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A real problem with the United States of America

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posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: Mach2


What, in my post, looked like I was defending them? I was just pointing out a huge difference in the two situations that you were comparing.


Are the differences really that huge?

Hillary destroyed evidence, and those two hid it. I think there is more damning evidence for Hillary, but why would someone hide official communications while under investigation knowing how that will look if they have nothing to hide? You can say that they have the right to privacy, but they do not while operating under the capacity of government roles.


If it wasn't an apt comparison, in your mind, why make it at all?

That's just whataboutism.


Because my point in the beginning of the thread was we can't fix America if each side recognizes the rules while it's enforced on their opponents but goes out of their way to defend their players.




posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Lab4Us

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: snarfbot
a reply to: network dude
We need to purge these elements from our country


Are you suggesting we start purging Democrats from our country?


There is a need for both Democrats and Republicans to keep each other honest. I would also like to see more Independents actually elected. But we just need actual legislators on all sides, not those who waste taxpayer dollar after dollar chasing perceived gremlins (both sides).

Far left Democrats need to go, just like far right Republicans. There needs to be balance AND both sides need to accept a peaceful transfer of power - one side has not done that since November 2016.

There was a time in this country when sides came together to create legislation to benefit both sides (or most US citizens). Now it is just obstruct, result, burn it to the ground.

The wacko Democrats recently elected to Congress (far, far, far Left) are going to insure things are going to get much, much, much worse before they get better. Yes, those type need to go.


I'm not exactly sure what it is your are saying. Are you saying what we need is to only have politics where everyone thinks the same way? It seems to me when you are ultra right wing everyone else is a left wing extremists. I think people have different values and different ideas on what is important. I don't think the answer is to sanitized the government to have only one way of thinking. It seems to me what you are suggesting is to get rid of democracy and have some form of totalitarianism. Democracy is messy by design.





It is called compromise, not totalitarianism. Not sure how you read that as one party rule forever and ever? Pretty sure I mentioned Democrats, Republicans, and independents...so lots of diversity of thought.

Compromise is not evil and should be the goal going into any negotiation. Far, far, far left and far, far, far right ideas have no place in democracy. They are formed merely to create chaos or belittle those of opposing viewpoints - if not to just further racist ideas. The former (far left) will lead to socialism, or worse, communism. The latter (far right) to the totalitarianism mentioned.

An example of a squandered compromise on the part of the Democrats in Congress is when Trump offered amnesty for 1.8 million non-residents illegally in the US for a few billion wall dollars. 1.8 illegal residents would have become legal US citizens, border would be more secure. Both sides get something, neither gets everything they want...and US citizens gain.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 10:39 AM
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a reply to: Lab4Us

Maybe Republicans can compromises by allowing people to have different opinions and votes they disagree with.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Geez... no way.

My plan is simple. Stop voting for Red & Blue for even one single election cycle. People won't get to dart the other side as a primary voting tactic, and the politicians will change as a direct result of that. The change may be tough, I get it... but we are a strong republic, and I trust my fellow citizens way more than I'd ever trust the politicians. They had their chance... time to retire the Red/Blue standards.

Fight with your vote people... PLEASE!



Adding no less than 3 more party's to general elections may show to break up the one-sided thought processes better than any measure of elimination.


That was my initial proposal. How did you form dictatorship from that?
edit on 25-3-2019 by ttobban because: added statement



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: shooterbrody


What was reported about ivanka and what comey stated hillary actually did are far far different things.


But just hours later, Lowell issued a letter of his own disputing Cummings’ characterization. Lowell said he was referring to Trump’s email use before September 2017 and that he told committee staff that now “she always forwards official business to her White House account.”
AP

Not reported, confirmed by Trump's lawyer.

You're proving my point, both sides only deem it fit to be critical of opponents but not themselves.


Again, I am all for transparency for all of them. We have had enough bs served as actual events and events served as bs.


Which does this fall under for you... I'm curious.

el oh el
comparing what hillary did to what jared and ivanka have done is a joke

while both deserve attention and may require prosecution the comparison is a joke
the fact that you would compare them is telling

it is not transparency you are after it is simply a way to drag ivanka and jared to hillarys level.
it is a way of poo pooing hillarys actual crimes which if any regular american did they would be thrown in jail!
See sub sailor who took a photo for a very good example.

now, if you think ivanka and jared deserve investigation, sure I would agree with that, but to compare them at this point is f'n ridiculous!
comparing them is in no way "transparency" it is bs politics, we have had quite enough of that at this point


edit on 25/3/2019 by shooterbrody because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 10:58 AM
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But, liberals have freedom of speech, and conservatives don't. So why are we allowing this to happen? Why has being conservative been touted as evil by the liberals, calling conservatives fascists and racists when it is far from the truth most times. I am not going to bow down to a black person, they are just like me, we are all surfs in this country but a group of bad surfs is trying to make trouble. I do not want to be an elite,I just want to enjoy my life and stay out of the limelite, I would hate the life of a Movie star or politician. I would hate to be forced to go play golf every week with a bunch of other elites. I would rather sit around a campfire and cook marshmallows, collecting dead firewood from the woods, firewood that by burning does not add to global warming because it does release carbon as it rots anyway. But the Liberals who believe in deception cannot see the reality in things sometimes, they seem to reinforce their beliefs. It is funny to see liberals initiating change, yet the change was forced on us by liberals in the first place. They are fixing what other liberals broke before, it should have never been broken in the first place.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 11:01 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody


while both deserve attention and may require prosecution the comparison is a joke
the fact that you would compare them is telling



Awww, thank you for noticing, I do as well think it's telling 😁

When I don't like something (my employees breaking the rules) regardless of their political alliance I call it out.

