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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: eletheia

The bigger picture is Brexit will bring with it the even more forced austerity and a recession ta boot.

The housing market will crash and the banks will fail again, who's going to bail them out next time around?

Because it not going to be Tories and Westminster, it's going to be us once again.
You don't know any of that, frankly getting tired of reading your doom porn beliefs presented as facts.
Do you only read doom assessments in whichever media you learn from? Plenty of business leaders and economists argue differently.




posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: SerenTheUniverse

I'd be happier if they staked their careers on it, to be honest. If it goes tits up, they should be the first to suffer with job losses, etc.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: Flavian
Agreed, just the remain camp are screaming doom like it is fact when they don't actually know any more than economists who believe differently.

I heard some Muppet on the radio the other day moaning "where's the 8 billion a year we were promised?" Stupid fool didn't even realise that we actually have to leave the EU first before we stop paying club member fees lol



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake

The bigger picture is Brexit will bring with it the even more forced austerity and a recession ta boot.
The housing market will crash and the banks will fail again, who's going to bail them out next time around?
Because it not going to be Tories and Westminster, it's going to be us once again.


PROFESSOR ROBERT TOMB Professor at Cambridge University disagrees with you.


t is staggering that the European Union has been allowed to mesmerise our hapless Government and self-indulgent Parliament. What is the huge attraction of remaining stuck to an enterprise in such steep decline?
Just look at what is actually happening across Europe, where opposition among voters to Brussels is growing.
While the EU helps big corporations, bureaucrats, politicians and professionals, there is very little benefit to most people. In fact, it wrecks lives among the most vulnerable.

Why, after nearly five months, does France remain in the grip of the enraged 'yellow vests'? Because President Macron, the would-be leader of a European federal superstate, has tried to push public spending down to levels centrally approved by the EU. France has become one of the most indebted countries in the world. Twenty per cent of people under 25 are out of work. And Macron's financial policy is in ruins.
France is not the only EU country to be suffering from Brussels' own financial policies.In Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Romania and Bulgaria, mass unemployment is a fact of life, especially for the young.

Contrast this with the situation here in Britain.

EU membership has long been a drag on our economy, especially manufacturing, we have so far escaped the worst damage. Our employment rate is at record highs, in fact, and wages are rising, thanks to a welcome post-referendum fall in the pound. There is much to celebrate – yet look at the way we are going to Brussels on bended knee time and again.

The damage to our political system and to our global reputation for stability, honest politics and reliable good sense is worse than any possible downside to Brexit – which we now know has been shamelessly exaggerated to frighten voters.
Rejecting a perfectly viable exit under WTO rules, they are moving instead towards a senseless and damaging outcome: a customs union. This, remember, gives us no significant benefits while loading us with multiple constraints and giving away control over our trade.
Then there is the question of honesty: it is clear a majority of MPs are ignoring what they promised to do when they were elected – to take Britain out of the EU.

Europe's problems have been building for 20 years,– The adoption of a single currency, as many economists warned at the time, was a terrible mistake.It puts very different countries – Portugal and Holland, Greece and Germany – in the same economic framework. The weaker countries can no longer compete with the stronger. Italy has had no economic growth for 20 years.

The EU reaction to the 2007/08 crash has been gravely wrong-headed, too. Struggling countries have been forced into austerity, increasing the damage. Many have built up huge debts, threatening not merely long-term decline, but sudden financial disaster.EU banks have lent staggering sums to governments which can never be repaid. Even the European Central Bank has run out of remedies. It is now incapable of stimulating economic growth or staving off a serious crisis.

Respected independent experts are giving ever more urgent warnings, yet this is the system to which our politicians, in their wisdom, wish to shackle us.Our trade with the EU has been declining in importance for 20 years, while that with non-EU markets has been growing. We have a huge and unsustainable deficit in trade with the EU,while we have a very profitable surplus with non-EU countries.

Moreover, the EU gives no benefit to our huge and world-beating service industries, for which the rest of the world is eager.
It is plain common sense to diversify our economy as much as we can in an uncertain world, and detach ourselves from the declining and crisis-prone Eurocracy.

