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Trump cuts all direct assistance to Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala

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posted on Mar, 30 2019 @ 11:53 PM
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People who think U.S. aide money is given for the "people" of a country are sadly mistaken. The graff goes to the bought and paid for/installed politicians while the actual left over money is a credit to purchase American arms or at least that is the way it used to be.

I was involved with some Russian aircraft that were top of the line and could be purchased for 4 million a piece with spare engines.. An F-16 was going for 16 million back then to the country I was talking to. They were told flat out "No" even though they could buy 4 aircraft for one USA F-16.. Do the Russian aircraft and risk losing their deal/aide with America..

Welcome to the real world




posted on Mar, 31 2019 @ 12:00 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

Well, its good theyre not getting that money anymore then, right?



posted on Mar, 31 2019 @ 05:43 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Trueman




Very well done President Trump. Why should we give money to the main source of illegals.

Because cutting aid money will make their countries better and stem the flow of migrants looking for a better life....brilliant plan.



Time for them to take responsibility for themselves.
The money sent has been nothing but a waste.

Very strange civilization



posted on Mar, 31 2019 @ 05:45 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Trueman

So the worlds largest economy can't afford to give a few crumbs from the table and spend money on their own , seems the problem lies with your own government not the world's poorest nations.

The black budget is an account expenses and spending related to military research and covert operations. The black budget is mostly classified due to security reasons. The black budget can be complicated to calculate, but in the United States it has been estimated to be over US$50 billion a year
en.wikipedia.org...




The u.s. gives a few crumbs to everyone....

There is a reason why they are the poorest nations and these people need to start taking responsibility for their own civilization



posted on Mar, 31 2019 @ 08:49 AM
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a reply to: Trueman>>> Trump's right yet again. I don't give him credit for being a genius, he just sees what normal, rational, thinking people see and sees it as a way to boost his reputation by making obvious decisions that make sense. And if over a million have crossed the border this year, the low ball estimate of 12 million illegals living here is just that much more absurd. Its well over 20 million, closer to 30 million like some estimates.



posted on Mar, 31 2019 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: Dutchowl
a reply to: Trueman>>> Trump's right yet again. I don't give him credit for being a genius, he just sees what normal, rational, thinking people see and sees it as a way to boost his reputation by making obvious decisions that make sense. And if over a million have crossed the border this year, the low ball estimate of 12 million illegals living here is just that much more absurd. Its well over 20 million, closer to 30 million like some estimates.



The reality is, there is no way to actually know how many are here, or for that matter how many come in any given time frame.

They say over 4000 were detained one day last week. How many crossed that weren't detained, because they avoided detection?
Another 1500? 2000?

There is really no way to tell with any degree of accuracy.



posted on Mar, 31 2019 @ 10:18 AM
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a reply to: Mach2

Let's say that a few thousand did make it through undetected. And keep in mind, not all of the illegal aliens are coming through our southern border. How are they managing to live in our country? How are they managing to get bank accounts, drivers licenses, register their cars, hold jobs? How can five or six men, none seeming to speak good engish, all driving cars registered out of state manage to rent a house in virginia? Hold jobs? Heck, I couldn't do much of that when I first moved here and I am a native born American. You need a local address to do this or that. Or You needed a job which you couldn't have without this or that. They didn't want to hire you without this or that. Couldn't get a bank account. And much of the block where put into place through state law.
In plain simple words, maybe if our own citizens would follow the laws and those laws were a tad bit more strictly enforce people wouldn't be so anxious to come in illegally.
And it seems rather ironic the a president so set on keeping them from entering seems to have not had a problem hiring them once they are here!
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posted on Mar, 31 2019 @ 11:03 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Mach2

Let's say that a few thousand did make it through undetected. And keep in mind, not all of the illegal aliens are coming through our southern border. How are they managing to live in our country? How are they managing to get bank accounts, drivers licenses, register their cars, hold jobs? How can five or six men, none seeming to speak good engish, all driving cars registered out of state manage to rent a house in virginia? Hold jobs? Heck, I couldn't do much of that when I first moved here and I am a native born American. You need a local address to do this or that. Or You needed a job which you couldn't have without this or that. They didn't want to hire you without this or that. Couldn't get a bank account. And much of the block where put into place through state law.
In plain simple words, maybe if our own citizens would follow the laws and those laws were a tad bit more strictly enforce people wouldn't be so anxious to come in illegally.
And it seems rather ironic the a president so set on keeping them from entering seems to have not had a problem hiring them once they are here!


