NO COLLUSION - Special Counsel Mueller has submitted report to AG Barr...it's over folks

originally posted by: Mach2
a reply to: chr0naut

Who made the allegations, and on the basis of what proof, or credible information?

Anyone can alledge anything they want. You don't normally take them seriously without credible evidence to back it up. The entire basis of the charade was based on a fake dossier, leading to an illegal (IMO) FISA warrant, requested by conspirators in the FBI, abetted by an opposition "justice" department, that produced nothing.

You don't see a problem with any of this? At all?

Yes, anyone can allege anything they want but you are right, you don't take them seriously without credible evidence. Ergo, there must have been credible evidence which you have not been privy to.

Firstly, you don't know if the dossier was fake or not. Neither do most of the commentators. Secondly, the dossier was not the only initiator of the investigation. They were also looking for who authorized and paid for the hacking that exposed the DNC e-mails, too. Not to mention the Russian trolling that produced the numerous false Facebook content.

The FISA warrant required sign off from a judge who agreed with the investigators that there were grounds. The FISA warrant ended up in conviction of campaign fraud, precisely what was being prosecuted bu the Special Counsel. The fact that it resulted in a conviction on those grounds validates the warrant.

There have been about 30 indictments due to the investigation. It hasn't produced nothing.

a reply to: matafuchs

But but but drain the swamp!!!

originally posted by: UKTruth
If the report has nothing to indict Trump or recommend impeachment after 3 years of investigation, 2 of which were a Special Counsel, then we'll have to conclude that President Trump is the least corrupt world leader in history.

Don't worry they are going state level now using NY and will go back to 8th grade...There got to be something, anything there.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Mach2
a reply to: chr0naut

Who made the allegations, and on the basis of what proof, or credible information?

Anyone can alledge anything they want. You don't normally take them seriously without credible evidence to back it up. The entire basis of the charade was based on a fake dossier, leading to an illegal (IMO) FISA warrant, requested by conspirators in the FBI, abetted by an opposition "justice" department, that produced nothing.

You don't see a problem with any of this? At all?

There have been about 30 indictments due to the investigation. It hasn't produced nothing.

Yeah, some financial crimes that you could probably prosecute half of DC for and some trophy indictments of Russians that mean nothing and specifically pointed out no Americans were involved in that particular case.

It wasn't worth all the chaos and division it caused. It played right into Putin's hands.

originally posted by: annoyedpharmacist

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

Who has been convicted in connection with Russian interference?

Google it, but don't look at the ones from earlier than this year.

.......perhaps you should just man up and post an answer to the question the poster asked you two times?

I have already posted it.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

Then he should be charged and prosecuted. In America we investigate crimes, not people in the hopes of finding a crime.

What is the point of investigation if we already know a crime has been committed and who the guilty party is?

The rule is 'innocent until proven guilty', and that determination of guilt happens in a court of law, and well after the investigation.

An investigation does not equal guilt, just like an allegation does not equal guilt.

To investigate there must be a crime.
Otherwise what is being investigated?
An investigation uncovers who committed the crime.

The crime was Russian interference in the 2016 US Presidential elections. There was no doubt that it occurred. It was alleged that individuals from the Trump campaign had conspired with the Russians. There were many indictments and convictions to that effect as a result of the investigation.

Show me one indictment that shows anyone connected to trump conspiring with russians in the 2016 election.

OK

Nothing in that link you posted said that a trump campaign official knowingly got info from the Russians, the person thought they were getting something from Guccifer 2.0. Guccifer 2.0 was not supposed to be tied to russia, it was supposed to be wiki leaks info that they were getting in advance of the press..

Some of the information from the Dossier was gotten from Russia too, so that would actually be the same thing as Trump officials supposedly did. I do not think the Hillary campaign knew that information from Russia was being used in the dossier they paid for and promoted.

Read the article with an open mind that you linked as proof of Russian collusion. The information released from the Meuller/Comey team quite a while back already stated there was no party that knew the Russians were behind the information, that also goes for information provided for the dossier that started all of this. Some people who got the info for the dossier did know some was coming from the Russians, but no politician can be shown to have known about that.

originally posted by: Tarzan the apeman.
a reply to: chr0naut

I thought 24 Russians were indicted earlier this year. But we aren't ever going to see those people in our courts.

