Trump can not Win in 2020, He will be a one term President

a reply to: AlienView

lol, he was never supposed to win the 2016 election either

College is free, if you are really smart/work hard...it's called scholarships, giving stupid people free college just to say you give people free college only benefits one group. The colleges who, then can collect whatever tuition they want.

IF free healthcare is so important, why do more people leave countries with free healthcare and come to america, then american's go to countries with free health care.

a reply to: Mach2
Not sure where everyone is going with this, but I contend that pre-election polls showed that it was a race, especially internal polling. The poll said showing that Trump had a real chance were not pushed in public. They simply weren’t.

As far as before and after the Republican convention, you are exactly right. The Democrats supported Donald Trump before and gave him the hatchet afterwards. It was known to some as the ‘pied piper’ plan, they did what they could to get him (they thought he was a buffoon that couldn’t possibly beat Hillary) to win the nomination so that they had an easy candidate to beat.
I am glad it backfired on them.

a reply to: AlienView

You Receive an F- for such an incorrect and misinformed Post . The President if he chooses to run for Reelection will Win by a Landslide . Liberals are STILL a Minority in this Country , Believe it or Not . Their Political Will Pales in Comparison to Middle American Conservatism . Shoo....

This is a problem with democrats and RINO's. No matter how they try they are unable to see the big picture so they rely on fake news from CNN or MSNBC etc to make their moronic decisions.
a reply to: AlienView

Son, you're dreaming. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

Here's why Trump will soundly win in 2020:

• Even here in the Deep South, there was some support for Hillary in 2016. No more. Trump has revitalized the economy and is trying to do something about illegal immigration, and he has also removed the hated individual mandate on Obamacare. I wouldn't be surprised to see his base here go from 70-something % in 2016 to 90+% in 2020.
  
• In more leftist locations (New England and the Left Coast), I am hearing reports that for every supporter disillusioned with him, he's picked up 3-5 new supporters.
  
• He almost won the popular vote last time... and this time, we have some of the more leftist-leaning states like Colorado requiring their electors to vote with the majority. That means Colorado could actually vote for Trump even if everyone in it screamed for the Democrat. He'll likely get the majority this time. No conservative states have implemented such a law.
  
• The scandals that have been exposed during his tenure thus far all put the DNC in a bad light for the average person:
  • Jussie Smollett faking a hate crime and getting off Scot-free.
    
  • The DNC purposely trying to ruin Brett Kavanaugh's life, not just his nomination for Justice.
    
  • Michael Avernatti... too many scandals to list.
    
  • The Mueller report effectively exonerates Trump (despite saying it doesn't), even after three years of clamoring how Trump is colluding with Russia and obstructing justice... that's egg on CNN's and MSNBC's face.
• ISIS' caliphate is destroyed. Most of the troops in Syria are coming home.
  
• Major fixes to the VA.
  
• People have JOBS, and wages are starting to rise.
  
• NAFTA is history (what the replacement will do is certainly yet to be seen, but at least it has a chance of working better).
  
• The DNC is preaching values opposite to what most people believe in:
  • Universal government-controlled heathcare.
    
  • Universal Basic Income.
    
  • College for all, for free.
    
  • Restricting meat consumption.
    
  • Restricting energy use.
    
  • Open borders.
    
  • Aliens voting.
    
  • More government intrusion.
    
  • Massive tax increases.
    
  • A two-tiered justice system.

Trump has the election. It's over. If the DNC starts minding its Ps and Qs today, they might... might have a shot at the Presidency in 2036.

TheRedneck

a reply to: AlienView

Be careful about predictions of Trump's demise:

a reply to: TheRedneck

Good to hear from you Redneck.

I'm from the deepest south, South Florida. A place so far south, it's Yankee, and the story is the same here.

This "battleground" swing state has definitely swung Trump's way. The economy has had a decicive boost, to the point where even once steadfast never Trumpers have seen the light.

Lifelong democrats are either planning to vote Republican this time around, or just staying home due to the socialist platform the leftist whackjobs have adopted.

The large Jewish community, that normally vote democrat, regardless of candidate, feel insulted by the dems refusal to denounce anti semitism.

The democratic party has played it wrong almost every step of the way.

