conservative view, prior to the constitution, had nothing to do with a piece of paper, I really dont understand how you cant grasp that.




The citizens of the Americas were fed up, and took to liberal and left leaning politics in the form of libertarianism to rid the British.


More revisionist ideology. They werent left leaning politics, because there was no independent political system set up yet. LoL yet you sit here and insult my knowledge of history, and then make a comment how Conservatives couldnt be conservative because there was no constitution.




Where does conservatism fit in with people of the new world? They didn't want the same old, they wanted change.


I recommend you actually do a lot more reading and listening. May I suggest PragerU and some others, and actually go to the library and pick up some old books on the history of the revolutionary war.



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: DBCowboy
What happens if the pro-Constitutionalists lose?

There is no "lose". We don't give that up.


hilarious

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