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Capitalism and the Reactionary Power of White Identity Politics

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posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

So you've used the word whitebread a few times. I know I've heard it used before but I'm not always sure what it means.
urbandictionary: whitebread

Top definition
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The term implies profound cultural naïvete, blind consumerism, and an unquestioning "follower" mindset. Common trappings of the whitebread lifestyle include golf, Kenny G and Enya CDs, SUVs, an irrational fixation on lawn care, Golden Retrievers, nominally Christian religious beliefs, Old Navy clothing, moderate to conservative political views, bad Chardonnay, equally bad espresso, cookie-cutter houses, Bath & Body Works hygiene products, and very white-collar employment.

by Greenie March 24, 2004
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Plain, tasteless, boring, lame. Just like white bread!
-She's nothing special, just a typical white bread bitch.
-All the guys in the halfpipe are pulling the same white bread tricks as last year
by Derek February 08, 2004
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One of the worst racial insults ever. Now callin these white boys cracka-ass crackas is one thing, but who got lazy and called them "white bread"?

It's just the race with a food at the end
"Whats up white bread?"
"Not much, black beans"
...
by Dr. Ron Octagon, Male Prostitute May 22, 2005

It looks like it should be considered an insult. Who would want to be considered banal, plain, boring, predictable?
I'll just keep these definitions in mind while reading the articles you linked to.




posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: pthena

OOOHhhhhhh?!!?!?

So nuanced and effective.

Edgy? ✅

Zinggy? ✅ ✅

Baity? ✅ ✅ ✅



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: IAMTAT

What is meant by this term "whitebread"?


I've fished with some compacted on my hook before.

Take that as you wish.


I like fishing too.
Using white bread as bait, quickly gets soggy and falls off the hook.

I used it for catching 'shiners' down in Florida. The shiners were for use as bass bait. If I used a tiny gold hook, I didn't even need the white bread.
Maybe adding a bit of mayonnaise to the bread would make it stick to the hook better?


TY.
I'll be doing some fishing down in Florida this fall...I'll try using some mayo next time.

Say, is using white bread any more effective than using crackers?



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 10:48 AM
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... This sets up the demonization of non-whites as ‘job-stealers,’ 


The "job stealing" narrative is not the only way that Capitalism and the Reactionary Power of White Identity Politics is affecting our country.

Look at the free online porn industry (can't get anymore capitalistic than that) ... I can't go to a free porn website with out being exposed to black and brown men with erections larger then life itself ... talk about mindfck, no white man can view that stuff and not feel impatient in their masculinity; this undoubtedly leads to resentment and a desire to oppress these gargantuanly phallic black and brown men.

But it doesn't stop there does it? Do you see an equal number of black females in those free porn videos as you do their male counterparts? No the costars are always extremely attractive white women ... and not just any white women, more often than not they are blonde haired and blue eyed ... can't get anymore white than these lovely ladies. So here you have videos depicting penially gifted black and brown men having their way with white women and puting forth not only the narrative that white men are less satisfying to the faire sex ... but that these hordes of dark men and their womb brooms are stealing white women.

And who is making and distributing these free online porn videos? Rich white men ... clearly the whole porn industry has been designed to instill distrust and division between the working class white man and people of color.

But remember folks black and brown men with industrial sized pleasure pumps are just a myth put forth by rich white men. Don't buy into their white settler mentality. Be confident in your masculinity; invite a black or brown man over and get to know him, you might find you have a lot in common; introduce the gentleman to your wives with out fear that she won't be able to help herself. Say no to the opressers and their mind games.
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posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 10:50 AM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

Proof you can catch fish with bread.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 10:55 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion


The flipside to the criminalization of non-whites has been less articulated but arguably even more important: an us-vs-them dichotomy that defines whiteness as good develops from the contrast to the criminalized non-white ‘wrongdoers’. In other words, we have for so long and strongly lived in a society where we have been taught that the black man (truly extends broader to the generalized non-whites) is a criminal, we arguably see police brutality as an act of self-defense rather than a product of internalized racism.

