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Another night of Brexit drama

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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 06:08 AM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

I wonder what that EU meeting will decide tonight about granting May an extension?
Has Macron got the balls to veto it and force a no deal exit? I doubt it, we're gonna be in limbo for the next year I reckon...whole thing is a mess, I'm drawn towards a no deal exit, it will force both sides to make emergency deals sharpish because both sides know they have to.




posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 06:40 AM
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a reply to: SerenTheUniverse

I read on ATS that Trump is planning to put $11 billion of tariffs on EU goods.

That might stir the pot a bit.

The thought of a long extension and prolonging this mess yet further fills me with despair.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 06:52 AM
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a reply to: SerenTheUniverse

Oh yeah at leats a no deal brexit will force them to make a deal
It's got to the silly stage and the Europeans are tirde of our bickering MPs, hopefully they Germans and French will tell May how it's going to be and tnat might force her to make a move on her own. From what the media is saying over there, the Euros have got a bit tired of this country and they are glad to be ridding of us so they can further their single market, whereas before they desired us to stay this is npo more and we are perceived as the deranged and untrustworthy neighbour ho is dragging them back, time to ecpect some big EU industrials to make their move soon as nobody can plan ahead in this limobo stATE



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 06:55 AM
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a reply to: oldcarpy

Me too, I'd go for no deal now, I know the doom mongers will chime in that the sky will fall but it will force swift deals or all sides will be impacted.
Trump will likely be up for fast tracking any deals, same as the EU, because not doing so is cutting their nose off to spite their euro faces.
May has turned out to be weak, she should quit begging to the EU and Parliament should have the balls to implement what should have happened at the end of March, in my opinion.
I passionately believe an independent UK will prosper in the medium to long term, and there are plenty of analysts who think the same...just a pity the doom mongers shout the loudest with their socialist worker posters in their hands.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 07:01 AM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter
Yes mate, if we crash out no deal then Mercedes, BMW, Volkswagen, Audi et al, will be like rabid dogs barking at Merkel.
Big business will force trade deals, and the politicians know it.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 07:21 AM
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a reply to: eletheia

Aye, the Tories are cleaning up the mess alright.

By destroying the lives of everyone but their own kind.

Be Labours time again to stir the pot soon enough, Brexit or no Brexit, that's pretty much a given.

Considering the Tory mess that has been made.

And if you manage to avoid getting into debt, then good luck to you, because you must be doing better than most.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 07:29 AM
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Looks like people falling in to the blame game trap that has beset this country for years.

The fact is that the fiscal affairs of this country have been serially mis-managed for decades now.

Both Labour and The Conservatives have put political ideology before the long term economic and financial well being of the country and its people.

The Tories are obsessed with profit and the return to Victorianesque society along with all its injustices and inequalities.
Labour under Blair and Brown were little different, except they liked to spend lots of money.
God knows what sort of damage to the economy Corbyn could do.

The Brexit farce has shown just how unqualified to run this country our politicians are and exactly how unfit for purpose our current system is.
The fact is we need radical reform and that includes how we run and manage the economy and government expenditure.

Until we accept that change is required and that real change requires taking a leap in the dark we'll continue with the status quo and the wash, rinse, repeat cycle that we've endured for far too long.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 07:32 AM
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a reply to: oldcarpy

Look around at the wreckage of nine years of Tory cuts and the enormity of what they have done to the people of this nation?

Cuts have brought public spending back to below pre-crash levels.

Yet there are still monstrous extra cuts scheduled for the next four years.

The harshest being £12bn still to fall on benefits, as universal credit, the benefit cap and freezes are knocking flat already hard up low paid families.

Schools have lost £2bn in three years, with 66,000 more pupils, so forget the education secretaries strutting conference promise of “world-class education for everyone”.

This nation is on its arse and continued austerity will only add to the disaster hard Brexit will ensure.


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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 07:47 AM
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Cuts have brought public spending back to below pre-crash levels.


Have they?

UK Public Spending - Numbers Charts


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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 07:56 AM
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Well, im not wrong about the benefits or education cuts.

Then there is the NHS to consider.

End of the day it's not getting better, it's simply getting far worse with no end in sight.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 07:58 AM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: ufoorbhunter
Yes mate, if we crash out no deal then Mercedes, BMW, Volkswagen, Audi et al, will be like rabid dogs barking at Merkel.
Big business will force trade deals, and the politicians know it.