I would point out that things have changed, to a large degree the past few years, particularly in more liberal states, as far as being able to get documentation, and government benifits.

It's pretty obvious to me, that an illegal, in CA, for example has few impediments to work, tax funded medical care, etc. I don't think any rational person can argue that. The situation varies, not only by state, but also by municipality. I can't speak to Virginia, but most employers in FL, require a SS card as a condition for employment. That's fairly easy to circumvent. Illegals are often caught driving with no license, or insurance. They spend a night in jail, and released, moreso because local authorities dont want the expense of keeping them, rather than political considerations. If, however, they are arrested for a violent crime, including domestic abuse, they are almost always deported, even if they have a work visa.

That brings me to your point about Trump employing illegals. Ive never seen proof of any such case. Did he take advantage of low wage foreign workers, and push their permits through the syrem? I would say yes, but if you don't like the system, change it. Don't blame the business man that takes advantage of it.

With that, i seguey to a suggestion that will put the brakes on employment of illegals. While E-verify is a start, I doubt it will be very effective without penalties. Employers should be finedfor employing illegals, and jailed for repeated offenses. I understand this will lead tovlegal battles, but if an employer has to shell out 10s of thousands of dollars for legal fees, he will think twice about doing it again.

I have zero problem with legal immigration, or people working here going through the proper procedure.
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posted on Mar, 31 2019 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Mach2

Let's say that a few thousand did make it through undetected. And keep in mind, not all of the illegal aliens are coming through our southern border. How are they managing to live in our country? How are they managing to get bank accounts, drivers licenses, register their cars, hold jobs? How can five or six men, none seeming to speak good engish, all driving cars registered out of state manage to rent a house in virginia? Hold jobs? Heck, I couldn't do much of that when I first moved here and I am a native born American. You need a local address to do this or that. Or You needed a job which you couldn't have without this or that. They didn't want to hire you without this or that. Couldn't get a bank account. And much of the block where put into place through state law.
In plain simple words, maybe if our own citizens would follow the laws and those laws were a tad bit more strictly enforce people wouldn't be so anxious to come in illegally.
And it seems rather ironic the a president so set on keeping them from entering seems to have not had a problem hiring them once they are here!


They have networks and people that help them. First off most illegals don't have a lisc.or insurance but still drive, they're already illegal, so why bother. Although, many don't drive. Some states I believe even provide legal driving lisc.( but not certain). In the town I lived in in Co the DMV was selling them licenses until they got busted and brought up on charges. They also steal Lisc. plates to appear legal.

There's people that do all this for them, that's why you see them packed in vehicles, especially going to work. As far as jobs most work under the table or have fake or stolen SS#'s which companies don't find out about until tax time. They also use cash checking places that play the game to cash their checks.

As far as housing there are safe house everywhere in the states. I rented a 2 bedroom apt. in Colorado a couple of months later a latino couple moved in next door in a matter of weeks they had left and had 26 illegals living there. They were very quite but eventually we noticed what was up, told management and INS was there in a day. These type safe houses are everywhere across the country.

What you see as being difficult is rather easy for them with the network of help they have, i.e.; churches, organizations, there's people in Mexico that actually teach them the do's and don'ts of how to screw the system in America. After forty yrs of working with illegals and living in a few sanctuary states I've seen and heard it all.

You seem to be under the impression that these are upstanding and law abiding people, like most US citizens, they're not, they will do whatever it takes to get by, even if it means screwing you and our country over. I could tell you countless stories of unlawful and criminal incidents that they skate on, but citizens like you and me would be hung for.
I've personally been in a accident with them, had a few co-workers that have had cars and trucks totaled by illegals, none of them had insurance. Worst of all was a friends daughter raped by an illegal that was never found or brought to justice. I've seen nothing good become of illegal immigrants. The fraud they commit to abuse our welfare systems would piss you off to no end if you knew the truth.
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posted on Mar, 31 2019 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: Mach2

Virginia was one of the first ones to close up some of the holes in the systems after 9-11. Trying to get my son a learners permit took a over a month, about four trips to the DMV, and me kind of conspiring with my boss to get him proof of residence.
Things weren't as difficult in north Carolina and that house that was rented our to the five or six men had a few cars parked at night all with no Carolina plates on them.
Coming up awith some standardized policies in the federal level, on of them being mandatory evarify might help.
And while I would disagree with posing stiff penalties on every employer who might have had an illegal worker hired on undetected. I think there are some blatant infractions our in the open that are being ignored by choice.
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posted on Mar, 31 2019 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Trueman




Very well done President Trump. Why should we give money to the main source of illegals.

