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Meet Lucy Flores - gang banger, convicted criminal, HS drop-out

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posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Don’t get me wrong, unlike a lot of people I’m well aware that politicians and others sometimes weaponize feminism, race, social justice, and sexual assault accusations.
a reply to: JBurns



I understand Quetzalcoatl14
I always found you to be an objective, reasonable and logical poster (for what it is worth)

It isn't just the Me Too stuff or race stuff, it is just the double standards we see play out so many times

It is almost like there are two sets of rules any more, and it is contributing to (at least what I believe) will be an eventual total breakdown of trust and thus the legitimacy of our system. Who will submit to the courts/legal system when they don't trust it to give them a fair and impartial hearing? If you don't believe you will get a true examination of the facts (not just the prevailing opinion of the week) would you? Personally, even I would have a hard time swallowing that pill as far as Federal crimes/courts go.

It is a bad situation all around, I hate seeing so many people's lives ruined without recourse or due process while plenty of others tilt their nose up like they were immune from the same mistakes as younger men and women. These days, it has even extended to government.. if you try to fight their allegations they will simply drag things out until you can no longer afford to fight or no longer bare to watch your life crumble around you. And when they make mistakes? Barely an apology which even that is not close to enough

Heaven forbid a citizen lies to the government though. They want to treat you like the Rosenburgs. Meanwhile, government lies to our faces day in day out as a matter of policy. They have institutionalized the self-described "art" of telling lies. And they do so with absolute impunity. When they violate the rights of a Citizen, what happens to them? There is never personal accountability as their extensions in congress have passed laws over the years shielding them from personal liability

What a dangerous and unpredictable time to live in

In any case, I appreciate the reply and (as usual) intelligence conversation




posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: JBurns

Is Biden a Gangbanger Lover?

I need a scorecard to figure out the Democrats Morality threshold.

Blackface----ok, especially if you are a Democratic Governor.

Hate Crimes--- OK to file a false one as long as Trump made you do it.

Sexual harassment ----I have no idea what the criteria is. I'm going to need a ruling from the DNC National Committee so I can tell what is acceptable.


I am right there with you pavil


We are in unprecedented times, and I worry when I look ahead and wonder what comes next I just wonder how low the next low will be. That the bar continues to drop lower and lower should be a concern that keeps us awake at night



posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: CynConcepts


There will always be those who will not change, but they are truly the minority. The majority are not so extreme. Ask yourself: is Trump our President? Is Kavanaugh a supreme court judge? Ect.

Obviously, the minority are loud and obnoxious...but the majority keep silently winning based on real facts and not nasty innuendos.


Very true

Point well made, and taken



posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: antar

I am with you antar, I was a bonafide Democrat for most of my life

Although I was generally a conservative Democrat, I was known to vote rather liberally on several issues (of course I define "liberal" as supporting more liberties vs. less)

One thing is for sure, the old rules no longer seem to apply


I often lay awake worrying about what comes next and how far some will go to "resist" the will of the US electorate
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posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Even in the article you link by the right leaning Daily Mail they are showing a positive spin, I think you may have become to embedded in your own spin/bias trying to prove a point regardless of the facts which are (from the article you linked)



After they caught her, she spent most of the following year in a juvenile detention center, leaving when she was 15 - and vowing not to return.


so prior to her 16th birthday, still a child, but lets not show any forgivness

then


'I recognized she had a lot of familial issues,' Camp told MSNBC. 'She basically needed some mentoring and direction, but she had a good heart.' At 17, she left high school to work at a doctor's office before becoming a receptionist at a local women's prison and finally working as an office manager for an accounting firm in Los Angeles. But then she hit a ceiling: higher-up positions required a degree. She returned to Las Vegas, earned a GED, enrolled in her local community college and received a scholarship to the University of Southern California where she decided to study law.


God dam her and her attempt to turn her life around, we dont have a choice what are parents do prior to producing you or I, we also dont have a choice over where we are born, but we do have a choice over who we become, as an outsider looks like she has risen above her expected level, so I say well done to her, but she is only a politician



posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 03:55 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Fair enough, but we're talking about an elected lawmaker. If your background choices disqualify you from legally exercising some Rights, then it should disqualify you from serving in an office which can impact your constituents' exercise of legal Rights.
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posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Better than crony capitalists in office right now, and all sorts of corrupt politicians who had a silver spoon in their mouths their whole life I guess.



posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

Ouch

You mean that system of government and societal structure which gave rise to the most prosperous and powerful nation to exist on Earth, ever?

I think capitalism, which took us into the 21st century as the World's sole super-power has already proven itself. Meanwhile, countries from Venezuela to North Korea to the collapsed USSR and even Cuba show us what happens when socialism/communism creeps into any part of society

The record speaks for itself, regardless of the individual problems posed by unscrupulous politicians. It isn't capitalism's fault that voters keep putting these low-IQ know-nothings in office



posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

You can say the same for China I guess. I mean, they do have the most economic influence on the planet right now in terms of production.

But, as someone stated, shes rather young and has gone almost 180. George Bush was a chronic alcoholic, many presidents weren't saints by far, bneither are a lot of politicians. I wonde how many have abused their status, or lined their pockets of lobbyist gold.



posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 06:08 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

I agree

However, my point was that double standards running rampant here is the problem not to attack Flores for a decades old criminal record. I would like to point out she successfully completely law school and has not (to my knowledge) had any further run ins with the law.