We can only hope it works out like that but when it comes to the Krauts the dog ways the tail. Same situation with Russia half a decade ago with sanctions going on Moscow, German business gave up much car trade exports with them on the orders of Merkel just so sanctions went on. When push comes to shove BMW etc take orders from the Chancellor they are very close but the leader is from the top when it comes to business. Merkel is the final word over there and they all fall into line and will relinquish our market if she deems the single market is more important to Germany than our fleet trade



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 07:59 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Benefit levels might, of course, be down due to less unemployment? Why do you think ever increasing spending on benefits is a good thing?
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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse

I passionately believe an independent UK will prosper in the medium to long term, and there are plenty of analysts who think the same..







Just a pity the doom mongers shout the loudest with their socialist worker posters in their hands.



Like the old adage of "empty vessels make the most noise" and proved

by the result of the referendum where because of shouting the loudest

it was thought that 'leave' had NO chance of winning.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 08:17 AM
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Well until we manage to produce a living wage, a wage in line with inflation, our Benefits systems have to supplement people in low-paid work, else they will simply not be able to survive on the pittance they receive through wages alone.

As to the unemployment statistics, those numbers are skewered beyond meaningful comprehension, 2-4 hours paid work a week don't make you employed, it means you have a paper run.

The good thing would be to spread the wealth and power rather more equally amongst our population, Brexit wont do that, it will only add to the socioeconomic divide imho.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 08:36 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

The Taxpayers Alliance today published this:


In 2017-18:
• There were at least 2,454 council employees who received total remuneration in excess of £100,000. That's 148 more than in 2016-17.

• 608 council employees earned over £150,000.

•A total of 28 local authority employees received remuneration in excess of a quarter of a million pounds in 2017-18.

•The local authority with the greatest number of employees receiving remuneration in excess of £100,000 was Essex council with 55 employees in total earning over this amount. Essex also had the highest number of employees earning over £150,000 at 13. www.taxpayersalliance.com...


It's not about how much money there is in the public purse, it's about who is perceived as deserving the most. And of course, not only public employees (who are paid these extortionate sums), regardless whichever Westminster regime is in control, under the Tories, it is about doing everything possible to shift public money into private hands.



originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: andy06shake

Benefit levels might, of course, be down due to less unemployment? Why do you think ever increasing spending on benefits is a good thing?


Unemployment rates have not fallen. Yet again, government have found ways to crunch the numbers to reflect employment is up but it is not. Certainly, many employers are aware. That is why they continue to pay crap renumeration and expect gold plated qualifications and experience in return.

Preventing deprivation and poverty, protecting the vulnerable, preventing malnutrition and early death, educating our children, housing anyone who needs it, protecting the reputation we once had of being a prosperous country with high life expectancy rates. Doing all of these things is a good thing and the social cost of not doing them should invalidate any financial bias.

But of course, we can longer claim to be the fully civilised society we once aspired to be. Not with obtuse, morally repugnant, racist, lying Tories we currently have in charge.


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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 08:50 AM
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Making snap judgements and comparisons dont work.

Looking at statics the UK whilst being the 10th. in the league for wages.....however

we are the lowest taxed and in most instances even taxed lower than countries

with lower wages.

It dosent make sense to compare unless it is like for like, or looking at the

complete or bigger picture.


www.reinisfischer.com...






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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 09:05 AM
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Brexit thus far has been a judgement based on lies, half-truths, nevermind complete and utter bullcrap.

What makes perfect sense is paying people what the need to survive.

Taking care of our poor, hungry, homeless, disabled and OAPs.

But that's not happening.

Bigger picture???

The bigger picture is Brexit will bring with it the even more forced austerity and a recession ta boot.

The housing market will crash and the banks will fail again, who's going to bail them out next time around?

Because it not going to be Tories and Westminster, it's going to be us once again.
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posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 09:22 AM
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I seem to recall hearing all this doom from Project Fear before. Osbourne told us if we voted Leave the sky would fall in, immediate Emergency Budget, dead rising from graves etc. Did that happen? No. It did not.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 09:29 AM
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a reply to: oldcarpy

But the sky is falling as we speak, and Westminster are making it so.

To be honest, I'm surprised some higher power has not twated the inept shower of complicit bastards with a lightning bolt or two.

The nation should pretty much pray for a late night asteroid strike on the House of Parliament with all her might.

Solve 99% of our issues in one fell swoop. LoL

Need to go do some strimming in the garden now whilst i have the weather.



posted on Apr, 9 2019 @ 09:35 AM
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Do I detect that you might be a bit disillusioned with Westminster, by any chance?




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