Meet Lucy Flores - gang banger, convicted criminal, HS drop-out

a reply to: CynConcepts

Kavanaugh too?

a reply to: JBurns

Is Biden a Gangbanger Lover?

I need a scorecard to figure out the Democrats Morality threshold.

Blackface----ok, especially if you are a Democratic Governor.

Hate Crimes--- OK to file a false one as long as Trump made you do it.

Sexual harassment ----I have no idea what the criteria is. I'm going to need a ruling from the DNC National Committee so I can tell what is acceptable.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: CynConcepts

Kavanaugh too?

My post history here will show that I have defended Kavanaugh and Trump too. That's why I thought your thread was simply an April Fools joke.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: JBurns

This shows that Joe Biden doesn't discriminate.

He believes in equal opportunities 😎

Biden is a viable competitor for Kamala Harris 😎

She has expert crisis managers on her campaign payroll 😎

a reply to: CynConcepts

Full disclosure, it is a form of satire intended to highlight the absurdity of beating folks over the head with decades old BS. My own post history will demonstrate this belief

As a Trump voter, I have no real concern for Joe Biden other than the principles of dealing with issues in the here and now and not digging up old crap to use against them

Yet it always seems when this happens to a Republicans it is A-OK, but when it happens to a Dem or socialist it is "Woah, off limits!"

And as far as Kavanaugh goes, I thank you for your own integrity/objectiveness on that. You are clearly not part of the group I am railing against. I apologize if I painted too broad of strokes here. I essentially wanted to highlight (through a provocative writing style) the very points you brought up

And just to clarify if I have not already, going to law school and turning your life around IS a mitigating factor for such a history. Look at Kavanaugh as just another example, even if he truly were guilty of what was alleged, shouldn't his entire adult life been a mitigating factor as well? I certainly think so. And by your own statements (not to put words in your mouth) it seems you may agree with that as well

I am just sick of double standards being thrown around. From the email BS, to the Mueller probe, to Kavanaugh, Smollet and so many others. Even Joe Biden, as much as I disagree with his politics (and think Trump will beat him in a general) bringing up old stuff like this when it is clearly political is wrong. And I knew that for every person who defended Flores' allegations against Biden, there would be someone to admonish my own OP regarding her own questionable history (but otherwise exemplary conduct as an adult, from what I can tell)

The only difference here is what I wrote is not an allegation. These are established facts, and yet some will find fault in publishing them while finding no fault in the double standards constantly thrown at our people

a reply to: JBurns

Lol @ this entire OP. You seem like a person with such a great backbone...you'd never allow anyone with a criminal background to serve his/her country? If you're going to dig up one background, you might as well dig them all up.

a reply to: JBurns

Keep to higher ground. No reason to lower your integrity and imitate fools. Doing so, only benefits them to use your thread as a whataboutism.

a reply to: JBurns

im not much of a "leftist" and even I think its dumb to drudge up 30 year old crap to make people defend.

I am running out of ideas to convey the urgency and seriousness of these types of attacks.

If any single one of us were put under the microscope I am sure some less than ideal things would come out. I sure know mine would, along with any other human being I know. The double standards have got to stop though, they are eroding faith in our justice system and even our system of government that can not be easily repaired.

Think of the folks after Waco who (still to this day) do not trust government and law enforcement.. Now imagine that on a national scale and that is what we have today. We are headed for bad times and this kind of stuff only hastens/exacerbates an already bad situation.

For goodness sakes, unscrupulous MSM and malicious politicians had 30-something percent of this country believing our Commander in Chief was an agent of the Russian government. Faith in our government, faith in our systems/institutions and faith in ourselves is at a low point I would have not imagined possible even 5 years ago and so long as false equivalencies are perpetuated, whataboutism commonplace and speculation-driven-media is consumed these problems will only get worse.

