UK Muslims protest LGBTQ information

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: tanstaafl

Yes, just check out KS1 relationship syllabus on TES or Twinkle. You may have to subscribe though as they are primarily for teachers.

Not worth my time.

It may also help you put to bed some of your concerns about the content of what is taught.

Nope. The radical leftist agenda doesn't care. They will always teach things that aren't in the curriculum, if it is part of their radical agenda. That is the problem.

Excellent you confirm you won't look at evidence that contradicts your preconceived ideas then talk about the 'radical leftist agenda'.

Says it all really.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
The radical leftist agenda doesn't care.

Most people - including me - have no clue what a "radical leftist agenda" is. In the UK that would be Socialist Worker, or similar.

Anyway, to topic. I will add the following, perhaps in the vain hope to drag back to topic.

In the UK most people are OK with the education of relationships and sex which starts in primary school. The type of education is fairly minimal, as appropriate for young children. Also most people in the UK have no bother with homosexuality. There are nine gays in my village (apparently) and no one gives a toss.

While only a small portion of the UK population have issues with homosexuality, studies of UK Muslim communities show that there are some significant cultural difference. On homosexuality...

Muslims tend to have more conservative attitudes towards gender roles and homosexuality than the rest of the public, although many of these views were more widely shared by the British public as a whole not long ago. A majority (52%) of Muslims disagree that homosexuality should be legal in Britain,

Source opens in a PDF

52% do not believe that homosexuality should be legal in Britain

Channel 4 summary of Muslim attitudes in the UK

However, the UK is not Iran or Pakistan and the majority of Muslims are not raging religious bigots. The parents in this case are just ignorant and fearful that their kids won't be like them. These sentiments were common in the UK a few decades ago and held by the popultaion at large. Ignorance is tackled by fighting back, not appeasing and stickining to your guns.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Excellent you confirm you won't look at evidence that contradicts your preconceived ideas then talk about the 'radical leftist agenda'.

No, I confirm that I totally understand that just because something is written down in some policy manual somewhere, it doesn't mean that the people implementing it follow it to the letter, especially when they are extremely biased in their desires to pervert our society.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Excellent you confirm you won't look at evidence that contradicts your preconceived ideas then talk about the 'radical leftist agenda'.

No, I confirm that I totally understand that just because something is written down in some policy manual somewhere, it doesn't mean that the people implementing it follow it to the letter, especially when they are extremely biased in their desires to pervert our society.

Actually i can guarantee the exact opposite of what you say. Teachers are constantly monitored to make sure they are implementing the syllabus. You can get away with introducing ideas from out of the syllabus but only if it doesn't interfere with the actual teaching of the syllabus.

It isn't only Ofsted that enforce this either. Teachers are also monitored by Year Heads, Department Heads, by instruction from the Board of Governors, following parental complaints - the list goes on and on.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Excellent you confirm you won't look at evidence that contradicts your preconceived ideas then talk about the 'radical leftist agenda'.

No, I confirm that I totally understand that just because something is written down in some policy manual somewhere, it doesn't mean that the people implementing it follow it to the letter, especially when they are extremely biased in their desires to pervert our society.

Is it the kids learning that gay people exist that perverts society or just that gay people exist at all that perverts society?

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Is it the kids learning that gay people exist that perverts society or just that gay people exist at all that perverts society

It is teaching kids that a child can be gay, even encouraging it (as well as encouraging sexual experimentation) that perverts society.

Children are children. It is completely normal for them to experiment, do things, feel things, etc, but just because a child experiments with one of their same sex friends does not mean they are gay, and telling them it does, or even could, is extremely harmful and damaging, and I believe that the vast majority of these messed up trans people are a direct result of telling children that they can be 'gay'.

originally posted by: Flavian
Actually i can guarantee the exact opposite of what you say. Teachers are constantly monitored to make sure they are implementing the syllabus. You can get away with introducing ideas from out of the syllabus but only if it doesn't interfere with the actual teaching of the syllabus.

It isn't only Ofsted that enforce this either. Teachers are also monitored by Year Heads, Department Heads, by instruction from the Board of Governors, following parental complaints - the list goes on and on.

Riiiiiiiiiiight... must be nice to be able to live in a perfect world.

In the real world, people lie and cheat all the time, especially when they know they can get away with it.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Is it the kids learning that gay people exist that perverts society or just that gay people exist at all that perverts society

It is teaching kids that a child can be gay, even encouraging it (as well as encouraging sexual experimentation) that perverts society.

Children are children. It is completely normal for them to experiment, do things, feel things, etc, but just because a child experiments with one of their same sex friends does not mean they are gay, and telling them it does, or even could, is extremely harmful and damaging, and I believe that the vast majority of these messed up trans people are a direct result of telling children that they can be 'gay'.

Telling kids that gay people exist and that's OK doesn't turn then gay.

