Could "Judgement Day" = "Dimensional Shift 2012"?

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posted on Jul, 9 2003 @ 03:35 PM
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MKULTRA specifically from the context of legend and taking into consideration electron clouds. A conclusion
is that the separation between the sets of electrons
existing in alternative/parallel universes ceases to
exist.

Any thoughts?




posted on Jul, 9 2003 @ 04:14 PM
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Toltec: I think you lost us on that one


Could you elaborate a bit more?

In peace,

~Jammer



posted on Jul, 9 2003 @ 05:04 PM
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The term electron cloud refers to individual sets of electrons (which make possible elements) existing in parallel Universes which orbit (in kind) the same nucleus of an atom.

These sets are inherently separated, a conclusion with respect to what will occur is that however the sets are separated it will no longer exist as a factor. If there are for instance a 1000 parallel Universes in which there are sets of electrons which are related to our existence it will become one. We as a result will become aware of reality from this perspective whatever that orientation is.



posted on Jul, 9 2003 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by jammerman
Hey Bandit,

Interesting... Could you share some information on how to have lucid dreams or OOBE's? Do you know of any good links or books on the subject that some of us could try?

Perhaps a new research thread should be started on OOBE or Lucid Dreams or both. It would be interesting to see peoples day to day experiences - like a group journal. Anybody interested in trying this?

Looking forward,

~Jammer


I know a bunch...

www.soultravel.nu...
www.iands.org...
jtvictoriajr.tripod.com...
paranormal.about.com...
www.robertpeterson.org...
www.monroeinstitute.org...
www.astralvoyage.com...
www.astralpulse.com...
afterlife-knowledge.com...
directory.google.com...

Lucid dreaming:

www.xs4all.nl...
www.lucidity.com...
www.dreamviews.com...



posted on Jul, 9 2003 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by mikromarius

Originally posted by TheBandit795
You are then able to see beings (mostly animals) that vibrate on a less dense frequency.


me sa think you sa live in big oldfasion TV. You sa should get out of it, for bang sa someone cold turn it on and that sa would be very very dangerous.


Blessings,
Mikromarius



Me sa think you sa open a your mind a little bit more, & informa yourself about the topic, before ya post some nonsense...



posted on Jul, 9 2003 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by Toltec
The term electron cloud refers to individual sets of electrons (which make possible elements) existing in parallel Universes which orbit (in kind) the same nucleus of an atom.

These sets are inherently separated, a conclusion with respect to what will occur is that however the sets are separated it will no longer exist as a factor. If there are for instance a 1000 parallel Universes in which there are sets of electrons which are related to our existence it will become one. We as a result will become aware of reality from this perspective whatever that orientation is.


Toltec, your theory, or someone else's...
Anyway it's interesting. Makes me think about the schrodingers cat (which has to do with parallel Universes), although they don't relate that much.



posted on Jul, 9 2003 @ 07:09 PM
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Cannot really take credit for it Bandit but was part of a discussion which resulted in this idea.



posted on Jul, 10 2003 @ 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by TheBandit795

Me sa think you sa open a your mind a little bit more, & informa yourself about the topic, before ya post some nonsense...


Hehe. Humor is important too don't you think. I dream alot, but I've never seen any animals in my dreams. I've seen angels and even Jesus and Mother Mary, and once I saw a couple of valkyries but except for that dog that took a bite of my leg I can't remember to having seen any animals. And since we know close to nothing about there being any other dimentions than the three visible ones and movement all arguments even the bizarre ones and the absurd should be taken into concideration I think.



Blessings,
Mikromarius



posted on Jul, 10 2003 @ 03:11 PM
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Before I knew anything about any of this a couple of years ago I had an out of body experience to the future evidentally.

I do remember that I was in a city and there was great destruction all around and there were soldiers looking around. I asked them what was going on and they said they were looking for survivors. One said to me, "How did you get here?' I only smiled and said I was from the past. Then I asked them what year it was and they told me it was 2012.

By the way, I knew that the city in question was New York.

When I awoke the next morning everything was as clear as a bell about this event.

I have taken trips to the past also -- but not allowed to change anything.

Have had many spiritual dreams in other universes also so I'm wondering is there anyone else that knows about this or anything.



posted on Jul, 10 2003 @ 04:36 PM
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I believe that on December 21, 2012 there will be a shift. As for the question of what one looks like it has no form. The shift would take place on an astral and spirituall level affecting all forms of spirituall energy. For those interested in learning more give me a U2U and I can give you a site that might be a little more informative.



posted on Jul, 10 2003 @ 04:38 PM
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Sorry, I forgot to post this at the end of my last post.