Every time a Nationalist (who may or may not be white) is intentionally conflated with a "White Supremacist" the country is harmed

Every time someone pushes an unproven narrative as fact (vs. speculation/commentary) the country is harmed

Every time old allegations are brought up and someone is ruined without due process of law or being afforded their Constitutional protections the country is harmed

Every time a group tries to justify an attack on the Constitution because it is politically expedient or best-signals-their-virtues the country is harmed

Every time antifa/socialists/etc are defended because they called the people they were attacking "fascists" or "racists" the country is harmed

Every time a hit-job about someone you don't like goes unopposed, the country is harmed

..and every time someone is angry over a political loss and blames every issue under the Sun except their own faults/missteps the country is harmed!

These "harms" add up, and will soon become irreparable. And then what? The what is easy to guess. And the fact such speculation has become so commonplace only highlights the urgency here. When civil war and chaos become the prevailing narrative, it is a slippery slope down to the bottom. In other countries and indeed our own during the 1850s and 60s this kind of thing can become a self fulfilling prophecy and I shutter to think what that would look like in the 21st century. Nothing good!

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: JBurns

Lol @ this entire OP. You seem like a person with such a great backbone...you'd never allow anyone with a criminal background to serve his/her country? If you're going to dig up one background, you might as well dig them all up.

My point exactly.

So why do so many think it was acceptable to attack Kavanaugh? We both know why.. because some unethical politician knew what his accession to the court meant for their "progressive agenda" and they openly admitted that stopping him "at any cost" was the overriding concern.

The Kavanaugh debacle had nothing to do with justice or integrity and every thing to do with a hit job orchestrated by Feinstein and company along with unscrupulous far left figures (like Avenatti). The only way they could have made the hearing LESS credible was to bring in some fool like Gloria Allred or Lanny Davis

And yes if we are going to dig up one background, might as well dig them all up. But the thing is, Moore, Kavanaugh, and many others have ALREADY had their stuff dug up. These aren't criminal convictions, they aren't demonstrably true... they were ACCUSATIONS alone! That can't be undone

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: CynConcepts

I see... so when somebody brings up issues about a left winger from 10-20-30 years ago it is off limits? But when leftists want to target Republicans with 40 year old BS it is fair game?

Double standards

Thank you for illustrating my point

And lets look at her history as a NV assemblywoman. What was the last law she advocated for that targets gangs and criminals? Knowing MS-13 is comprised largely of illegal aliens, when did she work toward legislation that makes it harder for illegals to enter the country?

obviously your point is clear, that you don't think people can change, or better themselves, or become something different. you speak in such absolutes, and sound like a truly bitter individual, and I'm sorry for that. maybe you could put this energy into other aspects like bettering your own life. you sound just like a cop, probably are one too. on that note, why don't you go beat your street.

originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: JBurns

Keep to higher ground. No reason to lower your integrity and imitate fools. Doing so, only benefits them to use your thread as a whataboutism.

Yeah you are right CynConcepts I just do not know how to get through to them

Using logical/legal/Constitutional arguments has so far failed, trying to lay things out in plain English have failed, using hypothetical arguments have failed... I really am at a loss here

I try not to go down the same path as those I am criticizing, but dang it I am running out of ideas here. To this day there are still those who attack Trump over some tone-deaf idiotic comments he made on that Access Hollywood tape. There are still those who insist Judge Kav. is some kind of "predator" There are still those who claim Trump "colluded" with Russia against the United States. There are still people actively digging up BS to use against others politically (Biden and ohers) and there are still those who defend the actions of antifa and the like while (rightfully) attacking groups like neo-Nazi and KKK groups

a reply to: JBurns

I'll only say the fact that she was a gang banger with a record speaks a lot more about the Nevadans who voted her into political office than it does about her accusations against Biden.

a reply to: JBurns

I am so beyond concerned for America and specifically anything related to a moral compass... you know I was once considered an open-minded individual who voted only my conscience... now a conservative... as the physical poles shift so too it appears the physical/mental planes of humanity.

a reply to: gunshooter

obviously your point is clear, that you don't think people can change, or better themselves, or become something different.