The one exception I can see, is the Republicans failure to find a viable alternative to "Obamacare". Many ppl, even moderates, and independents, who are not crazy about a "Medicare for all" system, think it is better than what we have now.

Everybody thought the same thing in 2016 but that's okay you do you. Dems got no one to coalesce their party it's too fractured and caters to the extreme fringe elements that don't agree with the larger volume moderate democrats. LOL whoever they nominate will be forced to appease the fringe, and come election day their voter turnout and tally will be flat

Here’s the thing, I agree with you that a lot of basic liberal causes have merit, from historic environmentalism to increasing health care access. Also, for a long time it was liberals who more pushed for things like lgbt rights.

However, as you noted a lot of the more extreme rhetoric growing on the left IS pushing a lot of people away. Sjws, extreme identity politics, calling everyone racist, fascist, or sexist, post modernism, virulent anti west or anti white views, etc.

I think that trump’s support has grown. Is that enough to win the next election? I don’t know relative to whoever will run against him.
a reply to: AlienView

originally posted by: DBCowboy

Free healthcare, free college, free money. . . those aren't liberal causes, those are communist party platforms.

Nice try, Lenin!

If they really wanted to do something with education then extend high school by 2 years where based on your performance and desires you go to a trade type school with maybe small business education or you go full academics into a needed career field with follow-on education is on you.

Imo, the only way Trump will not win is if the economy collapses again from the ongoing debt crisis. Even then I still think he has a very strong chance at winning in 2020. Trump is on the same point on the political spectrum as JFK. The difference being JFK was considered far left and Trump is considered far right. If JFK were president today he'd also be considered far right. That's how far the political spectrum has shifted left since JFK's time. There are more Trump supporters now then before his election & people now understand that all mainstream media is just fake news. Trump is not a racist, neither are the majority of his supporters. Opinion polls show he has more support now then before he was elected. He has also delivered on most of his campaign promises unlike most career politicians.

It's an unpopular sentiment here thus only 3 stars for OP, one of which I gave but I think he'll be proven right despite all of your strongly worded and well written replies laying out the myriad of reasons that he's wrong about the President. You're for the President, you want him to win a second term.

You're basically all in for your team if you compare it to a football game. Superbowl or bust regardless of anything, fans basically. Do you think anyone switches sides shortly before the game or listen to fans of the other team and commentators bias to them explain how your team is going to lose? How their team has a more effective, efficient strategy? Lol, no.

People cling to saying this is right, that's wrong, here's why, being full of selected propaganda and bias material. They gas up on it to start their day, everyday, reinforcing their "stance" and refueling their passion. If they took a break from news media, bias websites and forums discussing it, they may become withdrawn as if they quit Facebook after being a daily user their entire lives.

You should have ATS elections via thread polls and form a 90% majority party, then organize fundraisers to donate money to GOP election campaigns after voting for who needs it the most. Become progressive with your conservative activism. I'm glad you all agree and have a place to explain and advocate things that are mostly agreed on but I have a feeling that you're the only ones reading all of the replies on these threads, not any sort of "opposition" and no one to sway or convince.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: DBCowboy

Free healthcare, free college, free money. . . those aren't liberal causes, those are communist party platforms.

Nice try, Lenin!

If they really wanted to do something with education then extend high school by 2 years where based on your performance and desires you go to a trade type school with maybe small business education or you go full academics into a needed career field with follow-on education is on you.

Not a bad idea, at all.

It would certainly be an added expense that school districts would requre federal money to institute, but if itcwere voluntary, and somewhat merrit based, it could work.

a reply to: r0xor

Forgive me, for saying so, but the future of my country means a heck of a lot more to me than any football game. That's a horrible analogy, and I'm a football fan.

I would also point out that ATS is far from one sided on any subject. Maybe OP is just wrong on this one.

Depends on who runs against him, and who the Leftist choice is


Trump lost a lot of his base from the Far/Alt/New-Right, who why they didn't believe he was the direct answer, but felt he was a stepping stone towards their white identity and nationalistic policies (their words not mine)

Since Trump lost the Popular vote the last time, I Don't believe it will be as easy as the right think it will be, the Muller report did help a bit, but it also is going to boost the left.

it also depends on the Democrats turning on the Demsocs like last time

a reply to: AlienView

Trump can not Win in 2020

lololololol.