Because cutting aid money will make their countries better and stem the flow of migrants looking for a better life....brilliant plan.

It’s not our job to make those countries better. That is a lie of globalists and international socialists to make us think if we only give money to all these people it will make things bette. This is a false premise. If giving them money was making it better, then why the mass exodus ?



posted on Mar, 31 2019 @ 02:07 PM
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I don’t know why Soros doesn’t just use his money to help stabilize these countries instead if given money to the caravans to come and crash our borders.. oh wait I do know the answer... it’s to destabilize America and turn it into a socialist utopia ( I mean wasteland).



posted on Mar, 31 2019 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: gortex

Look man, I know you just want to help poor people in other countries but we can't afford that right now. There is a lot of poor people right here that needs to be attended first, like those homeless veterans.


Just out of curiosity, why do you single out veterans, when you make that statement? Are they, somehow, more deserving than any other homeless person?

I agree that we have more problems, than money, and we certainly don't need to import more. Just trying to assess why you put that qualifier in there.


Veterans in every country should come first because they served their countries and risked their lives for their countries
and in the USA they have a day


Veterans Day (originally known as Armistice Day) is an official United States public holiday observed annually on November 11, honoring military veterans, that is, persons who have served in the United States Armed Forces.


if they have a day called for them then they should be treated as such and respected, must be served like how they served and should be honored, given priority and so on, its called returning back favor.



posted on Mar, 31 2019 @ 02:54 PM
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So he is not wanting to send aid to those countries.

However, there are consequences for those actions and ultimately, it may have been a bit cheaper in the long run to keep up the foreign aid than to cut it.

So the US creates a vacuum there, removes the money, then what happens when say Russia or China move in, is that going to be something that we want to trade for?

Both Russia and China are known to trade with other countries, especially those that do not like the USA. And usually one of the end results would be military bases that are sitting in said countries, all the while doing join exercises. So is the country safer with immigrants flowing, or a military base that will house men and equipment and refusing to leave all from countries who view the USA as an enemy who needs to be contained?

If you do not think that this could happen, then perhaps looking at Cuba, that is reopening a Russian base, and Venezuela that is on the verge of allowing for one to be opened on its own soil that Russia will occupy and help pacify the country, all the while looking for more opportunities to increase its presence in the region. And 3 countries that are closer would be very tempting targets, maybe help deal with the problems that was exported by the US to those countries, and pacify them and then become the hero all the while making the US look bad and at the same time work on other countries in the region.



posted on Mar, 31 2019 @ 04:53 PM
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Heck, I don't have the answers, but it seems to me a BIG step towards solving the problem of illegal immigration would be to cease with the dual language requirements being foisted upon us. Isn't it a requirement of LEGAL immigration to be able to read, write, and speak the English language? If so, then why are we effectively catering to people who cannot comply with those requirements? The illegals who cannot read, write, nor speak English would be isolated and effectively contained outside of USA society. I don't want to have to press a key on my phone to prove that I am a bonafide USA citizen. What does someone pressing any other key admitting to?

Callous? Maybe. But so what? Aren't illegal immigrants being quite callous in their regards to us and our laws? We are dealing with people who are breaking the law, and in the process helping to drive this country to it's knees by bleeding us dry for their own purposes. Selfish of me to have this view? Perhaps. But how so is it that someone entering this country illegally is not even more selfish with their intended goals? Do you really think they give a crap that they are taking OUR money from being spent on things that would better serve the USA and it's citizens?

How far is this country in debt? Lots! And getting more so every day. We quite simply just cannot afford to turn a blind eye to a state of affairs that is being an illegal drain on this country that is unsustainable. And it SHOULD be preventable if laws on the books were just enforced as they should be. Yes, the USA does have a RIGHT to protect it's borders and in so doing protect it's citizens from the predator goals of illegal immigration.