Thanks again for the kind words 😘


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it is not transparency you are after it is simply a way to drag ivanka and jared to hillarys level. it is a way of poo pooing hillarys actual crimes which if any regular american did they would be thrown in jail! See sub sailor who took a photo for a very good example.


I already said I think Hillary's (from everything we can see) situation was definitely worse, destroying evidence is a big crime.

But Trump said his admin won't go after her, which was one of his campaign promises. Now his daughter is using private email for official business... Not a good look IMO.

I'll tell ya, it's freeing not having allegiance to one side or the other. Call all the snakes what they are- snakes, liberating.
edit on 25-3-2019 by CriticalStinker because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 11:01 AM
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originally posted by: Lab4Us

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Lab4Us

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: snarfbot
a reply to: network dude
We need to purge these elements from our country


Are you suggesting we start purging Democrats from our country?


There is a need for both Democrats and Republicans to keep each other honest. I would also like to see more Independents actually elected. But we just need actual legislators on all sides, not those who waste taxpayer dollar after dollar chasing perceived gremlins (both sides).

Far left Democrats need to go, just like far right Republicans. There needs to be balance AND both sides need to accept a peaceful transfer of power - one side has not done that since November 2016.

There was a time in this country when sides came together to create legislation to benefit both sides (or most US citizens). Now it is just obstruct, result, burn it to the ground.

The wacko Democrats recently elected to Congress (far, far, far Left) are going to insure things are going to get much, much, much worse before they get better. Yes, those type need to go.


I'm not exactly sure what it is your are saying. Are you saying what we need is to only have politics where everyone thinks the same way? It seems to me when you are ultra right wing everyone else is a left wing extremists. I think people have different values and different ideas on what is important. I don't think the answer is to sanitized the government to have only one way of thinking. It seems to me what you are suggesting is to get rid of democracy and have some form of totalitarianism. Democracy is messy by design.





It is called compromise, not totalitarianism.


To be fair, the language of politics and government is riddled with euphemisms. Like "enhanced interrogation techniques" (as an example). The word "compromise" often seems to me to be an artful dodge to the ugly reality of a given situation.

Picture this. You're sitting in your favorite chair having a drink and reading the paper. There's suddenly a banging knock on the door. You go to see who it is. You look out the peephole (because it's probably not the smartest thing to do to open your door to someone who is beating your door down) and you see a big angry looking dude who is yelling and screaming at you to open the door and let him in.

You keep watching him through the peephole and you suddenly realize he's got a big battering ram and he's telling you that if you don't open up he's going to come in anyway with his battering ram. Terrified, you open the door. A "compromise". Never mind that he really never had any right to be in your living room in the first place.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: Lab4Us

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Lab4Us

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: snarfbot
a reply to: network dude
We need to purge these elements from our country


Are you suggesting we start purging Democrats from our country?


There is a need for both Democrats and Republicans to keep each other honest. I would also like to see more Independents actually elected. But we just need actual legislators on all sides, not those who waste taxpayer dollar after dollar chasing perceived gremlins (both sides).

Far left Democrats need to go, just like far right Republicans. There needs to be balance AND both sides need to accept a peaceful transfer of power - one side has not done that since November 2016.

There was a time in this country when sides came together to create legislation to benefit both sides (or most US citizens). Now it is just obstruct, result, burn it to the ground.

The wacko Democrats recently elected to Congress (far, far, far Left) are going to insure things are going to get much, much, much worse before they get better. Yes, those type need to go.


I'm not exactly sure what it is your are saying. Are you saying what we need is to only have politics where everyone thinks the same way? It seems to me when you are ultra right wing everyone else is a left wing extremists. I think people have different values and different ideas on what is important. I don't think the answer is to sanitized the government to have only one way of thinking. It seems to me what you are suggesting is to get rid of democracy and have some form of totalitarianism. Democracy is messy by design.





It is called compromise, not totalitarianism.


To be fair, the language of politics and government is riddled with euphemisms. Like "enhanced interrogation techniques" (as an example). The word "compromise" often seems to me to be an artful dodge to the ugly reality of a given situation.

Picture this. You're sitting in your favorite chair having a drink and reading the paper. There's suddenly a banging knock on the door. You go to see who it is. You look out the peephole (because it's probably not the smartest thing to do to open your door to someone who is beating your door down) and you see a big angry looking dude who is yelling and screaming at you to open the door and let him in.

You keep watching him through the peephole and you suddenly realize he's got a big battering ram and he's telling you that if you don't open up he's going to come in anyway with his battering ram. Terrified, you open the door. A "compromise". Never mind that he really never had any right to be in your living room in the first place.