I would appreciate it if those of you out there who enjoy putting down others' ideas because they are not similar to your own would not attempt to insult me for my beliefs. Thanks.



posted on Jul, 10 2003 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by mikromarius
And since we know close to nothing about there being any other dimentions than the three visible ones and movement all arguments even the bizarre ones and the absurd should be taken into concideration I think.



True... But that's just with the western civilisation... Other civilisations may have known much more (about other dimensions) than us. Especially those who had their Shamans.
Polynesian, Aboriginal, Native American, Vedan, Druids, Early Judean etc...
Unfortunately most of that knowledge is lost or destroyed (by our western civilisation)...



posted on Jul, 10 2003 @ 06:03 PM
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You may be surprised to know that the language of the universe, sacred geometry, is being displayed in genuine crop circles in the UK. Check it out at:

www.lovely.clara.net...

I am just finishing Freddy Silva's book on crop circles and it is remarkable and I believe very accurate. I highly recommend it. He has tons of stuff on his site if you're not up for reading the book.

The language of the universe is not lost, only forgotten.

In peace,

~Jammer



posted on Jan, 13 2004 @ 04:09 PM
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If this is the judgement day that is going to happen on the year 2012, it's also possible that we could destroy ourselves at this time. By this I mean a polar shift causing major electronic devices to malfunction--in effect, setting off major nuclear weapons worldwide, something like a glitch or viral-bug in the systems.

If all these nuclear missile were launced in this year 2012, humanity would greatly suffer, and perhaps that could be the 'new beginning'. It's good to use a religious connotation of an anti-christ, let's also consider our own creations of very destructible technology having an impact of 'judgement day' proportions--terminator 3 style!
Keep this in mind



posted on Jan, 13 2004 @ 04:18 PM
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Judgement refers to the next phase in the body/soul existance, a natural shift from one cycle to annother cycle.



posted on Jan, 13 2004 @ 06:00 PM
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Just a note to jammerman: While we are existing in 4 dimensions, with the other 6 being curled and collapsed. We are only 'aware' of 3. We are not '4 Dimensional Beings', aware of four and unable to envision 5.

As Michio Kaku actually put it, we're in 3, and unable to envision 4.

And about all of this, way too many people were taken in by that whole 'Planet X' deal that just NEVER happened, and signifigance in old civilizations' calendars et al. were brought up to support it.

Just the same, we have oh so many 'reasons' to believe the date 1221 2012 will hold major signifigance for a 'shift' of our lives. People have thought things like this would happen in the next few years for all of existence, except with the net it isn't a group of 8 guys in a village, its a community of thousands on the net.

And Jammer, how can you really rely on theories about crop circles? There is no proof its alien, there isn't always proof its human but we can do a good job of a fake. Rather than base hypotheses on a shift of reality for all mankind on questionable subjects such as crop circles and the dates of the Zodiax, we should base them on things like credible science, or our own experiences..

Sorry, the place I came from was ruined by idiots screaming that the apocalypse was coming in 2012, that they had had visions, and that demons were going to start a war with us soon. They didn't even know what the apocalypse was.



posted on Jan, 13 2004 @ 06:07 PM
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Mass hysteria and
1212 seems like a "scary" number.
Entropy, the world will tend towards disarray untill it is complete chaos.
It will happen sooner or later, 1212 seems as good a time as any..........



posted on Jan, 13 2004 @ 07:28 PM
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i have no way of knowing what exactly will happen, but one ting is for sure: we are all about to experience a huge change. i can hardly contain my excitement! makes me want to be really carefull so i can be sure to still be alive for it!:



posted on Jan, 13 2004 @ 07:39 PM
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2012, not 1212..

And Entropy works at an accelerating rate, it doesn't just jump like that. It has been accelerating, and will continue, but it doesn't mean within 9 years we'll be going nuts.

And dunkle, any.. proof on some big change there?

I've always felt there is gonna be one, but I can't believe it till I have something real to go on.



posted on Jan, 13 2004 @ 08:01 PM
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there is no one solid piece of proof. but probably 1 in every 5 posts on this site has a tiny bit.

for example: recent weather changes, plate movements, the mayan calendar, revelations (even if you dont believe all of it, which i don't),





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