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Couple Decided Not To Take Child To Hospital For 100 Degree Fever, Police Kick Down Their Door

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posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Blaine91555

Well, that makes more sense I suppose.

I still hate Nazi's tho. . . .


Don't get me wrong here. I still think it could have been handled better by both sides. The parents don't get a pass from me though.




posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 01:09 PM
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i get there is a separation between church and state but if a child is going to die because the parents wont give them a pill or a shot should not be allowed to have kids, period.

i would love to have a kid and there are people willing to risk their kids life for some extremely flawed idea, God made scientists and doctors and by extension medication and other modern procedures that could have saved these kids life.

if your kid is sick, take them to the doctor and help the child.

if a doctor sees a kid in superbad shape and the parents refuse treatment i would call the cops as soon as they walked out the door if were the doctor.



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 02:35 PM
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a reply to: penroc3

The fact they got a warrant meant the child was not in imminent danger.



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 03:00 PM
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Why would he have been vaccinated for meningitis? That isn't a standard childhood vaccination. They don't even consider that unless you are part of a high-risk group.



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 03:27 PM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask




But I can tell you what would happen if ANYONE kicked my door down at 1 am in the morning.......


You would have been killed by the cops in riot gear if you tried anything.


LoL maybe, probably.....but anyone kicks down my door at 1am in the morning I CAN tell you they get shot....what happens after that doesnt matter much does it?

Wouldnt be the first time i was racked out of sleep by gunfire and pandemonium..........



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

About 1600-2600 dollarsworth no insurance. With insurance I had to pay600 out of pocket and300for the doctors.

Jaden



Thanks for the information.

That's insanely expensive, and criminal in itself to be charged so much.



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 03:37 PM
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I just have a couple of general opinions on this topic:

1. Once the media is involved, the true facts of the incident will always be obscured and/or twisted to suit the agenda of whoever owns that media outlet.

2. I believe that this incident, and similar incidents, are intended as a warning and and “educational” example of how “we” are supposed to act. Most of you here on ATS should (in my humble opinion) already have a grasp of the fact that the healthcare industry is a for profit machine. The goal is not healthy people, the goal (overall) is people who are alive but need ongoing (and preferably expensive) medical care such as drugs, treatments, therapies, etc. We the public are being taught that we must obey instructions from health care providers and address every health concern with conventional medical practices and “approved” providers. Regardless of the actual condition of the child or any actual danger to the child, the goal is that parents learn from this incident the potential consequences of not following a doctor’s recommendations. In other words, you better do what the doctor tells you to, or else. The message, provided via fear tactics, is worth the potential outrage and/or backlash from some people because they believe that most of the public who are parents will, at some level, “get” the correct lesson of mindlessly obeying medical professionals, especially when it involves your kids.

Heike



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555




There is more to this story.


Add to that the fact DCS already has some sort of previous interaction as the court proceedings indicate a "reunification plan". That means DCS had already removed them from the home previously for some reason/incident.


I still don't think this is kosher, but there are a lot more factors at play than "decided not to take him to the ER, so they sent a SWAT team" .



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: RadioRobert

Incorrect. The reunification plan is due to DCS removing all the children on this encounter. So the reunification plan is the parents POSSIBLY getting custody back of their children .. and possibly not, due to this incident.



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 04:28 PM
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DP
edit on 28-3-2019 by OccamsRazor04 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: infolurker

Okay this is definitely an overreaction, but allow me to educate parents that have kindergarten level biology.

Yes you love your kids, but that kids life was in danger. The human body cannot withstand temperature fluctuations. A healthy ADULT humans body is roughly 36C, seven degrees more you get hyperthermia, which leads to brain damage, even death. Thirteen degrees less and you get very very sick.

This kid is two years old.

Yes this was a drastic move, but it could've been avoided if the child was taken to hospital as a precaution. What if his fever was a symptom of meningitis? The poor kid would've been dead before the SWAT arrived. The doctor was concerned about the child's welfare, unlike his parents.

When a doctor says take your child to a hospital, effin do it. I wouldn't risk the chance of a Darwin award because I ignored a Foreman's advice not to shoot myself in the head with a nail gun.

SWAT was unnecessary, police checking the place with a polite knock? Sure. All these paranoid androids talking about police states and I'm sure someone has already blamed the democrats but screw the poor kid and his concerns.

Let's leave all that behind, it was over handed but it could have been averted. When you disregard doctors advice there better be a M.D behind that 'mamma knows best.'



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 10:15 PM
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And they say CCCP and China are a dictatorship!
they would not do this, only in US.
you yanks need to put clay-more at your front doors.



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: Thecakeisalie

It's not like this is a one-time thing.

A couple years ago, there was an instance in California where a young couple decided to seek a second opinion, and CPS there treated them about like this for going against the doctor's advice. They showed up at the door with police and took custody of the child.

In that instance their crime was rejecting the opinion of the first doctor. WTF? If that's all it takes then we don't need to be parents, we've gone outside our son's doctor's purview on a couple occasions to seek diagnosis for learning issues.

The state is increasingly sure that parents are all morons when it comes to knowing their own children.
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posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 11:26 PM
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If that caseworker really cared about the child she would've dropped off a $8 bottle of Children's Tylenol and a $7 bottle of Children's Motrin.