The people who believe this "us-vs-them dichotomy" actually still exists and is the primary influence behind conservative decisions are living in a fantasy land imo. Sure some racism still exists and some KKK members still exist, but this notion they exist in abundance and control large fractions of society is delusional and designed only to dismiss and deride political opponents. And it clearly doesn't matter if the conservative in question is black, they get the same harsh treatment and are called traitors to their own race simply for having a certain political belief.

I don't recall society teaching me that "the black man is a criminal", that's why racism is much less prevalent today than decades ago. The reality of the situation is that African-Americans do commit a disproportionate amount of crime, however I don't judge every black person I see based on that, I judge them individually for who they are as a person. Cops can treat black people unfairly and assume they are criminals, and as much it's politically incorrect to say, they often form those beliefs after dealing with a lot of black criminals. Obviously the discrimination is wrong but it's not like it's purely the result of racism.

Also I don't think African-Americans are more predisposed to commit crimes, I think it's more a result of the culture and life style they are often brought up with. A black kid living in the "hood" is far more likely to end up in prison compared to a black kid who grows up in a rich part of town with loving parents. It's very hard to escape those cultural influences so I don't judge them harshly for making poorer choices in life but I'd also say progress is in their hands and no one else, having black hiring quotas isn't equality and it doesn't actually help them grow in the long run.

I've even seen black people rant about this cultural issue passionately. We have a similar situation with the aboriginals here in Australia, they get every possible advantage, they have so many benefits from the government that normal Australians do not get, but after decades we still have clusters of aboriginal people living in very run down communities. Once again I'm not judging them for this, but it's important we understand the core reasons why native populations often have trouble escaping poverty and criminality and stop blaming it entirely on some conceptualized racist white guys who pull all the strings.
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posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 10:59 AM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: DanDanDat

Proof you can catch fish with bread.


...even if you only have a little dinghy.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 11:01 AM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: DanDanDat

Proof you can catch fish with bread.


...even if you only have a little dinghy.


Motion of the ocean and all that.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 11:03 AM
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How about we focus on what factors lead a person to be more likely to commit a crime:

1. background of poverty
2. broken family
3. being male

Those are three.

Let's look at racial statistics on those factors. Black males are more likely than all other demographics to grow up in poverty and grow up in broken homes. We know from family studies that young boys are more sensitive than young girls to being in a broken family without a male role model in the home.

It is a known fact that well over 70% of black children are born out of wedlock.

You can argue that this problem was created by criminalizing blacks, but even as far back as Jim Crow, the black family was a strong institution with black men growing up in two parent homes as often as white men. This has eroded since.

We know from studies that growing up in single parent homes increases drastically the likelihood of growing up in poverty. You can argue that criminalizing blacks increases the chances of growing up in single parent homes, but again, looking back this was not always so.

It seems to me that one of the best ways to begin to address this issue would be to begin to address the black family. It wouldn't fix everything for sure and there are other problems, but this would do a lot toward fixing some of the big problems.
edit on 22-3-2019 by ketsuko because: my "k" key is persnickety



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 11:50 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker





Proof you can catch fish with bread.


My biggest cat 32lb was caught on garbanzo beans...the white ones.

topic....I have no problem being a white, brutally handsome, male American. I don't even feel guilty for the status it affords in the National competitive milieu.




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posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 11:51 AM
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Maybe the OPshould visit Appalachia.... Then they would see that poor and oppressed come in all colors. What has always been... And will always is be is a fight between rich and poor. Race is a convenient distraction to keep the poor from organising. Case in point.... The education system. If you are rich... Your kids are in no problem. Regardless of color.


ETA.... whitebread is a racial slur and the mods should take note as such.
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posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: CriticalStinker





Proof you can catch fish with bread.


My biggest cat 32lb was caught on garbanzo beans...the white ones.






We call that a bait stealer.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: DanDanDat

... This sets up the demonization of non-whites as ‘job-stealers,’ 


The "job stealing" narrative is not the only way that Capitalism and the Reactionary Power of White Identity Politics is affecting our country.

