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originally posted by: network dude
Going forward, is this how we do things now? I do want to know how we as a nation evolve from this fiasco. Do we automatically start a resistance campaign against the guy we didn’t want to win and weaponized any and all government agencies we have IN OUR CONTROL AT THE TIME?
I ask because a serious conglomerations of events took place, and a whole lot of laws were bent, hidden, or outright ignored. The most important law that was disregarded is the Constitution. Our forefathers enacted a system of government to be used for our nation. In it, was provisions for electing leaders. That system lays out the process in a fairly simple way, so that constitutional lawyers and leaders can understand it, and act accordingly. When we think something is broken, those crafty old dudes even provided for that, an amendment.
So rather than go about fixing what must have been a YUGE mistake that allowed an outsider to be elected by the people, our leaders (both sides if you buy into that) decided to use some out of the box thinking, and just blatantly use the dirty tricks book they had been operating out of with impunity. Well, now that we know a good deal of what happened, and likely will hear a whole lot more in the coming weeks about just how bad things actually were/are, what can be done to correct this course?
I don’t have the answers, all I have is questions. That, and a few facts that seem to point to a serious problem. It’s time to forget about right vs left, and I don’t like Trump cuz he’s orange. It’s time to focus on the corrupt system that allowed this mess to happen in the first place. If Trump is really a bad leader, the next election should sort that out, so we don’t need to spend a whole lot of time rehashing old lies. He did enough dumb things that are factual to hold up an argument, as well as the good things equally as factual.
So where do we go from here? Ignore it and hope it goes away? Prosecute the mail room guy and call it a win? Or do we go the hard route and try to fix this at it’s core? Is integrity worth the cost?
originally posted by: GenerationGap
originally posted by: network dude
Going forward, is this how we do things now? I do want to know how we as a nation evolve from this fiasco. Do we automatically start a resistance campaign against the guy we didn’t want to win and weaponized any and all government agencies we have IN OUR CONTROL AT THE TIME?
I ask because a serious conglomerations of events took place, and a whole lot of laws were bent, hidden, or outright ignored. The most important law that was disregarded is the Constitution. Our forefathers enacted a system of government to be used for our nation. In it, was provisions for electing leaders. That system lays out the process in a fairly simple way, so that constitutional lawyers and leaders can understand it, and act accordingly. When we think something is broken, those crafty old dudes even provided for that, an amendment.
So rather than go about fixing what must have been a YUGE mistake that allowed an outsider to be elected by the people, our leaders (both sides if you buy into that) decided to use some out of the box thinking, and just blatantly use the dirty tricks book they had been operating out of with impunity. Well, now that we know a good deal of what happened, and likely will hear a whole lot more in the coming weeks about just how bad things actually were/are, what can be done to correct this course?
I don’t have the answers, all I have is questions. That, and a few facts that seem to point to a serious problem. It’s time to forget about right vs left, and I don’t like Trump cuz he’s orange. It’s time to focus on the corrupt system that allowed this mess to happen in the first place. If Trump is really a bad leader, the next election should sort that out, so we don’t need to spend a whole lot of time rehashing old lies. He did enough dumb things that are factual to hold up an argument, as well as the good things equally as factual.
So where do we go from here? Ignore it and hope it goes away? Prosecute the mail room guy and call it a win? Or do we go the hard route and try to fix this at it’s core? Is integrity worth the cost?
The root of all of this is simple and doesn't require thousands of words to explain.
Secret courts are bad.
It really is that simple.
I don't see conservatives being so arrogant.
originally posted by: DAVID64
This is nowhere near over.
The Dems have shown they are willing to do anything to get/stay in power and they don't give a damn who they hurt doing it. They will continue the attacks on Conservatives and anyone who doesn't follow the groupthink .
There is no middle ground with these folks and I'm f**king tired of trying.
originally posted by: GenerationGap
originally posted by: network dude
Going forward, is this how we do things now? I do want to know how we as a nation evolve from this fiasco. Do we automatically start a resistance campaign against the guy we didn’t want to win and weaponized any and all government agencies we have IN OUR CONTROL AT THE TIME?
I ask because a serious conglomerations of events took place, and a whole lot of laws were bent, hidden, or outright ignored. The most important law that was disregarded is the Constitution. Our forefathers enacted a system of government to be used for our nation. In it, was provisions for electing leaders. That system lays out the process in a fairly simple way, so that constitutional lawyers and leaders can understand it, and act accordingly. When we think something is broken, those crafty old dudes even provided for that, an amendment.
So rather than go about fixing what must have been a YUGE mistake that allowed an outsider to be elected by the people, our leaders (both sides if you buy into that) decided to use some out of the box thinking, and just blatantly use the dirty tricks book they had been operating out of with impunity. Well, now that we know a good deal of what happened, and likely will hear a whole lot more in the coming weeks about just how bad things actually were/are, what can be done to correct this course?
I don’t have the answers, all I have is questions. That, and a few facts that seem to point to a serious problem. It’s time to forget about right vs left, and I don’t like Trump cuz he’s orange. It’s time to focus on the corrupt system that allowed this mess to happen in the first place. If Trump is really a bad leader, the next election should sort that out, so we don’t need to spend a whole lot of time rehashing old lies. He did enough dumb things that are factual to hold up an argument, as well as the good things equally as factual.
So where do we go from here? Ignore it and hope it goes away? Prosecute the mail room guy and call it a win? Or do we go the hard route and try to fix this at it’s core? Is integrity worth the cost?
The root of all of this is simple and doesn't require thousands of words to explain.
Secret courts are bad.
It really is that simple.
originally posted by: jimmyx
originally posted by: DAVID64
This is nowhere near over.
The Dems have shown they are willing to do anything to get/stay in power and they don't give a damn who they hurt doing it. They will continue the attacks on Conservatives and anyone who doesn't follow the groupthink .
There is no middle ground with these folks and I'm f**king tired of trying.
what the hell are you talking about?...the republicans controlled the house for 8 straight years. and still control the senate....deal in reality and someone might believe what you say
republicans are not capable of helping poor people get ahead, it's not in their nature....they help the wealthy get wealthier on the backs of the poor and middle class...they have done this for decades, and will continue to do so.....this isn't opinion, this is what actual legislation that they have voted on and passed, has done to our society.
originally posted by: jimmyx
originally posted by: DAVID64
This is nowhere near over.
The Dems have shown they are willing to do anything to get/stay in power and they don't give a damn who they hurt doing it. They will continue the attacks on Conservatives and anyone who doesn't follow the groupthink .
There is no middle ground with these folks and I'm f**king tired of trying.
what the hell are you talking about?...the republicans controlled the house for 8 straight years. and still control the senate....deal in reality and someone might believe what you say
republicans are not capable of helping poor people get ahead, it's not in their nature....they help the wealthy get wealthier on the backs of the poor and middle class...they have done this for decades, and will continue to do so.....this isn't opinion, this is what actual legislation that they have voted on and passed, has done to our society.