Pelosi Says Planet Is "God’s Creation" But Got Rattled When Asked If Unborn Baby Is Human

a reply to: Sookiechacha

In your opinion. . .

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: RadioRobert

Okay. Fine. Then the fetus can survive outside of the mother's womb. So, a woman should be able simply have her fetus removed, and someone else can take care of it. Right?

Can the mother safely remove her child from the womb without endangering him or her? If yes, then sure.

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: DBCowboy

The "woman's sovereign body" angle falls flat, too. The child has it's own DNA, body, brain, heartbeat, bloodtype, etc. In fact the placenta exists to keep the bodies entirely separate. Without the placenta facilitating interaction between both distinct beings, they are susceptible to a variety of different ailments including the fetus's own immune system attacking his or her mother and vice versa.

So it's really not a matter of solely the woman's body.

You're right!

But there was so much wrong and so much "illogic" and convoluted excuses, then I didn't see the point.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

If its not a child , is it a volkswagon? a shoe? A brick? A desk?

It's fetus. (Or an embryo) DUH!

If its "human" its murder........

The law, and its definition of murder, disagrees with you.

man whats it feel like to have to walk in circles with that stupid logic......

Blah Blah Blah! Tell it to the Supreme Court...

Then why is it a double homicide when a pregnant woman is murdered?

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

If its not a child , is it a volkswagon? a shoe? A brick? A desk?

It's fetus. (Or an embryo) DUH!

If its "human" its murder........

The law, and its definition of murder, disagrees with you.

man whats it feel like to have to walk in circles with that stupid logic......

Blah Blah Blah! Tell it to the Supreme Court...

Then why is it a double homicide when a pregnant woman is murdered?

Game.Set.Match.
Liberal logic : it's not murder if the mother chooses to kill the unborn baby, it is if someone else decides to.

a reply to: LSU2018

The law, to which you refer, protects a woman's choice and medical doctors.

Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution—
(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
www.law.cornell.edu...

a reply to: LSU2018

In the opinion the of the United States Supreme Court.

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: RadioRobert

Okay. Fine. Then the fetus can survive outside of the mother's womb. So, a woman should be able simply have her fetus removed, and someone else can take care of it. Right?

Can the mother safely remove her child from the womb without endangering him or her? If yes, then sure.

If it can't, then it's not a sovereign body. A sovereign body can survive outside of the womb, even if it requires medical life support to do so.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Yeah, I got it. The baby is a human when it's beneficial and a clump of crap when it's beneficial. Next time I have the nerve to question such, I'll turn to you. Thanks.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: LSU2018

The law, to which you refer, protects a woman's choice and medical doctors.

Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution—
(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
www.law.cornell.edu...

So, 1 minute before being born, is it human? It is still in the womb at that point, however, do YOU think it is human or a fetus at that point?

I am curious, truly, what your position on those questions are in that scenario.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: RadioRobert

Okay. Fine. Then the fetus can survive outside of the mother's womb. So, a woman should be able simply have her fetus removed, and someone else can take care of it. Right?

Can the mother safely remove her child from the womb without endangering him or her? If yes, then sure.

If it can't, then it's not a sovereign body. A sovereign body can survive outside of the womb, even if it requires medical life support to do so.

So ignoring for the moment whether or not I agree with you on this point, we both believe all abortions after 21 weeks are immoral violations of sovereign human beings then?

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: LSU2018

The law, to which you refer, protects a woman's choice and medical doctors.

Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution—
(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
www.law.cornell.edu...

So, 1 minute before being born, is it human? It is still in the womb at that point, however, do YOU think it is human or a fetus at that point?
I am curious, truly, what your position on those questions are in that scenario.

Fetal viability, not gestational age, is the determining factor whether or not an abortion is needed.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: LSU2018

The law, to which you refer, protects a woman's choice and medical doctors.

Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution—
(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
www.law.cornell.edu...

So, 1 minute before being born, is it human? It is still in the womb at that point, however, do YOU think it is human or a fetus at that point?
I am curious, truly, what your position on those questions are in that scenario.

Fetal viability, not gestational age, is the determining factor whether or not an abortion is needed.

So in that case, where it is fetally viable, yet not yet born, is it human?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: LSU2018

The law, to which you refer, protects a woman's choice and medical doctors.

Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution—
(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
www.law.cornell.edu...

So, 1 minute before being born, is it human? It is still in the womb at that point, however, do YOU think it is human or a fetus at that point?
I am curious, truly, what your position on those questions are in that scenario.

Fetal viability, not gestational age, is the determining factor whether or not an abortion is needed.

So 25-30 years ago fetuses turned into human beings at 30 something weeks, but advancing technology has now turned them into humans at 21 weeks? Seems like a highly contrived method of determining humanity.

I hope the medical field continues to advance so you can deem them humans even earlier, though that no doubt poses both logical and ethical problems for people of such a persuasion...

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: RadioRobert

Okay. Fine. Then the fetus can survive outside of the mother's womb. So, a woman should be able simply have her fetus removed, and someone else can take care of it. Right?

Can the mother safely remove her child from the womb without endangering him or her? If yes, then sure.

If it can't, then it's not a sovereign body. A sovereign body can survive outside of the womb, even if it requires medical life support to do so.

So ignoring for the moment whether or not I agree with you on this point, we both believe all abortions after 21 weeks are immoral then?

No, I don't agree. Most fetal anomality's can't be detected until, at the earliest between 20-22 weeks.

Those who seek late-term abortions are seeking them before a pregnancy reaches full term but often and unfortunately after they have discovered in the second or third trimester some problem with the fetus or danger to the mother.
www.forbes.com...

a reply to: Krakatoa

This question doesn't deserve the dignity of an answer, which is why Nancy Pelosi dismissed it.

This isn't, and never has been, a question of whether or not the egg, sperm, embryo, fetus or offspring is Homo sapien.

Homo sapiens is the binomial nomenclature (also known as the scientific name) for the only extant human species.

We're talking about a woman, who is an autonomous human being, a legal person with personhood rights, having a choice in what happens to her body and her and her family's family planning choices.

On the other hand, you can find medieval Jewish and Catholic text claiming that a fetus is not human, that it belongs to the animal kingdom, until it begins to look "pretty and cute", you know...."human".

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Krakatoa

This question doesn't deserve the dignity of an answer, which is why Nancy Pelosi dismissed it.

This isn't, and never has been, a question of whether or not the egg, sperm, embryo, fetus or offspring is Homo sapien.

Homo sapiens is the binomial nomenclature (also known as the scientific name) for the only extant human species.

We're talking about a woman, who is an autonomous human being, a legal person with personhood rights, having a choice in what happens to her body and her and her family's family planning choices.

On the other hand, you can find medieval Jewish and Catholic text claiming that a fetus is not human, that it belongs to the animal kingdom, until it begins to look "pretty and cute", you know...."human".

Avoiding the question I see. Yeah, I expected as much from someone that refuses to admit the truth. A truth that is obviously so difficult to imagine that you completely avoid answering the basic question.

OK, how about this easy question, location being in the United States.

Once a fetus is born, and now outside the mother's womb, is it a United States Citizen?

Didn't Abraham try sacrificing his own son to God without question? Years later too.

Here is a solution that should satisfy everyone, but will probably just piss them all off.

There haven't been any human trials yet, but if women are planning on having an abortion anyway then they should be approved IMO. Would this satisfy the pro-lifers and the pro-choice?

a reply to: Krakatoa

Once a fetus is born, and now outside the mother's womb, is it a United States Citizen?

How about you tell me, since you seem to believe that you, and only you, are the arbiter of "the truth".