Telling them that may however reduce bullying, suicide and generally make dealling with the ignorant bigots who still sadly exist in society that bit easier.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Flavian
Actually i can guarantee the exact opposite of what you say. Teachers are constantly monitored to make sure they are implementing the syllabus. You can get away with introducing ideas from out of the syllabus but only if it doesn't interfere with the actual teaching of the syllabus.

It isn't only Ofsted that enforce this either. Teachers are also monitored by Year Heads, Department Heads, by instruction from the Board of Governors, following parental complaints - the list goes on and on.

Riiiiiiiiiiight... must be nice to be able to live in a perfect world.

In the real world, people lie and cheat all the time, especially when they know they can get away with it.

And why exactly would the teachers be lying and cheating about this?

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Telling kids that gay people exist and that's OK doesn't turn then gay.

Telling them that may however reduce bullying, suicide and generally make dealling with the ignorant bigots who still sadly exist in society that bit easier.

What you are apparently wanting is to live in a perfect society - ain't gonna happen.

Also, someone who believes that homosexuality is not normal is not a bigot, contrary to popular myth.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
And why exactly would the teachers be lying and cheating about this?

Because some of them have a radical agenda to queerify society.

See the madness that is the trans movement now, and the ludicrous/insane notions of 'gender identity' being pushed today.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Telling kids that gay people exist and that's OK doesn't turn then gay.

Telling them that may however reduce bullying, suicide and generally make dealling with the ignorant bigots who still sadly exist in society that bit easier.

What you are apparently wanting is to live in a perfect society - ain't gonna happen.

Also, someone who believes that homosexuality is not normal is not a bigot, contrary to popular myth.

Depends what you mean by normal.

If you mean a relatively small % of population then you are correct.

If you mean perverted, less deserving of rights or respect, or that they should feel ashamed in anyway then yes you are a bigot.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Depends what you mean by normal.

I said not normal...

I meant not normal... abnormal...

If you mean a relatively small % of population then you are correct.

Nope... a person with RH- blood is an extremely small % of the population, but they can still be normal (depends of course)...

If you mean perverted, less deserving of rights or respect, or that they should feel ashamed in anyway then yes you are a bigot.

Keep going, there are other choices...

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
And why exactly would the teachers be lying and cheating about this?

Because some of them have a radical agenda to queerify society.

See the madness that is the trans movement now, and the ludicrous/insane notions of 'gender identity' being pushed today.

Really, some teachers have radical agenda to 'queerify' society?

Can you explain what the purpose of this agenda is and what a 'queerifed' society is?

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Really, some teachers have racial agenda to 'queerify' society?

Um. Methinks an unhealthy degree of gay paranoia. There're gays hiding everywhere just waiting to pounce and turn you into something you are not!

Anyway, back to topic, eh? Brunei is a predominently Muslim country and has implemenetd more severe laws for homosexuality. Brunei implements stoning to death... BBC, but also widely reported elsewhere

Now, I am not judging Muslims per se because many Muslims lead tough lives if they are gay, and most Muslims in the UK would not condone this type of intolerance, but preventing the education of the young merely keeps them ignorant. Ignorance is exactly why many Muslim countries kill people for being gay. Oh, ignorance and other things too, like intolerance and selfishness.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Really, some teachers have racial radical agenda to 'queerify' society?

Yes.

Can you explain what the purpose of this agenda is and what a 'queerifed' society is?

The destruction of the greatest experiment ever engaged in (that we know of) - the US of A.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Really, some teachers have racial radical agenda to 'queerify' society?

Yes.

Can you explain what the purpose of this agenda is and what a 'queerifed' society is?

The destruction of the greatest experiment ever engaged in (that we know of) - the US of A.

Amazing!

How exactly does that work in UK schools?

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Really, some teachers have racial agenda to 'queerify' society?

Um. Methinks an unhealthy degree of gay paranoia. There're gays hiding everywhere just waiting to pounce and turn you into something you are not!

Anyway, back to topic, eh? Brunei is a predominently Muslim country and has implemenetd more severe laws for homosexuality. Brunei implements stoning to death... BBC, but also widely reported elsewhere

Now, I am not judging Muslims per se because many Muslims lead tough lives if they are gay, and most Muslims in the UK would not condone this type of intolerance, but preventing the education of the young merely keeps them ignorant. Ignorance is exactly why many Muslim countries kill people for being gay. Oh, ignorance and other things too, like intolerance and selfishness.

I get confused by some of the posters on here.

As far a I can tell Muslims bad for being intolerant, but educating people not to be intolerant is also bad.

Go figure.

a reply to: LedermanStudio

Let them play protest, as long as they obey the law. The same legislation that protects the curriculum also protects their right to be unhappy with it. In the end, they will either accept the progressive culture or they will return to Islamic country and perhaps realize which is the lesser of evils.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
How exactly does that work in UK schools?

Pretty much the same...