Actually, this is quite the opposite of what I believe. If you read my post in a vacuum, I can see how you would arrive at that conclusion however. By pointing this out, those who did attack Trump, Kavanaugh, Moore, etc. are only reinforcing the point I am making - that is OK to use past mistakes (allegations of mistakes, in most cases) against someone if they're a conservative but suddenly unacceptable when it is anybody else

When Neo-Nazi and KKK commit acts of violence or cause civil unrest, it has to be called out/condemend. But when antifa/far left radicals/socialists/communists commit acts of violence or cause civil unrest, it has to be excused and Shhh don't bring that up!

When Hillary deletes 30,000 emails on a server subject to a federal search warrant..that's OK! When she's told in advance there is a search warrant (vs. having her door knocked in at 4AM like Stone, Manafort and others) by a handful of provably-pro-Clinton FBI agents that is perfectly OK, right? When those same agents start an investigation (ahem.. "insurance policy") against Trump, that too is OK. But when Barr, for example, releases a summary of Mueller's report he can't be trusted because...because why? You guessed it, demonstrated pro-Trump beliefs! I guess those pro-candidate beliefs are only not a problem when it is pro-Hillary or anti-Trump. But God forbid when the tables are turned...

truly bitter individual, and I'm sorry for that. maybe you could put this energy into other aspects like bettering your own life.

You are damn right I'm bitter. After the past 2 years I have every right to be. The double standards are out of control

you sound just like a cop, probably are one too. on that note, why don't you go beat your street.

Oh I see what you did there

Close..Retired, actually. And FYI the only "beating" I ever did was the one I walked. In fact, you would have been hard pressed to find someone who would give you a fairer shake and looked at the circumstances as a whole instead of what was written in black and white

But keep painting all LEO the same way, your own bias toward police is a shining example of the double standard. But let a police officer show one ounce of not being a perfect human being and I bet you would be all over them

Real nice

originally posted by: JBurns

originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: JBurns

Keep to higher ground. No reason to lower your integrity and imitate fools. Doing so, only benefits them to use your thread as a whataboutism.

Yeah you are right CynConcepts

I just do not know how to get through to them

Using logical/legal/Constitutional arguments has so far failed, trying to lay things out in plain English have failed, using hypothetical arguments have failed... I really am at a loss here

I try not to go down the same path as those I am criticizing, but dang it I am running out of ideas here. To this day there are still those who attack Trump over some tone-deaf idiotic comments he made on that Access Hollywood tape. There are still those who insist Judge Kav. is some kind of "predator" There are still those who claim Trump "colluded" with Russia against the United States. There are still people actively digging up BS to use against others politically (Biden and ohers) and there are still those who defend the actions of antifa and the like while (rightfully) attacking groups like neo-Nazi and KKK groups

There will always be those who will not change, but they are truly the minority. The majority are not so extreme. Ask yourself: is Trump our President? Is Kavanaugh a supreme court judge? Ect.

Obviously, the minority are loud and obnoxious...but the majority keep silently winning based on real facts and not nasty innuendos.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

i was hired to manage a holiday inn express several years back. the engineer was a dude that had spent 18 years in San Quentin for murder. He was tatted from just below his chin to his fingertips. His murder was related to his gang affiliation.

When I met him he was a calm and insightful middle aged man. Would I have hired him? Not in a million years. But since i inherited him, i was stuck. And I was happy to have been stuck. He is easily one of the best employees I have ever had. IHG (the holiday inn express parent company) had inspectors come in and rave about how thorough he was in his tracking of maintenance items. The dude had 15 binders full of checklists, etc, that he used to keep track of what he had to do, and had done.

I’m not sure I agree. Just because Kavanaugh likely was innocent doesn’t mean everyone is. The standard should be innocent until proven guilty, fairness, not “believing all women,” and due process for all.

Knowing that false accusations exist is not the same as dismissing all accusations.
a reply to: theatreboy

Don’t get me wrong, unlike a lot of people I’m well aware that politicians and others sometimes weaponize feminism, race, social justice, and sexual assault accusations.
a reply to: JBurns