We can all wish our neighbours good luck. But we must not be dragged down with them.


*Robert Tombs is the author of The English And Their History.*

www.dailymail.co.uk...


Somebodies knowledge to be respected I would think ...... but hey I bet

you would know better!!



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: eletheia

Quite possibly better than the Daily Fail. LoL

I would not wipe my arse with such spurious info ta be honest.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: SerenTheUniverse

Nobody forcing to read my posts.

I don't really care what you are tired of to be honest.

I read a multitude of different information from numerous different sources, i also look out the window from time to time.


Keep the rose coloured glasses on all you wish mate, plenty of indication there will be a recession after Brexit and no reason what so ever to dought the continuation of austerity.

A right good few big businesses are planning on doing the off after Brexit, or have already done so, if that's not a hint as to what is to come, i don't know what is.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: oldcarpy

Just a tad, and then some.

But who the hell in there right mind is not given their actions/inaction, and inept ability to perform over this whole fiasco?

Politics is broken, or at least our politicians and the political institutions they supposedly represent are corrupt beyond redemption.

Trouble is one side always wins, and they are the same side really.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: andy06shake

The bigger picture is Brexit will bring with it the even more forced austerity and a recession ta boot.
The housing market will crash and the banks will fail again, who's going to bail them out next time around?
Because it not going to be Tories and Westminster, it's going to be us once again.


PROFESSOR ROBERT TOMB Professor at Cambridge University disagrees with you.


t is staggering that the European Union has been allowed to mesmerise our hapless Government and self-indulgent Parliament. What is the huge attraction of remaining stuck to an enterprise in such steep decline?
Just look at what is actually happening across Europe, where opposition among voters to Brussels is growing.
While the EU helps big corporations, bureaucrats, politicians and professionals, there is very little benefit to most people. In fact, it wrecks lives among the most vulnerable.

Why, after nearly five months, does France remain in the grip of the enraged 'yellow vests'? Because President Macron, the would-be leader of a European federal superstate, has tried to push public spending down to levels centrally approved by the EU. France has become one of the most indebted countries in the world. Twenty per cent of people under 25 are out of work. And Macron's financial policy is in ruins.
France is not the only EU country to be suffering from Brussels' own financial policies.In Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Romania and Bulgaria, mass unemployment is a fact of life, especially for the young.

Contrast this with the situation here in Britain.

EU membership has long been a drag on our economy, especially manufacturing, we have so far escaped the worst damage. Our employment rate is at record highs, in fact, and wages are rising, thanks to a welcome post-referendum fall in the pound. There is much to celebrate – yet look at the way we are going to Brussels on bended knee time and again.

The damage to our political system and to our global reputation for stability, honest politics and reliable good sense is worse than any possible downside to Brexit – which we now know has been shamelessly exaggerated to frighten voters.
Rejecting a perfectly viable exit under WTO rules, they are moving instead towards a senseless and damaging outcome: a customs union. This, remember, gives us no significant benefits while loading us with multiple constraints and giving away control over our trade.
Then there is the question of honesty: it is clear a majority of MPs are ignoring what they promised to do when they were elected – to take Britain out of the EU.

Europe's problems have been building for 20 years,– The adoption of a single currency, as many economists warned at the time, was a terrible mistake.It puts very different countries – Portugal and Holland, Greece and Germany – in the same economic framework. The weaker countries can no longer compete with the stronger. Italy has had no economic growth for 20 years.

The EU reaction to the 2007/08 crash has been gravely wrong-headed, too. Struggling countries have been forced into austerity, increasing the damage. Many have built up huge debts, threatening not merely long-term decline, but sudden financial disaster.EU banks have lent staggering sums to governments which can never be repaid. Even the European Central Bank has run out of remedies. It is now incapable of stimulating economic growth or staving off a serious crisis.

