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A real problem with the United States of America

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posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:20 AM
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a reply to: network dude

It's too late.

At some point in the past we passed the point of no return.

We have actual representatives trying to subvert the Constitution. They've already subverted the rule of law.

We're in the death throes of the republic.


"Alas, Babylon" to coin a phrase.




posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: snarfbot
a reply to: network dude

We need to purge these elements from our country



Are you suggesting we start purging Democrats from our country?



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:21 AM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
Word vomit


FWIW. Because someone can formulate thoughts, use grammar, punctuation and paragraphs correctly does not make it word vomit. Actually, it would indicate someone with an actual education.

I would submit that those who think their one liner (or two word) posts are cute are more guilty of “word vomit” and are clearly unwilling to have an adult conversation...likely because they apparently cannot form a coherent thought that addresses the discussion.

And from reading your posts over the past few years, you are nowhere near a Libertarian. Much closer to socialist in thoughts and ideas, which indicates a liberal leaning.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:22 AM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
This is nowhere near over.
The Dems have shown they are willing to do anything to get/stay in power and they don't give a damn who they hurt doing it. They will continue the attacks on Conservatives and anyone who doesn't follow the groupthink .
There is no middle ground with these folks and I'm f**king tired of trying.


You only criticize and hate in other people what you do not like about your own character.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Did you compare them to hillary and her emails which did contain classified info?
Calls for transparency are great, when that is what they are.
Would you post a link to documented efforts by ivanka and jared for their efforts to circumvent foia?
Surely that is not just speculation, right?
A married couple is allowed to communicate, no?

I am ALL for transparency and for ALL ELECTED OR APPOINTED in government, when it is actually transparency and not some bs story from joy reid.
Attempting to compare the two is disingenuous, unless of course you have info you would like to link that says jared and ivonka are passing classified info on whatsapp?



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:23 AM
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a reply to: Lab4Us

Conservatives have turned into the new version of screeching progressives.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:27 AM
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a reply to: network dude

Too polarized these days, we're too divided. I don't think we'll ever get past this, and if post #2 is any indicator then I know I'm 100% correct. There will be a political civil war before we find peace and compromise again.
edit on 25-3-2019 by LSU2018 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

It's too late.

At some point in the past we passed the point of no return.

We have actual representatives trying to subvert the Constitution. They've already subverted the rule of law.

We're in the death throes of the republic.



I agree. It started with the Patriot Act. We need to repeal the Patriot Act and restore our Constitution. Do still like the Constitution?



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:28 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

I compared, I didn't equate.

Ivanka has used her personal email for official business, which is a no no... Is it as flagrant as Hillary, we don't know but probably not.

The Bush admin had private email servers, and they wiped much of their emails too. Hell, Colin Powell was the one who instructed Hillary to use private emails to stay in the shadows.

I think you are assuming I'm playing favorites. I don't have a favorite here, just providing food for thought is all.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:32 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: snarfbot
a reply to: network dude

We need to purge these elements from our country



Are you suggesting we start purging Democrats from our country?


There is a need for both Democrats and Republicans to keep each other honest. I would also like to see more Independents actually elected. But we just need actual legislators on all sides, not those who waste taxpayer dollar after dollar chasing perceived gremlins (both sides).

Far left Democrats need to go, just like far right Republicans. There needs to be balance AND both sides need to accept a peaceful transfer of power - one side has not done that since November 2016.

There was a time in this country when sides came together to create legislation to benefit both sides (or most US citizens). Now it is just obstruct, resist, burn it to the ground.

The wacko Democrats recently elected to Congress (far, far, far Left) are going to insure things are going to get much, much, much worse before they get better. Yes, those type need to go.
edit on 25/3/2019 by Lab4Us because: Spelling and/or grammar



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:34 AM
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originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: network dude

Too polarized these days, we're too divided. I don't think we'll ever get past this, and if post #2 is any indicator then I know I'm 100% correct. There will be a political civil war before we find peace and compromise again.


So you think civil war is the only answer. Who would be on the two sides of the war and what would victory look like?



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:34 AM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: snarfbot

Be cool if I was a progressive. That's who you are talking about.

Liberals are actually libertarians you are just confused because you are totally ignorant.

Go on..


They call themselves liberals, take it up with them, they're the ignorant ones.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

I haven't assumed anything.
What was reported about ivanka and what comey stated hillary actually did are far far different things.



we don't know

they why compare them?

Again, I am all for transparency for all of them. We have had enough bs served as actual events and events served as bs.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: network dude

Too polarized these days, we're too divided. I don't think we'll ever get past this, and if post #2 is any indicator then I know I'm 100% correct. There will be a political civil war before we find peace and compromise again.