Might I suggest a different ending to your analogy?

Rather than opening the door, the guy steps away from the peephole, grabs his .357, and says "doors open, come on in".

Follow this advice, and I gaurantee there will be fewer "maniacs" beating on your door.

Not advocating violence, mind you, just an alternative way to "compromise".



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 11:40 AM
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1. Congressional term limits. No more than 8 years.
2. Review the Emergency powers Congress has given the Executive.
(Note: This article is about Trump, but it is more about the Office than the person)
www.theatlantic.com...
www.washingtonpost.com... 28312c8b9_story.html?utm_term=.4e97ccb2a4f4

3. Re-write how peeps can go from government jobs with oversite to jobs in said industry...IE, SEC and FDA to name a few. Peeps are being paid off with the promise of great jobs if they look the other way.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 11:45 AM
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How can we solve this problem? Not sure, there is corruption in every branch of the government, in its law enforcement and intelligence agencies. The media, and Hollywood are controlled by enemies of the people, so are the largest most powerful corporations. We need to purge these elements from our country


What's your plan? Vote for the GOP? Define "purge"....


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posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Lab4Us

Maybe Republicans can compromises by allowing people to have different opinions and votes they disagree with.


Going to have to disengage, can’t follow your logic, or lack thereof, as it relates to what I’ve posted in this thread. I keep trying to use both parties and Independents, you seem laser focused on blaming Republicans for everything.

FWIW, I am a registered Independent who votes Constitution, not party.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
Word vomit


I am sorry. In the future, I will try to use easier to digest words to suit your 2nd grade mentality.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 12:10 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: network dude

I think both sides are quick to celebrate the "justice" system when it works in their favor and than turn around and cry foul when it doesn't.

There are plenty here who think that Hillary got special treatment for lack of transparency by using a private email server (I'm one of them). To make matters worse she deleted emails the FBI were investigating. But then it's like crickets around here when it comes out Ivanka uses private email and Jared uses Whatsapp.

I think it comes down to the age old saying there are laws for us and laws for them.


Like you, I support JUSTICE, even if it's against a guy I voted for. So if Kushner and his woman are doing bad things, arrest them or whatever needs to be done, but (and this is paramount) be damn sure you didn't let some folks on the other side slide by on the same charges. Equal justice applies to everyone equally.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 12:20 PM
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I'm all for equal justice as well, if someone gets proved of a crime, give them proper punishment.

The left and the media messed up recently with the investigation, throwing hypotheticals out as fact giving the appearance our president worked hand and hand with Russia. I never bought into it and made several threads about how the media was proven to be pushing lies.

My problem as of recently is this made it too easy for the right to justify actions in the Trump admin.

Now here on ATS it's hip to defend Trump no matter what. The right now looks just as cocky as the left did leading up to the 2016 election. I doubt that will hinder the right that much for 2020 as the left can't unify... But this is just a constant cycle.

I don't see any real progress with this tit for tat cycle, and I'm just surprised people aren't catching onto it.

The other problem I've seen is that many of the independents have been polarized and told to pick a side, realigning and reviving both parties we should have let wither and die. We all know they are run by the same people but somehow we allow ourselves to say "one is better" while they cash checks from the same people.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: ttobban

Elections are meaningless. Whoever counts the votes decides the election. It's a function of which party controls the state house. All the politicians running state houses have been bought.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 12:22 PM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: network dude

I think the report in its entirety needs to be released so people can see how much they have been fooled or not and let the people make the decision after analysis of the investigation.

If not, were just going in circles, government officials say whatever they need to to get person x or y behind them. Let the people think for themselves;

Release the report. Show the extent of the hoax.


I agree as does Trump. I think after the Mueller report is out, the Nunes memo needs to be released, and we need to investigate who is dirty, and who needs to go to jail.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

while we are defending Trump from lies like he pisses on Putin for the lolz, nobody discusses the real stupid things he is doing like blasting McCain, who has been worm food for months now. Even if he is as awful as his worst haters believe, it's just something you don't do.

But mere human failures aren't what makes the news, we need death, mayhem, and destruction.

When Hillary is brought in front of some form of inquiry, and asked about her crimes, I'll start to entertain the idea that justice is more than just a pretty word. And I can't wait for the person with an IQ of potato to ask what crimes. They always show up and usually aren't smart enough to click the link showing Comey listing them in order.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 12:37 PM
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I'll tell ya, it's freeing not having allegiance to one side or the other. Call all the snakes what they are- snakes, liberating.

is that what you call it?
phony comparisons to make both look the same only make you look phony.


All of our officials need to be held accountable.
Funny some only want to start today.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: CriticalStinker




I'll tell ya, it's freeing not having allegiance to one side or the other. Call all the snakes what they are- snakes, liberating.

is that what you call it?
phony comparisons to make both look the same only make you look phony.


All of our officials need to be held accountable.
Funny some only want to start today.



I've always said Hillary should be held accountable for her crimes, Trump however won and said he wasn't going after her.

That said, he's running the government now, not her....

So maybe you find it odd that I focus on those running the show, but that just seems natural to me.




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