Respected independent experts are giving ever more urgent warnings, yet this is the system to which our politicians, in their wisdom, wish to shackle us.Our trade with the EU has been declining in importance for 20 years, while that with non-EU markets has been growing. We have a huge and unsustainable deficit in trade with the EU,while we have a very profitable surplus with non-EU countries.

Moreover, the EU gives no benefit to our huge and world-beating service industries, for which the rest of the world is eager.
It is plain common sense to diversify our economy as much as we can in an uncertain world, and detach ourselves from the declining and crisis-prone Eurocracy.

We can all wish our neighbours good luck. But we must not be dragged down with them.


*Robert Tombs is the author of The English And Their History.*

www.dailymail.co.uk...


Somebodies knowledge to be respected I would think ...... but hey I bet

you would know better!!






Robert Tombs is a historian and a vocal brexit supporter (as of course is his right).

Actual economists on the other hand almost universally view Brexit as having a negative impact on the UK economy.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:16 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake
purely your opinion though fella, just a pity you present it as fact all the time.
It is a dishonest way to debate, just pointing it out to the class...and you are mistaken, I didn't have any concern about if you cared about my thoughts, just making an observation.
I'll call out opinion expressed as fact every time, oh and if you post a meme response as you enjoy so much is it okay to ask for the source of its claims?
Thanks in advance

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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 02:22 PM
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a reply to: SerenTheUniverse

Not just opinion but fact.

www.independent.co.uk...

Opinions are like bumholes.

Everyone has one.

And other peoples tend to stink.

I will post as i wish as i am still perfectly free to do so, just like yourself ya silly sausage.


Wonder if that will continue to be the colour of the day should the Tory bastards get there wish and manage to tamper with our Human rights?


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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 03:05 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Meh,we can pull newspaper articles all day, post what you like, I wonder why you thought I imagined that I was instructing you anything.
I will call out your opinions on the future when you present them as fact though.

Nobody knows for sure, but you have made up your mind so we'll just have to see what happens...not like we can do anything about it now.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:11 PM
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Oh no, what are Brexiters to do ?

Like two un-matched mongrel dogs on heat,
the 'UK' is locked into the EU 'till the end of the year !
Beholden to European (or, yurpee'in, for the cuzzins) elections

All bexause ...

The EU Withdrawal (No 5) Act received royal assent
just after 11pm on Monday night, forcing the prime minister to extend the article 50 process and to set out the length of the extension in the Commons on Tuesday.





I'm surprised that the usual rabid SJW Brexiters haven't jumped on that bandwagon ...



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: eletheia

Quite possibly better than the Daily Fail. LoL
I would not wipe my arse with such spurious info ta be honest.



Well no one can do anything about a closed mind..... life holds opportunities for

those who seek to broaden theirs.



edit on 9-4-2019 by eletheia because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: Cassi3l

Who or what exactly are 'SJW Brexiters'?



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 05:28 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

Robert Tombs is a historian and a vocal brexit supporter (as of course is his right).



And is anything he has said untrue? He has stated facts that can be checked

out ?



Actual economists on the other hand almost universally view Brexit as having a negative impact on the UK economy.


Really
or just the ones you agree with!



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 06:08 PM
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originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Robert Tombs is a historian and a vocal brexit supporter (as of course is his right).



And is anything he has said untrue? He has stated facts that can be checked

out ?



Actual economists on the other hand almost universally view Brexit as having a negative impact on the UK economy.


Really
or just the ones you agree with!




No He has given his opinions most of which seem fact free.

Well it seems I agree with the economists at the treasury and the BOE amongst quite a lot of others.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: Cassi3l
Oh no, what are Brexiters to do ?

Like two un-matched mongrel dogs on heat,
the 'UK' is locked into the EU 'till the end of the year !
Beholden to European (or, yurpee'in, for the cuzzins) elections

All bexause ...

The EU Withdrawal (No 5) Act received royal assent
just after 11pm on Monday night, forcing the prime minister to extend the article 50 process and to set out the length of the extension in the Commons on Tuesday.