Look at the free online porn industry (can't get anymore capitalistic than that) ... I can't go to a free porn website with out being exposed to black and brown men with erections larger then life itself ... talk about mindfck, no white man can view that stuff and not feel impatient in their masculinity; this undoubtedly leads to resentment and a desire to oppress these gargantuanly phallic black and brown men.

But it doesn't stop there does it? Do you see an equal number of black females in those free porn videos as you do their male counterparts? No the costars are always extremely attractive white women ... and not just any white women, more often than not they are blonde haired and blue eyed ... can't get anymore white than these lovely ladies. So here you have videos depicting penially gifted black and brown men having their way with white women and puting forth not only the narrative that white men are less satisfying to the faire sex ... but that these hordes of dark men and their womb brooms are stealing white women.

And who is making and distributing these free online porn videos? Rich white men ... clearly the whole porn industry has been designed to instill distrust and division between the working class white man and people of color.

But remember folks black and brown men with industrial sized pleasure pumps are just a myth put forth by rich white men. Don't buy into their white settler mentality. Be confident in your masculinity; invite a black or brown man over and get to know him, you might find you have a lot in common; introduce the gentleman to your wives with out fear that she won't be able to help herself. Say no to the opressers and their mind games.


Hmmm...how do you feel masculine at all sitting staring at a screen with your cock in your hand watching people have sex whoever they are?



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: pthena

OOOHhhhhhh?!!?!?

So nuanced and effective.

Edgy? ✅

Zinggy? ✅ ✅

Baity? ✅ ✅ ✅

They're definitions. I listed the top three. If I had wanted to be Zinggy then I would have focused on "profound cultural naïvete, blind consumerism, and an unquestioning "follower" mindset."

Those seem to actually describe run of the mill Americans. For nuance read the Counterpunch article:

One major way in doing this is through labor unions. Prior to deindustrialization and the purging of left-wing radicals from their memberships, unions had been a space in which different groups of people were drawn together, forced to see one another as allies rather than competitors. Radicals among them also pushed white union members to know more about issues surrounding capitalism and the importance of solidarity in the face of right-wing assault. This education was stopped once labor unions were gutted of their radicals by liberal reformers and when labor leaders themselves decided to allow its white members to maintain segregated unions and to essentially, retreat into their whiteness.

Liberals purged Radicals. There's the nuance.

The right is rightfully pointing out "Identity Politics" in the Left. The Right feels aggrieved and reciprocates with "But what about the disadvantaged Whites; disadvantaged by programs to help non-whites".

Back when the U.S. populous was lied into supporting the completely voluntary, unprovoked invasion of Iraq, Liberals went along with it thinking that "the White Man's Burden" to liberalize socially (eg. women's rights, end of crippling sanctions) was justification enough.

Noam Chomsky disagreed and mentioned that he was opposed to the Liberals as much as he was the Neo-cons. He mentioned a book he had written, basically a collection of essays and talk transcripts, about the Viet Nam War; American Power and the New Mandarins

Chomsky develops the proposition, laid out in The Responsibility of Intellectuals, that the American intellectual and technical class, in universities and in government (the New Mandarins), bear major responsibility for the atrocities perpetrated by the United States in Vietnam.

His fundamental point on the New Mandarins is that we should not uncritically accept the claim that technocratic approaches are neutral and beneficial. He writes: 'Quite generally, what grounds are there for supposing that those whose claim to power is based on knowledge and technique will be more benign in their exercise of power than those whose claim is based on wealth or aristocratic origin? On the contrary, one might expect the new mandarin to be dangerously arrogant, aggressive and incapable of adjusting to failure, as compared with his predecessor, whose claim to power was not diminished by honesty as to the limitations of his knowledge, lack of work to do or demonstrable mistakes.'[2]

He also suggests that common presumptions about the greatness of the West and the modern age are misguided. He writes that these assumptions are created automatically regardless of real social conditions: 'one would expect any group with access to power and affluence to construct an ideology that will justify this state of affairs on the grounds of the general welfare.'

