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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: RadioRobert
Okay. Fine. Then the fetus can survive outside of the mother's womb. So, a woman should be able simply have her fetus removed, and someone else can take care of it. Right?
originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: DBCowboy
The "woman's sovereign body" angle falls flat, too. The child has it's own DNA, body, brain, heartbeat, bloodtype, etc. In fact the placenta exists to keep the bodies entirely separate. Without the placenta facilitating interaction between both distinct beings, they are susceptible to a variety of different ailments including the fetus's own immune system attacking his or her mother and vice versa.
So it's really not a matter of solely the woman's body.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
If its not a child , is it a volkswagon? a shoe? A brick? A desk?
It's fetus. (Or an embryo) DUH!
If its "human" its murder........
The law, and its definition of murder, disagrees with you.
man whats it feel like to have to walk in circles with that stupid logic......
Blah Blah Blah! Tell it to the Supreme Court...
originally posted by: LSU2018
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
If its not a child , is it a volkswagon? a shoe? A brick? A desk?
It's fetus. (Or an embryo) DUH!
If its "human" its murder........
The law, and its definition of murder, disagrees with you.
man whats it feel like to have to walk in circles with that stupid logic......
Blah Blah Blah! Tell it to the Supreme Court...
Then why is it a double homicide when a pregnant woman is murdered?
Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution—
(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
www.law.cornell.edu...
originally posted by: RadioRobert
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: RadioRobert
Okay. Fine. Then the fetus can survive outside of the mother's womb. So, a woman should be able simply have her fetus removed, and someone else can take care of it. Right?
Can the mother safely remove her child from the womb without endangering him or her? If yes, then sure.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: LSU2018
The law, to which you refer, protects a woman's choice and medical doctors.
Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution—
(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
www.law.cornell.edu...
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: RadioRobert
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: RadioRobert
Okay. Fine. Then the fetus can survive outside of the mother's womb. So, a woman should be able simply have her fetus removed, and someone else can take care of it. Right?
Can the mother safely remove her child from the womb without endangering him or her? If yes, then sure.
If it can't, then it's not a sovereign body. A sovereign body can survive outside of the womb, even if it requires medical life support to do so.
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: LSU2018
The law, to which you refer, protects a woman's choice and medical doctors.
Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution—
(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
www.law.cornell.edu...
So, 1 minute before being born, is it human? It is still in the womb at that point, however, do YOU think it is human or a fetus at that point?
I am curious, truly, what your position on those questions are in that scenario.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: LSU2018
The law, to which you refer, protects a woman's choice and medical doctors.
Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution—
(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
www.law.cornell.edu...
So, 1 minute before being born, is it human? It is still in the womb at that point, however, do YOU think it is human or a fetus at that point?
I am curious, truly, what your position on those questions are in that scenario.
Fetal viability, not gestational age, is the determining factor whether or not an abortion is needed.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: LSU2018
The law, to which you refer, protects a woman's choice and medical doctors.
Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution—
(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
www.law.cornell.edu...
So, 1 minute before being born, is it human? It is still in the womb at that point, however, do YOU think it is human or a fetus at that point?
I am curious, truly, what your position on those questions are in that scenario.
Fetal viability, not gestational age, is the determining factor whether or not an abortion is needed.
originally posted by: RadioRobert
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: RadioRobert
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: RadioRobert
Okay. Fine. Then the fetus can survive outside of the mother's womb. So, a woman should be able simply have her fetus removed, and someone else can take care of it. Right?
Can the mother safely remove her child from the womb without endangering him or her? If yes, then sure.
If it can't, then it's not a sovereign body. A sovereign body can survive outside of the womb, even if it requires medical life support to do so.
So ignoring for the moment whether or not I agree with you on this point, we both believe all abortions after 21 weeks are immoral then?
Those who seek late-term abortions are seeking them before a pregnancy reaches full term but often and unfortunately after they have discovered in the second or third trimester some problem with the fetus or danger to the mother.
www.forbes.com...
Homo sapiens is the binomial nomenclature (also known as the scientific name) for the only extant human species.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Krakatoa
This question doesn't deserve the dignity of an answer, which is why Nancy Pelosi dismissed it.
This isn't, and never has been, a question of whether or not the egg, sperm, embryo, fetus or offspring is Homo sapien.
Homo sapiens is the binomial nomenclature (also known as the scientific name) for the only extant human species.
We're talking about a woman, who is an autonomous human being, a legal person with personhood rights, having a choice in what happens to her body and her and her family's family planning choices.
On the other hand, you can find medieval Jewish and Catholic text claiming that a fetus is not human, that it belongs to the animal kingdom, until it begins to look "pretty and cute", you know...."human".