Sanctuary from their own governments? So how is that our responsibility? If they don't like the government they have, then change it. That is THEIR responsibility. No country on earth can survive the totality of their entire population just saying "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!"


IMHO.



posted on Mar, 31 2019 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: Trueman

Are you actually going to follow this up and see what that money is used for?



posted on Mar, 31 2019 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: Mach2

I'm sure someone answered this and this is a repeat, but it's worth the repeat.

Yes, homeless veterans are more deserving than the other homeless. Homeless veterans put their lives on the line for our nation and our interests, but we've abandoned them.



posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 05:22 AM
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originally posted by: mtnshredder

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: gortex

Look man, I know you just want to help poor people in other countries but we can't afford that right now. There is a lot of poor people right here that needs to be attended first, like those homeless veterans.


Just out of curiosity, why do you single out veterans, when you make that statement? Are they, somehow, more deserving than any other homeless person?

I agree that we have more problems, than money, and we certainly don't need to import more. Just trying to assess why you put that qualifier in there.


Maybe like me he is a vet. Maybe he also supports wounded and disable veterans organizations. I do.



My question was, should veterans get preferential treatment as it pertains to dealing with the homeless situation? There are homeless women and children as well.



There's absolutely NO reason in a rich country like the US, that Vets, women and children that need help shouldn't be receiving it. We have plenty of money to take care of all these people that need help. It comes down to priorities.

I look at things like the millions of dollars Dems have spent on this Russia BS for the last few yrs (and they're not done yet)
The 100K Booze and food bill that Pelosi ran up in 1yr on in-flight services alone and etc......
And on and on it goes with the superfluous spending by Republicans, Democrats and the Military.
There's a lot of money being wasted that could be better spent helping the less fortunate citizens of our country.

It's repulsive to me that anyone should be hungry and homeless in this country, while our elected officials are vacationing on a yacht somewhere in the Bahamas having Caviar and Champagne with the finest hookers our money can buy.


Not one migrant looked malnourished, they all looked well fed and many a bit porky.

And no the u.s. or any other country doesnt have the money to take care of a minimum of 3 countries.

3 countries fleeing will overwhelm any system.

Close the freaking border, how more rude and arrogant can these people be?
They dont care about Rules or laws



posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 07:00 AM
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a reply to: Trueman

he could save infinitely more by cutting funding to other countries in the middle east than in south america



posted on Apr, 1 2019 @ 07:21 AM
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My biggest gripe about having to chose what language I want to speak is that if they really wanted to be fair, there would have to be a long list of options. And school would probably have to double their faculty in some cities to accommodate all the different languages spoken by the immigrants living in their cities.
I don't believe that your argument making our deficits a point to justify stripping funds from any item in our budget as being valid at this point. They aren't taken funds for the purpose of reducing the budget. The are doing it to lessen the impact of all money they stripped from the revenue stream when they passed those great tax breaks that mostly went into the pockets of the rich and famous. They are doing it so they can make the balance sheet look at least a little better when they spend even more to do the things they want to do.
When they are saying that that want to take funds our of special education services, books for the blind, and other services for our special needs children and adults its because they want to divert it to charter schools and bigger salaries for themselves not because they are concerned about the budget. When they say they want to stop the hurricane relief funds to Puerto Rico its probably because they want to divert those funds to thier wall and not reduce that budget.
If they cared about the budget they would be actually cutting spending. And my guess is that we could let them but the heck out of whatever they wanted and theyd still be spending more money.
As far as weather we have a responsibility to them or not well I don't know. I am just speaking what is moral and right in my opinion here but it seems that if the state they are currently in is the result of our previous meddling then yes I think we would have a moral responsibility to help fix what we helped break. I just don't know to what extent we have meddled. But I do know that we have played a pretty big role in the conditions that have caused the mass movement of middle eastern refugees. It seems like Europe has its hands full dealing with cleaning up that mess. So well maybe we can at least help clean up our own backyard??
By the way, viruses and bacteria don't recognize borders. A mass of people gathered at our border in slum conditions just sounds like a great bacterial and virus factory.







 
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