I think it was less 24 but it is true that they will most likely escape conviction.

originally posted by: matafuchs
Investigating the campaign
investigating the foundation
investigating the business
investigating the transition
investigating the white house...2 years and millions of dollars

finding nothing.....priceless....

Voters will NOT forget this. They did not in 2016. Midterms swayed the centrist voter but we lost nothing and gained in the Senate. 2020, if Trump can take back the house and flush some more RINO's, will be a dream scenario for true Americans.

Impeach this....

Based upon?

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

Then he should be charged and prosecuted. In America we investigate crimes, not people in the hopes of finding a crime.

What is the point of investigation if we already know a crime has been committed and who the guilty party is?

The rule is 'innocent until proven guilty', and that determination of guilt happens in a court of law, and well after the investigation.

An investigation does not equal guilt, just like an allegation does not equal guilt.

To investigate there must be a crime.
Otherwise what is being investigated?
An investigation uncovers who committed the crime.

The crime was Russian interference in the 2016 US Presidential elections. There was no doubt that it occurred. It was alleged that individuals from the Trump campaign had conspired with the Russians. There were many indictments and convictions to that effect as a result of the investigation.

Show me one indictment that shows anyone connected to trump conspiring with russians in the 2016 election.

OK

Read the article with an open mind that you linked as proof of Russian collusion. The information released from the Meuller/Comey team quite a while back already stated there was no party that knew the Russians were behind the information, that also goes for information provided for the dossier that started all of this. Some people who got the info for the dossier did know some was coming from the Russians, but no politician can be shown to have known about that.

This is the crux of it. The left got played by the Russians to cause this chaos for the past 2 years.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: matafuchs
Investigating the campaign
investigating the foundation
investigating the business
investigating the transition
investigating the white house...2 years and millions of dollars

finding nothing.....priceless....

Voters will NOT forget this. They did not in 2016. Midterms swayed the centrist voter but we lost nothing and gained in the Senate. 2020, if Trump can take back the house and flush some more RINO's, will be a dream scenario for true Americans.

Impeach this....

Based upon?

Americans don't like tax dollars taken from them for absolutely nothing. We're actually kinda independent because of it...

MSNBC Rachael Maddow actually cried on TV tonight 😆

a reply to: chr0naut

Literally nothing you just said is true.

"Ergo, there must have been evidence"

False, that's a huge leap.

Steele testified he had no knowledge that any of it was true.

The FISA judge did not have the facts. Even Comey admits as much.

There was no conviction for Campaign fraud, period.

There were no indictments that were, in any way, related to Trump.

Done with you now.

a reply to: Gin

Damn.

They went full retard.

You never go full retard.

a reply to: xuenchen

Again?
Did she dry the tears with trumps tax returns ?

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

El oh el
WTF is a FISA raid ?
Do they have those in hobbiton?

FISA stand for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

As this was about Russian interference into the elections, it falls under the Act as a reason to request a raid to gather evidence.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

Then he should be charged and prosecuted. In America we investigate crimes, not people in the hopes of finding a crime.

What is the point of investigation if we already know a crime has been committed and who the guilty party is?

The rule is 'innocent until proven guilty', and that determination of guilt happens in a court of law, and well after the investigation.

An investigation does not equal guilt, just like an allegation does not equal guilt.

To investigate there must be a crime.
Otherwise what is being investigated?
An investigation uncovers who committed the crime.

The crime was Russian interference in the 2016 US Presidential elections. There was no doubt that it occurred. It was alleged that individuals from the Trump campaign had conspired with the Russians. There were many indictments and convictions to that effect as a result of the investigation.

Show me one indictment that shows anyone connected to trump conspiring with russians in the 2016 election.

OK

Read the article with an open mind that you linked as proof of Russian collusion. The information released from the Meuller/Comey team quite a while back already stated there was no party that knew the Russians were behind the information, that also goes for information provided for the dossier that started all of this. Some people who got the info for the dossier did know some was coming from the Russians, but no politician can be shown to have known about that.

This is the crux of it. The left got played by the Russians to cause this chaos for the past 2 years.

Yeah, the Dems got played and are trying to get everyone to focus on Trump so they will not see they messed up too.