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Another night of Brexit drama

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posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 03:37 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
At least May's pretence has ended - she was a remainer from the start... exactly the kind of character to properly represent the remainers, in fact. Their mantra - you can have anything you want as long as it is what we want.


May's problem is that she cannot get any deal through because the Labour block vote. The clear intent of the Labour Party by disallowing a free vote on this is they want mayhem and party politics. They want to force a General Election which they think they will then win. Sod all to do with Brexit, although that's something they think can be dealt with later via referendum round 2 which they will campaign on.

All the faff from the Remainers is just a distraction that drags this all out and pushes no parliamentary majority for anything - thus a General Election to break the deadlock – and then referendum round 2!

Corbyn is quite a canny player on this, but clearly not thinking about the country's interests. Just the Labour Party's interests. Even if a large number of Labour voters who voted "leave" are being ignored.




posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 05:09 AM
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originally posted by: paraphi

May's problem is that she cannot get any deal through because the Labour block vote. The clear intent of the Labour Party by disallowing a free vote on this is they want mayhem and party politics. They want to force a General Election which they think they will then win. Sod all to do with Brexit, although that's something they think can be dealt with later via referendum round 2 which they will campaign on.
All the faff from the Remainers is just a distraction that drags this all out and pushes no parliamentary majority for anything - thus a General Election to break the deadlock – and then referendum round 2!

Corbyn is quite a canny player on this, but clearly not thinking about the country's interests. Just the Labour Party's interests. Even if a large number of Labour voters who voted "leave" are being ignored.


The problem is also in the Tory party because most politicians of all

parties want to remain, so they are not representing the people but their

own interests?


Something has finally snapped inside the Conservative party. After months of Tory remainers inside government mostly keeping their heads down and crossing their fingers, telling themselves Theresa May would never knowingly embrace a no-deal Brexit no matter what she felt compelled to threaten in public, this week’s concerted threat of mass resignations suggests the dam has broken.
On Tuesday morning, May’s good friend Margot James joined fellow ministers Claire Perry and Richard Harrington in co-authoring a piece imploring the prime minister to extend article 50 if a Brexit deal isn’t agreed by 13 March. That follows a similar move over the weekend by Amber Rudd – another long-term May ally – and fellow cabinet ministers David Gauke and Greg Clark which has made the prospect of an extension increasingly likely, with up to 15 ministers said to be ready to resign or be sacked rather than go along with a no-deal Brexit they regard as an unmitigated disaster.


www.theguardian.com...



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 05:13 AM
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a reply to: eletheia

Exactly right - the people voted to end the grip of globalist elites on the UK, but we have globalist elites in our own govt. denying the will of the people. It's not the first time it has happened with the EU. There is no leaving a dictatorship - democracy is dead in Europe.
edit on 4/4/2019 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 05:41 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

Exactly right - the people voted to end the grip of globalist elites on the UK, but we have globalist elites in our own govt. denying the will of the people. It's not the first time it has happened with the EU. There is no leaving a dictatorship - democracy is dead in Europe.




**In a representative democracy the citizens elect representatives from among themselves. These representatives meet to form a governing body, such as a legislature. ... "Rule of the majority" is sometimes referred to as democracy.**


Just one problem with that..... *the elected representatives of the people*

have in fact sold themselves out to the ruling dictatorship, which like every

thing that is so layered and tied up in bureaucracy ends in corruption



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:42 AM
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EU to ban Veggie Burgers

This gave me a laugh. The EU is wasting money and time debating whether or not to ban such terms as "Veggie burger" or "Vegan Sausage"

Why? what is the point?

And this story is from the most pro remain newspaper in the UK outside of Scotland, so don't be thinking it's just another Daily Fail special.

And people still cannot understand why the EU is a bad thing?



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 07:59 AM
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a reply to: SprocketUK



TENSIONS OVER BREXIT, and warnings of a backlash from nationalists if it does not happen soon, have rekindled fears of political violence in Britain. The threat seemed acute on Wednesday, as video of British soldiers using a photograph of opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn for target practice appeared on Snapchat, and the trial of a neo-Nazi who planned to assassinate a pro-European member of Parliament ended.

Corbyn said that he was “shocked” by the video, which was shared on Twitter by current and former members of the British armed forces, after he emerged from talks with Prime Minister Theresa May aimed at finding a way to allow the stalled British exit from the European Union to proceed.

Specter of Far-Right Violence Haunts Crisis Talks Over Brexit

Blame the EU!

But wait! All ads treat us consumers like moronic good boys who need others to do the thinking for them? It's not about politics only?

Blame the EU!



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK
EU to ban Veggie Burgers

This gave me a laugh. The EU is wasting money and time debating whether or not to ban such terms as "Veggie burger" or "Vegan Sausage"

Why? what is the point?

And this story is from the most pro remain newspaper in the UK outside of Scotland, so don't be thinking it's just another Daily Fail special.

And people still cannot understand why the EU is a bad thing?


What is your issue with this? It seems entirely sensible to be honest. A "veggie burger" isn't really a burger so shouldn't be called one. Similarly, a tofu sausage isn't a sausage. It is false advertising.

Even though im a Remainer and should be happy with how things are working out, i actually have far more issue with Fiona Onosanya being allowed to vote in the Bill last night that delayed Brexit. She is the serving MP currently in prison for lying to the Police, perjuring herself in court and attempting to carry out a miscarriage of justice. That is a national scandal (that she is allowed to vote whilst in prison).