I'm surprised that the usual rabid SJW Brexiters haven't jumped on that bandwagon ...


indeed. federalisatzgruppen agents exposed themselves lol.

the highlight for me personally was the highjacking of the executive and the crown. bad play it seems
and I think they know it. as for the gloaters, I happily leave them with the knowledge that
one day they may truly regret their affiliations and understand the true cost of neutering themselves
by cheering for the destruction of a validated and enshrined undertaking. between the pillars, perhaps lady
justice awaits. a fine exercise in attrition I must say.
f.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 07:23 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot



Across Europe, where opposition among voters to Brussels is growing.

While the EU helps big corporations, bureaucrats, politicians and professionals,
there is very little benefit to most people.

Why, for example, after nearly five months, does France remain in the grip of
the enraged 'yellow vests'?

President Macron, the would-be leader of a European federal superstate, has
tried to push public spending down to levels centrally approved by the EU.

The police use dangerous rubber bullets, which are banned elsewhere. Public
buildings are protected by the army.

France has become one of the most indebted countries in the world. Twenty
per cent of people under 25 are out of work. And Macron's financial policy is
in ruins.

In Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Romania and Bulgaria, mass unemployment is
a fact of life, especially for the young.Extremist parties are growing,
In Greece, 40 per cent of young people are unemployed, and when it comes to
young people from poor backgrounds, the figures are even worse.

Our employment rate is at record highs, in fact, and wages are rising, thanks to
a welcome post-referendum fall in the pound.

The EU can hardly have believed its luck as demand after demand, however
unreasonable, was conceded by our witless negotiating team.

Then there is the question of honesty: it is clear a majority of MPs are ignoring
what they promised to do when they were elected – to take Britain out of the EU.

Italy has had no economic growth for 20 years.

EU banks have lent staggering sums to governments which can never be repaid.
Our trade with the EU has been declining in importance for 20 years, while that
with non-EU markets has been growing. We have a huge and unsustainable deficit
in trade with the EU, while we have a very profitable surplus with non-EU countries.



What part of any of that is opinion? It can all be verified and checked and

most people are aware of it.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 09:12 PM
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originally posted by: eletheia
a reply to: ScepticScot



Across Europe, where opposition among voters to Brussels is growing.

While the EU helps big corporations, bureaucrats, politicians and professionals,
there is very little benefit to most people.

Why, for example, after nearly five months, does France remain in the grip of
the enraged 'yellow vests'?

President Macron, the would-be leader of a European federal superstate, has
tried to push public spending down to levels centrally approved by the EU.

The police use dangerous rubber bullets, which are banned elsewhere. Public
buildings are protected by the army.

France has become one of the most indebted countries in the world. Twenty
per cent of people under 25 are out of work. And Macron's financial policy is
in ruins.

In Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Romania and Bulgaria, mass unemployment is
a fact of life, especially for the young.Extremist parties are growing,
In Greece, 40 per cent of young people are unemployed, and when it comes to
young people from poor backgrounds, the figures are even worse.

Our employment rate is at record highs, in fact, and wages are rising, thanks to
a welcome post-referendum fall in the pound.

The EU can hardly have believed its luck as demand after demand, however
unreasonable, was conceded by our witless negotiating team.

Then there is the question of honesty: it is clear a majority of MPs are ignoring
what they promised to do when they were elected – to take Britain out of the EU.

Italy has had no economic growth for 20 years.

EU banks have lent staggering sums to governments which can never be repaid.
Our trade with the EU has been declining in importance for 20 years, while that
with non-EU markets has been growing. We have a huge and unsustainable deficit
in trade with the EU, while we have a very profitable surplus with non-EU countries.



What part of any of that is opinion? It can all be verified and checked and

most people are aware of it.






It's huge chunks of opinion much of which is unsupported by facts.

Let's start with this one, France public debt to GDP is about 98%. No where near being one of the 'most indebted countries in the world'



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: eletheia

Lets move to youth unemployment in france. Figure sounds terrible without context but he doesn't mention that current youth uneployment in france is almost exactly in line with the 40 year average so hardly a current crisis.

Why does it sound so high?

cepr.net...



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