Do they seriously believe Americans will accept Socialism?

They don't want full socialism. Only right wing propaganda pushes this.

He will not win a second term

lolololol. Sorry but that statement is just as funny every time I hear it. He can win and most likely will. I see no real change in the voters and expect the 2020 race to end up similar to the 2016 race. Electoral collage win for trump , popular vote win for the dem.

Donald Trump has a 98% success rate in Business and so far in politics. Betting against him is statistically stupid.

a reply to: Nickn3

gun confiscation, live abortion, open borders, or socialism, the President picks up huge support.

I don't think right wing propaganda is as effective as you think.

The few do not represent the many.

If I thought this way I would believe the left wing propaganda that says the repub party is full of white supremacists.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: AlienView

Do they seriously believe Americans will accept Socialism?

They don't want full socialism. Only right wing propaganda pushes this.

You are right that Republicans are pushing the issue, but I don't think it is propaganda, it happens to be a winning issue among a majority of Americans, because it is a VERY dangerous path to go down, when you consider socialism has been an abject failure everywhere it has taken root.

a reply to: Mach2

Good to hear from you Redneck.

Still around, just a bit busy.

Redneck like busy.

I'm from the deepest south, South Florida. A place so far south, it's Yankee, and the story is the same here.

Yeah, you went so far South it turned into North.

I'm not surprised, though, with all the incompetence and/or outright corruption that seems to be centered around Miami/Dade. People are waking up and seeing what's really going on in that swamp we call Washington DC. It seems every time the DNC gets caught in something untoward, they expose themselves by trying to deny justice or lie their way out of it.

Being from South Florida, you'll likely get this metaphor: When one drains a swamp, that does not get rid of the problems; it exposes them. The snakes and gators are still there, but they have nowhere to hide any more. Anyone can see them. The snakes can still squeeze a man to death and the gators still have long beaks full of razor teeth. Nothing about that has changed, except they are exposed for all to see.

Cleaning up the swamp once it is drained is a different story. Someone has to go in there and kill the beasties. Once that is done, the swamp is no longer dangerous.

Trump never promised to clean the swamp; he promised to drain it. He has. The corruption and lies are exposed. Oh, sure, we still have some holdovers who want to close their eyes to the dangers that were already around them and try to blame the guy who exposed them for exposing them... but more and more people are realizing that what we are seeing is not new; it has been going on in both parties the whole time, but wasn't visible. Now it's time to clean up what Trump has exposed.

No President has or ever has had the power to do that. We the People put these critters in power, and We the People are the only ones who can remove them. That's our job, and we have a chance to do so in a year and a half. Once that's done, we can thank the dirty old guy with hydraulic fluid in his hair that drained it for us and send him on his merry way. We can bring in a more polished President that can oversee an ex-swamp that has been cleaned out.

A plumber never shows up in a three-piece suit and tie. He shows up in dirty jeans and (hopefully) a shirt, with that infamous "plumber's crack" hanging out for all the world to see. But he gets the job done, whereas the guy in the suit and tie would not. Trump is that plumber that's getting the job done; uncouth, brash, rude at times, and generally not very pleasant to deal with. But when he leaves and the job is done, he will look much better.

I had hoped against hope that Trump would have been able to finish the draining in four years. No such luck. We will need four more for We the People to clean up all this muck and mire before the job is done and we can send Trump on his merry way.

Here's to cleaning the swamp now that it has been drained.

The one exception I can see, is the Republicans failure to find a viable alternative to "Obamacare". Many ppl, even moderates, and independents, who are not crazy about a "Medicare for all" system, think it is better than what we have now.

Healthcare is a difficult assignment. People want to be able to see a doctor they like when they need to, without being driven into poverty in the process. Doctors expect to make big money doing a very important job they sacrificed so much for during their younger years. Insurance companies just want more money.

We have to find a way to get the insurance company's tentacles out of the business; that's where Obamacare went off the rails, by involving insurance even deeper. But that's a hard task, since the insurance companies are busy using their financial means to buy influence in the DC swamp. The only way to actually do this is to expose them, remove their influence by removing the corruption, and start anew. The first step to that is cleaning the swamp. Until that is done, there can never be a good healthcare system in the United States of America.

TheRedneck