The EU protecting food stuffs on the other hand is a good thing.



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 08:29 AM
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originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: UKTruth

Exactly right - the people voted to end the grip of globalist elites on the UK, but we have globalist elites in our own govt. denying the will of the people. It's not the first time it has happened with the EU. There is no leaving a dictatorship - democracy is dead in Europe.




**In a representative democracy the citizens elect representatives from among themselves. These representatives meet to form a governing body, such as a legislature. ... "Rule of the majority" is sometimes referred to as democracy.**


Just one problem with that..... *the elected representatives of the people*

have in fact sold themselves out to the ruling dictatorship, which like every

thing that is so layered and tied up in bureaucracy ends in corruption



But the MPs were never representatives of the constituents of their seats in the first place. We do not have representative democracy in Britain. Instead, we have MPs elected to parliament in the vast majority of cases by a minority of voters in their constituency ("first past the post"). This means that the elected government is supported nearly always by only a minority of people. Neither the MP not the government represents the majority. They represent in a multi-part system, say, only about 30% of the electorate. It's really a mild form of dictatorship, where MPS say things and pass bills totally unrepresentative of the majority of people. It's a mathematical farce of a democracy. All the Brexit votes by remainer MPs have now exposed parliament for the unrepresentative institution that it is.



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 08:31 AM
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a reply to: Flavian


You can't see an issue?
Thats kind of biarre.



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 08:44 AM
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a reply to: SprocketUK

Why is it bizarre? As stated, Tofu sausages aren't sausages so shouldn't be called sausages. That is what the EU is proposing. If you disagree with this, then why?



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 08:48 AM
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originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: SprocketUK

Why is it bizarre? As stated, Tofu sausages aren't sausages so shouldn't be called sausages. That is what the EU is proposing. If you disagree with this, then why?


Has anyone ever bough a veggie burger and felt short changed because it wasn't made of meat? Doubt it.
This isn't a food safety law or a consumer protection law, this is a typical EU law legislating something that simply needs leaving alone.

It's pointless and stupid and a waste of money.



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 09:02 AM
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a reply to: SprocketUK

It's a silly non story in my mind too but it does raise important questions. For example, when you say no one has felt short changed would you feel the same if people were selling water and calling it wine? It is exactly the same arguement.

Sausages are made of meat and wrapped in animal intestines (unless synthetic but they are equally cheaty in my mind). Tofu is not meat and is not wrapped in animal intestine - it is therefore not a Tofu sausage, it is actually a Tofu wrap or just plain old Tofu.

So if someone was selling something in bottles that they called wine but was actually water, would that also be ok?



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 09:03 AM
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a reply to: SprocketUK

That's what this whole Brexit debacle has been so far though, pointless, stupid and a waste of money.



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 09:03 AM
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a reply to: SprocketUK




It's pointless and stupid and a waste of money.


So is the EU, if you ask me.



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK

Has anyone ever bough a veggie burger and felt short changed because it wasn't made of meat? Doubt it.




I suppose for a vegetarian/vegan *it* needs to be called something? and

burger being a pattie made of meat for a vegan is a pattie made of veg

will be as good a name as any?




This isn't a food safety law or a consumer protection law, this is a typical EU law legislating something that simply needs leaving alone.

It's pointless and stupid and a waste of money.



And isn't that only one of the very many reasons for voting

to leave, as you say yet another useless bit of legislation.



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 09:11 AM
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originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: SprocketUK

It's a silly non story in my mind too but it does raise important questions. For example, when you say no one has felt short changed would you feel the same if people were selling water and calling it wine? It is exactly the same arguement.

Sausages are made of meat and wrapped in animal intestines (unless synthetic but they are equally cheaty in my mind). Tofu is not meat and is not wrapped in animal intestine - it is therefore not a Tofu sausage, it is actually a Tofu wrap or just plain old Tofu.

So if someone was selling something in bottles that they called wine but was actually water, would that also be ok?



You are reaching a bit there.
Your definitions are a bit wide.
Has anyone expected a veggie burger or a bean burger or a tofu sausage to contain meat? Highly doubtful.

Taking your definition for sausages begs the question of what you will call skinless sausages also. Or Lanarkshire sausage?



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 09:17 AM
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a reply to: SprocketUK

You can even get square vegan sausage these days.

Kind of a travesty all the same imho. LoL



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 09:51 AM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK


Taking your definition for sausages begs the question of what you will call skinless sausages also. Or Lanarkshire sausage?


I'd call them skinless sausages, which is what they are. Oh, by the way, that isn't my definition of a sausage, it is the OED definition of a sausage. FSA guidelines are also extremely similar.

I can't believe this gets your goat but jailed Labour MP voting on a motion that delays Brexit by one vote doesn't seem to rile you?



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: Flavian

I could get mad about FO not still being in gaol, doesn't really matter much though, they're nearly all awful people who would only be mourned by close family at most.

I posted this because it sums up the EU for me.
People are miserable all over Europe, so what does the parliament do? Waste time making rules about whether Linda McCartney sausages can be called that.

Honestly, it's like the daily Mail and straight bananas.



posted on Apr, 4 2019 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: SprocketUK

You can even get square vegan sausage these days.

Kind of a travesty all the same imho. LoL


Haha.
Maybe the definition should include something about each sausage taking 5 minutes off your life?







 
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