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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Krakatoa
Once a fetus is born, and now outside the mother's womb, is it a United States Citizen?
How about you tell me, since you seem to believe that you, and only you, are the arbiter of "the truth".
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Krakatoa
Once a fetus is born, and now outside the mother's womb, is it a United States Citizen?
How about you tell me, since you seem to believe that you, and only you, are the arbiter of "the truth".
I want to hear your opinion. Mine is irrelevant, since I believe in the United States Constitution.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Krakatoa
I have no interest in turning this thread into an off topic, 14th Amendment citizenship debate.
Considering if born within the United States, they ARE a U.S. citizen. Therefore, are entitled to the protections of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The COTUS says nothing about age, ethnicity, nor viability of that citizen.
The 14th Amendment
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Sookiechacha
So you don't think that an unborn child is human.
Human beings are like a cake, after its been baked and frosted. A fetus is like cake batter, still in the mixing bowl.
Premature baby born at 24 weeks overcomes the odds. Premature babies are defying the odds at increasing rates. Baby Sebastian is one of them. He was born during the second trimester of pregnancy at 24 weeks gestation weighing just 1 pound, 13 ounces, but he overcame every obstacle he faced.
"How about you tell me," why this little human, with no abnormalities, shown below at 24 weeks, doesn't deserve a chance to live a productive life?
originally posted by: SeaWorthy
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Sookiechacha
So you don't think that an unborn child is human.
Unborn how many days weeks of growing, you always try to put the whole 9 months in one basket which sounds like maybe you didn't give it a good deal of thought.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: RadioRobert
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: RadioRobert
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: RadioRobert
Okay. Fine. Then the fetus can survive outside of the mother's womb. So, a woman should be able simply have her fetus removed, and someone else can take care of it. Right?
Can the mother safely remove her child from the womb without endangering him or her? If yes, then sure.
If it can't, then it's not a sovereign body. A sovereign body can survive outside of the womb, even if it requires medical life support to do so.
So ignoring for the moment whether or not I agree with you on this point, we both believe all abortions after 21 weeks are immoral then?
No, I don't agree. Most fetal anomality's can't be detected until, at the earliest between 20-22 weeks.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: RadioRobert
Stop with the "human" distraction from the issue, already! This isn't a question of fetal species, it's about a female human's right to choose what happens to her human body and her family's well being, and human, not horse or sea horse, fetal viability.
Women abort unwanted embryos and fetuses pre-viability on demand every day. Some, not all, women whose fetuses are diseased or distressed and/or who are unable to carry an unviable fetus to term due to health reasons, often terminate their pregnancy on a doctor's recommendation. If a woman is unable to carry or deliver a viable fetus, due to health concerns, a C-section is performed, not an abortion.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Krakatoa
Who is actively killing deformed and diseased babies after their born? Oh wait, the UK does that.
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: RadioRobert
Stop with the "human" distraction from the issue, already! This isn't a question of fetal species, it's about a female human's right to choose what happens to her human body and her family's well being, and human, not horse or sea horse, fetal viability.
Women abort unwanted embryos and fetuses pre-viability on demand every day. Some, not all, women whose fetuses are diseased or distressed and/or who are unable to carry an unviable fetus to term due to health reasons, often terminate their pregnancy on a doctor's recommendation. If a woman is unable to carry or deliver a viable fetus, due to health concerns, a C-section is performed, not an abortion.
So, to you declaring someone "human" is a distraction?!?! Really? Or is it just inconvenient for you to use that term for a living being?
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Krakatoa
Who is actively killing deformed and diseased babies after the're born? Oh wait, the UK does that.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: RadioRobert
Stop with the "human" distraction from the issue, already! This isn't a question of fetal species, it's about a female human's right to choose what happens to her human body and her family's well being, and human, not horse or sea horse, fetal viability.
Women abort unwanted embryos and fetuses pre-viability on demand every day. Some, not all, women whose fetuses are diseased or distressed and/or who are unable to carry an unviable fetus to term due to health reasons, often terminate their pregnancy on a doctor's recommendation. If a woman is unable to carry or deliver a viable fetus, due to health concerns, a C-section is performed, not an abortion.
So, to you declaring someone "human" is a distraction?!?! Really? Or is it just inconvenient for you to use that term for a living being?
No, you confusion of what is Homo sapien, AKA human, is a distraction.
We're humans, on a human chat forum, addressing human law and human biology. So, why keep asking if we're talking about human bodies and human biology? It's deflection from the topic of abortion and Christian morality.
There is, however, a legal and constitutional definition for personhood, and that definition applies to "persons born" only.
Even the Bible didn't count the unborn as "people" in the Hebrew people's population censuses.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Krakatoa
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Krakatoa
Who is actively killing deformed and diseased babies after the're born? O
h wait, the UK does that.
Why can't you answer the question? Who's killing babies? Source? Citation?