So you think civil war is the only answer. Who would be on the two sides of the war and what would victory look like?


Political civil war and actual civil war are two different things. I would think the coming political civil war will be between moderate Democrats and the AOC brigade. Should the AOC brigade win that one, we can discuss the other.
edit on 25/3/2019 by Lab4Us because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: Lab4Us

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: snarfbot
a reply to: network dude
We need to purge these elements from our country


Are you suggesting we start purging Democrats from our country?


There is a need for both Democrats and Republicans to keep each other honest. I would also like to see more Independents actually elected. But we just need actual legislators on all sides, not those who waste taxpayer dollar after dollar chasing perceived gremlins (both sides).

Far left Democrats need to go, just like far right Republicans. There needs to be balance AND both sides need to accept a peaceful transfer of power - one side has not done that since November 2016.

There was a time in this country when sides came together to create legislation to benefit both sides (or most US citizens). Now it is just obstruct, result, burn it to the ground.

The wacko Democrats recently elected to Congress (far, far, far Left) are going to insure things are going to get much, much, much worse before they get better. Yes, those type need to go.


I'm not exactly sure what it is your are saying. Are you saying what we need is to only have politics where everyone thinks the same way? It seems to me when you are ultra right wing everyone else is a left wing extremists. I think people have different values and different ideas on what is important. I don't think the answer is to sanitized the government to have only one way of thinking. It seems to me what you are suggesting is to get rid of democracy and have some form of totalitarianism. Democracy is messy by design.




edit on 25-3-2019 by dfnj2015 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: network dude

I think the report in its entirety needs to be released so people can see how much they have been fooled or not and let the people make the decision after analysis of the investigation.

If not, were just going in circles, government officials say whatever they need to to get person x or y behind them. Let the people think for themselves;

Release the report. Show the extent of the hoax.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:41 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody


What was reported about ivanka and what comey stated hillary actually did are far far different things.


But just hours later, Lowell issued a letter of his own disputing Cummings’ characterization. Lowell said he was referring to Trump’s email use before September 2017 and that he told committee staff that now “she always forwards official business to her White House account.”
AP

Not reported, confirmed by Trump's lawyer.

You're proving my point, both sides only deem it fit to be critical of opponents but not themselves.


Again, I am all for transparency for all of them. We have had enough bs served as actual events and events served as bs.


Which does this fall under for you... I'm curious.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:41 AM
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Just change the name to Divided States of America and all is good and true.


Its the United part that has never really been experienced in any nation for that matter.

All governed nations, whether by democracy or by dictator ship are divided on many fronts.

Its human nature I suppose.

A hope for unity but a deep seeded need to be divided for many reasons.

Responsibility and taking it upon one self to admit being wrong is a big issue all over that strengthens divide.

The US still has a chance to show the world it can be united to a certain extent or to what many believe it can be but I think a smaller nation if there ever will be one that can show unity across the board that will show the other nations what unity is, doubtful as I say its in our nature to only unite when we need fight the other side, whatever that may be.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: network dude

Too polarized these days, we're too divided. I don't think we'll ever get past this, and if post #2 is any indicator then I know I'm 100% correct. There will be a political civil war before we find peace and compromise again.


So you think civil war is the only answer. Who would be on the two sides of the war and what would victory look like?


No, I think it's the only solution, and you've yet to give one so for now, my solution is better than yours.

I'd rather see the democrats take their ideology and policies to one side of the country where they they can live in their utopia under their own rules and Republicans can do the same in their own part of the country.

For the present, things are only going to get worse. We're too divided.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 09:46 AM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: network dude

I think the report in its entirety needs to be released so people can see how much they have been fooled or not and let the people make the decision after analysis of the investigation.

If not, were just going in circles, government officials say whatever they need to to get person x or y behind them. Let the people think for themselves;

Release the report. Show the extent of the hoax.


There is no hoax. Mueller is a Republican and the special counsel was created by a Republican appointed by Trump:

"The Special Counsel investigation of 2017 to 2019 (also referred to as the Mueller probe or the Mueller investigation)[1] was a United States law enforcement and counterintelligence investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. According to its authorizing document which was signed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein on May 17, 2017, the investigation's scope included the allegation that there were links or coordination between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the Russian government[2][3] as well as "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation". The scope of the investigation also included potential obstruction of justice by Trump and others.[4] It was conducted by the Department of Justice Special Counsel's Office, headed by Robert Mueller, a Republican and former Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)."

en.wikipedia.org...(2017%E2%80%932019)

The investigation not ousting Trump is really bad news for Pence. Every liberal I know prefers Trump to Pence. At least Trump is a social liberal. Maybe Pence and his team will finally back off trying to get Trump out of office.



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