I personally believe she has political motives behind all this Biden business, but as a Trump voter I care very little that the Dem party is self-destructing because of its way-too-big-tent. I don't want to watch it happen, but as a Republican I have no precisely no control over what they do

My post was as much satire as an attempt to point out the blatant double standards. For instance, some feel it is OK to demonize Kavanaugh with mere accusations from 30 years back, while others were offended over me calling out Flores' past convictions (a proven event, vs. mere conjecture)

Again, the intent was not to demonize Flores as her conduct today is what I think she should be judged by. Sure, if she wasn't an elected state official who went through law school and passed the bar I might feel differently, but as it stands it seems she has indeed turned her life around

My entire point is not to pull up 30 year old BS to smear someone and ruin them, especially when it is unprovable allegations. I also have to point out that as an online poster I do not have the power to ruin someone's life, but mobs who descend on congress and disrupt SCOTUS confirmation hearings sure do and try they did!



posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 06:10 PM
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a reply to: UpIsNowDown

It is positive because what she's done with her life has been positive

If Kavanaugh and Biden and Franken and others deserve to be ruined for something that allegedly happened decades ago, then doesn't Flores deserve it too when this is proven vs. mere accusations?

The answer is simple: of course not. None of them deserve to be ruined over the past. None of them

Flores especially, who was convicted of a crime and paid her debt to society.



posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 06:37 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Point taken.

I find it rather disheartening that alot of these young fierce coming up political figures are going for far left or right politics. And the ones going for moderate are lumped into the same.



posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 07:50 PM
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Everyone deserves a second chance. I wouldn't think it right to judge her for a lifestyle she's no longer a part of. Regardless of party affiliation it sounds like she's really turned her life around, more power to her.

I had a friend yrs ago (he has passed on) that went to prison for murder at a early age. After getting out he started helping others involved in gangs and drugs. He touched and changed more lives than anyone I've ever known.

People do and can change for the better.



posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 09:42 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: JBurns

Point taken.

I find it rather disheartening that alot of these young fierce coming up political figures are going for far left or right politics. And the ones going for moderate are lumped into the same.


I couldn't agree more


If our country learns one thing from this stuff, I hope it is that radical policies will attract radical candidates/voters and leave middle America just as alienated as it has been all along

What I wouldn't give for a Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter right now



posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: mtnshredder

Agree with this entirely mtnshredder

I find the contrast between this young lady (who was at least convicted of a crime in a court of law) with Judge Kavanaugh (who was accused by opportunist politicians and criminal lawyers like Avenatti) to be quite illustrative of the double standard

As you and others correctly (in my opinion) observed, people can and do change and better themselves. Lucy Flores is clearly one of those people.

On the bright side (if there is one), Dems may finally realize why pitching such a large tent never works. How maintaining a semblance of sanity and party values actually does still count for something. After all, conservatives passed the First step act helping inmates reform and ex-felons (who paid their debts to society) have been joining the GOP at record numbers. And I think it is great. But in any case, they didn't learn their lesson with Russia or Avenatti, and have once again boxed themselves into the MeToo corner... either they attack Biden and alienate moderate Dems or they don't believe Flores and they alienate progressive Dems

It is a win/win scenario for Republicans, and combined with Russia virtually ensures our 2020 success. But our answer was right all along: "Let the accuser tell their story, listen to it, and judge it by the evidence" Due process was our answer all along, and once again their knee-jerk rush to judgement has hemmed them in to a tiny corner with only 2 real options at this point

Thanks for the reply
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posted on Apr, 2 2019 @ 01:01 AM
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originally posted by: CynConcepts
Are you being serious or is this thread an April Fool's joke?

Lucy is 34 years old now. I would have to give her kudos for pulling up her britches going back for her GED and going to college and getting a law degree. It seems that juvenile detention worked and got her on the right path...away from being a simple gang thug.




Whatever...she went from one kind of theft that carries jail terms to another kind that does not.

The sick pig crack dealer who addicted thousands of kids then learned while in jail how to start white-collar criminal operations and used his drug money to start MyPillow is another one of these losers....they just graduate to white collar crime which carries lower punative actions.
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posted on Apr, 2 2019 @ 06:24 AM
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a reply to: JBurns




somehow made it into and through law school


I dont know anything about this person. But...

Gangs will often send their best and brightest off to careers in legal/law enforcement/justice sector, as it is a useful connection for the gang.

And of course I don't trust the Dems. Theyre obviously in cahoots with the Mexican Cartels.

But, again, I cant speak for this particular individual whom I know nothing of except ahat youve told me and that she is a Biden accuser. Her credentials should raise an eyebrow, I'll give you that.

And I agree that we need to get tougher on gangs. Much tougher. Gang membership SHOULD disqualify you from politics. You've already sworn an oath to another organization and you cant serve two masters. I feel the same way about Knights of Malta, Dual Citizens, Masons, or anyone with a superceding allegiance. If you cant put American as your #1 allegiance, you dont belong in the halls of political power.

EDIT- I know youre here to defend Biden, so, I figured I should say something. What he did, on camera, is inappropriate but not criminal. I don't really like Obamas sidekick and I may disagree with his politics, but, I apply the same standards to each person, so, if we can have Trump in office with his sometimes inappropriate behavior, we can have Biden too. Im not saying Ill vote for him, but I believe other people should be able to vote for him if they would like to. Assuming this whole BidenGate thing doesnt lead to something much worse than hair sniffing and pawing, which it just might...
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posted on Apr, 2 2019 @ 07:35 AM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: CynConcepts

Full disclosure, it is a form of satire

I really don't think you understand satire.



posted on Apr, 2 2019 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

???????
No doubt the Left has gone beyond Nuclear Retard levels, but this is a good indication that the Right is not to far behind them.

Hypocrisy and the stupidity clearly does not discriminate and both the left and the right have been blinded by it.

So a person that didn't have the support system at home as a child managed to dig herself out of that lifestyle and made something out of herself and that's a bad thing?



FML, we are doomed by these two parties

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