I must admit that I understood what his thesis was, although I didn't get a lot from the actual essays. I think the Counterpunch article is probably easier to understand. People should actually read it, as opposed to going for the knee jerk reaction.

I don't think I have much more to add really.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 12:33 PM
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You were the messenger of the term, I wasn't jabbing at you, I should have voiced that.

I wasn't knee jerking, rather pointing out how OP sabotaged their own discussion by bringing buzz words in... Which for the record don't bother me, I find what ensued to be rather entertaining.

I got half way through your new post and deja vu as last night before bed I got through Noam Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" video on YouTube.



I've read some of his work, and watched compilations of his videos.... I try to keep my profile of who I read and listen to diverse to see every side's take.

I think it is interesting that he started going after the media decades ago, and still does to this day. When you get to the extremes on both side you see them complain about the media being biased towards the other side while as someone else has pointed out it in this thread that maybe the groups of bias are typically wrong (IE. Identity politics, right vs left) and really comes down to rich (power) vs poor (less power).



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 12:51 PM
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It's not even rich = power vs. poor = no power. Sometimes, poor people have power and rich people don't. It's simply a dichotomy of power v. no power. People want power and then they use it usually poorly and without regard for who it hurt.

Right now, victimhood is a position of power. Society awards victim status lots of power because the perception is that the victim has no power. So you see people falling all over themselves to make victimhood part of their lives. To make themselves seem weak and powerless even if they have all kinds of actual power.

Look at someone like Ilhan Omar who says pretty much whatever she wants but is perceived as a perpetual victim because of her gender, religion and status as a POC.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 12:59 PM
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I got half way through your new post and deja vu as last night before bed I got through Noam Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" video on YouTube.

2:47:37 Kudos! I have yet to get through 10 minutes.
But if I take the time, the World will miss out on the wisdom that I can spout off the cuff. LOL! That's me laughing at myself.

The biggest delusion that I see displayed on ATS is the notion that taking a red pill instantly removes all delusion, from then on the woke people are immune from delusion.

In my experience, it takes years, decades even, of hard work and evaluation, and still, some delusion remains. But that's just me. Maybe I'm slower than the average woke person.

Anyway: I'll do a quick check to see what other threads I should look at, then take the 2:47:37



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 01:09 PM
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Right now, victimhood is a position of power. Society awards victim status lots of power because the perception is that the victim has no power. So you see people falling all over themselves to make victimhood part of their lives. To make themselves seem weak and powerless even if they have all kinds of actual power.


There may be something to that, and it surely has been seen in all kinds of groups.


Look at someone like Ilhan Omar who says pretty much whatever she wants but is perceived as a perpetual victim because of her gender, religion and status as a POC.


Certainly people (maybe her too, I haven't seen it specifically) bring into her account that she is a female, a minority, and a Muslim. People also point to that in negative light. Some (maybe her again) act as if she is a victim because of that, and other feel victimized for that.

That one is an interesting example as it highlights both side of the "victimization" and also identity politics being played on both sides.

I think the media and partisan politics have blown up the "issue" which I've said before is not as big of an issue as they would like to proclaim it to be.

With all the talks of racism and anti-semitism, why is it that our last president is black and one of the leading democrats is Jewish?

Personally I see society is functioning (for the most part) just fine. I live in a diverse community and see no ill interactions between any groups (at a large scale), so I'm lead to believe both (political sides) are doing it for attention.
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posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 01:32 PM
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Yes it is. The rich make the rules. Ergo why a politician can violate securuty rules, but a Private goes to jail. Why a rich persons unqualified kid goes to A-list school on scholly, while same qualified poor kid gets nothing. Why POS Jordan Belfort does less time than a POS doing crack.

It IS about rich vs poor. Prove me wrong.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: Middleoftheroad

Why not just call one a nationalist then? If an Asian-American says he's a nationalist I wouldn't consider him an asian-nationalist.

His race is not important. It only becomes important if race is apart of one's ideology.

Why would you label nationalists by race if race had no connection to idealogy?



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