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originally posted by: dug88
originally posted by: BrianFlanders
I think what really needs to be said about all this is that when you look at historical figures (especially ones that died ages ago) they were all products of their times. And whatever their politics and ideals, their contribution to history eventually brought us to where we are today.
The kind of racism that existed in those days is long gone in the US and Jefferson's contributions to the future helped make that happen (whether he meant to or not).
There's that...and the fact that not a single person complaining about any of this today has ever been a slave and likely has zero actual idea of what slavery is.
originally posted by: Specimen
Didn't Obama say he had the Quran in his bedroom, which supposedly identifies with all the 76 genders somehow?
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: Lumenari
Actually, it was illegal for him to free his slaves.
Virginia laws forbid it.
From 1782 onward manumission was completely legal in Virginia, the previous law required you to receive approval from the state government.
originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Cancerwarrior
Why not? Was slavery, rape, murder, pedophilia, and other atrocities okay because standards of past societies accepted it?
Those standards weren't okay for the people suffering such acts. I'm not saying we should erase history, but to i would not say that Jefferson or other slave owners were "good" men because slavery was legal.
Now if one threw their sh!t in the street, I'm not going to judge them because that was a custom back in the day. However, I believe there are universal principles of right and wrong. Inflicting suffering on others for the benefit of oneself has always been wrong.
And if we don't have some set of universal principles, then we are just slaves to the whims of society. Blowing in any direction that society decides.
originally posted by: Bluntone22
I think its time for the federal government to put an end to this situation.
Offer anyone with African ancestry a free ticket home to their country of origin.
A one time pass accompanied with a formal renouncing of their American citizenships.
A chance to return to the paradise they long for.
A final nail in the coffin.
This will be a boat ticket in the hold of a cargo ship too. No flights so as to stear clear of any risk of cultural appropriation of flight in white culture.
We could even do a one for one exchange for Mexican citizens. Keep the population where it is that way.
So now Jefferson is not only a racist, but a rapist, a murderer, and a pedophile. Do you people actually listen to yourselves
Slavery has always existed as long as humans have been around. That’s a fact.
This is a point of stupid. Hitler didn't own Slaves, neither did Stalin, Chairman Mao, Berndt Andreas Baader, or Horst Mahler. I guess these "so-called-progressives" should just put up and defend statues to those guys instead of people that made positive changes to the world.
Why don't they go after Italy's statues of the Roman Emperors? They could go and demand that these statues get torn down, while wearing their sweat-shop made, mass produced clothes all while streaming on their mass produced slave labor electronic devices. It would be a great "meme of hypocracy"
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