I can't phuking believe this story. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

There HAS to be a way to fight this OVERREACH!



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 11:30 PM
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originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: infolurker

Okay this is definitely an overreaction, but allow me to educate parents that have kindergarten level biology.

Yes you love your kids, but that kids life was in danger. The human body cannot withstand temperature fluctuations. A healthy ADULT humans body is roughly 36C, seven degrees more you get hyperthermia, which leads to brain damage, even death. Thirteen degrees less and you get very very sick.

This kid is two years old.

Yes this was a drastic move, but it could've been avoided if the child was taken to hospital as a precaution. What if his fever was a symptom of meningitis? The poor kid would've been dead before the SWAT arrived. The doctor was concerned about the child's welfare, unlike his parents.

When a doctor says take your child to a hospital, effin do it. I wouldn't risk the chance of a Darwin award because I ignored a Foreman's advice not to shoot myself in the head with a nail gun.

SWAT was unnecessary, police checking the place with a polite knock? Sure. All these paranoid androids talking about police states and I'm sure someone has already blamed the democrats but screw the poor kid and his concerns.

Let's leave all that behind, it was over handed but it could have been averted. When you disregard doctors advice there better be a M.D behind that 'mamma knows best.'


Have you ever even raised a child? Honest question. Because it really seems like you HAVEN'T!

You don't take a kid to the motherflipping hospital for a mere 100F fever. That is FRICKING COMMONPLACE when raising a child.

You know what? I don't even need to you answer that question. I already KNOW you've never raised a child. Ignorant SOB.



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 11:48 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: sine.nomine

reason.com...

Just after midnight the caseworker got that notice, which is required by law. Matters subsequently escalated:

Cascio wrote that officers consulted with the police criminal investigations bureau and SWAT.

"Based upon the court order, the intent of DCS to serve the order, and exigency to ensure the health and welfare of the child, the decision was made to force entry to the home if the parents refused to respond to verbal requests," according to police records. Police knocked, saying they had a court order and would force entry if needed, according to police records.

And force they did:

It was after 1 a.m. when officers kicked down the family's door. One officer carried a shield, while another was described as having "lethal coverage." Officers pointing guns yelled, "Chandler Police Department," and entered the house.

The rest of the story is equally nuts. The kids were all placed in separate foster homes. When the case got to juvenile court 10 days later, DCS requested it be closed to the public. The judge refused.

But then it seemed as if DCS decided to make everything harder for the parents, because now the press was interested, as was the Arizona DCS Oversight Group, a local organization that fights for families' rights, and a state legislator, Rep. Kelly Townsend (R–Mesa), who had helped write the law requiring DCS to get a warrant before removing a child. Townsend has been lobbing zingers like, "What about the parents' rights to decide what's best for their child? Parents felt the child was fine. Next thing we know, the Gestapo is at their door."

In court, DCS tried to convince the judge, Jennifer Green, to bar the press from covering the dispute. A lawyer for the agency even claimed that the parents had gone against the best interests of the children by involving the media. Green rejected this argument, saying, "In Arizona we like our courts to be open."

However, the judge ultimately sided with DCS, ruling that the children's removal was lawful and telling the parents "to remember that the state had them on a family-reunification plan and wants them to regain custody of their children."

The children's grandparents are undergoing a DCS review, and hope to be permitted to temporarily shelter the kids once that's approved. But there's no telling how long it will be before the kids can just go home to mom and dad.


this can be justified however, its the law, sure, but is it right to do? by law you used to be able to hit your wife with a broom handle, but is it right? It was handled in a disastrous, and over the top way. This is police state crap all the way...



posted on Mar, 29 2019 @ 03:39 AM
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a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Sorry, the child's life was not in danger. The fact they got a warrant is proof. Part of applying for a warrant in that state, using that law, is acknowledgement that there is no imminent danger. If the child is in imminent danger then they must act immediately and may do so without a warrant.

I believe this has more to do with them being anti-vaxxers than the fever, which was resolving per the story.



posted on Mar, 29 2019 @ 03:42 AM
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a reply to: gunshooter

The person who helped pass the law says this is NOT what the law is supposed to be for, so I am not even sure it is lawful. DCS may have gotten a warrant, that doesn't mean everything was done the way it is supposed to following the process, it just means a judge signed off.



posted on Mar, 29 2019 @ 08:23 AM
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a reply to: Heike57

It not just “for profit” healthcare, but for control by the totalitarian State. This
Is the meaning of the “nanny state”.
In the old days ( I mean like 1986) the doctor or hospital would tell you to give the child a dose of medicine using an alligator spoon and cook him down in the bathtub. Now the police are breaking the door down??? The only thing that makes sense here is the overreach if the law.
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posted on Mar, 29 2019 @ 09:48 AM
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Some virtue signaling twat sitting in the social services department of the hospital decided THEY KNOW BEST and to exercise their POWER over others.

Was the welfare of the child the most importantly thing here or even the actual concern of the hospital? No.

Was undue force applied? Yes.

To me, those to blame are obvious. Disgusting behavior by disgusting, DUMB people.



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