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Originally posted by Lartsa Cleargleam
EarthSister,
You speak with a sincerity that is impossible to overlook, but I can't help but to wonder what it is you're doing with this knowledge that you have.
Seeing how sincere you are in your posting and writing says that you are one of three things: crazy, a serious prankster, or completely and totally honest.
Especially in saying that the majority of everyone else's experiences aren't what they say they are, but that yours is.
[edit on 5-3-2005 by Lartsa Cleargleam]
Originally posted by Lartsa Cleargleam
EarthSister,
You speak with a sincerity that is impossible to overlook, but I can't help but to wonder what it is you're doing with this knowledge that you have.
Surely Zar, Xandar, and Co. have communicated to you the things that need to change with humanity for us to overcome our trivialities and go to the next level. And I highly doubt hosting a Geocities-esque, New Age-y website that will only attract a few crazies here and there is part of the big plan.
I'm sorry, but Gazrok is right about more than just extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary proof.If these benevolent aliens revealed themselves to humanity, we would all benefit from the technology that would be presented. No more starving children, no more pollution to the planet, et cetera. The fact that they don't do this, sends a very strong message and that's the main point Gazrok was trying to get across.
Seeing how sincere you are in your posting and writing says that you are one of three things: crazy, a serious prankster, or completely and totally honest.
Seeing some of the things on your site that look incredibly silly and cliché kind of make me lean towards the second one. I've already mentioned such characters as "Zar" and "Xandar," but "Einstein" in all of his slacks and loafers glory takes the cake.
I've had some really simple (compared to yours) extraordinary things happen to me that no one has believed so I'm not willing to jump the gun just yet, but you have to admit that even to those that believe in this kind of stuff, you're sounding pretty out there.
Especially in saying that the majority of everyone else's experiences aren't what they say they are, but that yours is.
Originally posted by EarthSister
Thank you for your point of view, X. Hey, you said what I said, only better.
Originally posted by Lartsa Cleargleam
Edit: Ah, so you have a 600-page book ready to be published, eh? I guess that beats the website for trying to get your message out there, but I suppose that depends on how much it's going to cost.
Will it be a free e-book or will the message you have for humanity not come without a price-tag?
Hey, people gotta make a livin'.
[edit on 5-3-2005 by Lartsa Cleargleam]
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Earth Sister, what is stopping you from uploading all your journals on PDF file for everyone to see. I hope you understand, but your case makes one very dubious, because:
1) You have absolutely no evidence, other than your written words
2) You do not explain yourself properly and regularly contradict yourself and keep on blaming the government. I still find it very difficult to digest that the alens erased the government records they had on you.
3) There is nothing new you have offered in terms of spiritual insight or technical insight.
Now, please understand there are so many people like you who claim they are in contact with different kinds of aliens, and some of them have used to form sex cults like the Raelians and others like the heavens gate cult formed suicide cults. So, we are now being very wary of people who make such claims.
Now, some of these so called messengers of the aliens, do actually provide some substance, so that people like mysef can read and decide for ourselves how much value it has.
Take, the cassopeans for instance, there is an entire web site of channeled information. It might not be true, but at least I have something. At least there is some substance.
Then, take Nancy Leider, she has an entire web site of information and answers every conceivable question on Zetans in great detail, now whether they are true is another question altogether, but at least there is substance.
Finally, take Billy Meier, he has all kinds of evidence, including physical evidence, thousands of photographs, and so many freely available transcripts of channeled information with the aliens, as well as his own form of spirituality and meditation. There is even the Talmund of Jmmanuel. There is a lot of evidence - a lot of substance.
Now, as there is substance in all the aforementioned, in varying degrees, people will be attracted to them and be prepared to purchase their books etc.
Yet, in your case, there is nothing - zilch - nada, and there I am sorry to say, not I or anyone will purchase your journals or books. Further more, it is highly suspect that you would even sell them.
You see, you claim the aliens are making contact with the "chosen ones" and they disseminate the alien information to make the world aware, and you are not doing that at all Earthsister, what you are doing, is trying to publish a book - and that means making money. And if you were truly sincere and truly wanted to help us all, you would publish your book online, absolutely free of cost.
So many have done that, in fact a book called "alles of humanity" also about contact and is also available to purchase in hard copy and was recently published by it's author online in full.
In, fact finding free informaion and e-books online is easy. There are free yoga books, meditation books, psychic development books, remote viewing books, thousands of how to articles on a multitude of things. Knowledge is always suppose to be free. I suggest you click onto the free e-books topic in BTS literature forum, just to see just how much information is already out there on spirituality and aliens.
So, why should we, buy your books to find about aliens and spirituality, when you've given us so little information and zilch evidence, when we can just get it free from others and actually learn something new.
Why should we trust you, when you claim that this worlds needs a lot of help right now, and aliens are trying their best to help us, by contacting it's soul family members on Earth to distribute information, when neither the aliens have done anything, and you, yourself, are more concerned about getting your book published.
I am sorry, but just like Rob on x-zone, I don't buy any of this, and if you really are telling the truth, then you're doing a very lousy job of being an alien messenger. I would think, that if you are indeed an advanced soul from the alien family, you could have done a better job - a much better job.
Hey, they say Jesus was an advanced soul from aliens, and look at what he did.
[edit on 5-3-2005 by Indigo_Child]
I think it's unfair to say that EarthSister is saying that ALL other experiences are false. That's not what she's trying to convey at all.
Fact: Horror to HUNDREDS, even THOUSANDS is what you are TOLD to believe as more and more evidence of alien visitation is being discovered by the publics around the world.
Almost ALL the people are lying or mistaken...
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Hi, Earthsister, I apologise if I sounded disrespectful, these were not my intentions. I am quite a nice person, but I am also very serious about issues such as spirituality, religion and aliens and ufos. I am sorry if my approach was hard on you, but I still stand by all my points.
No, I don't believe you are setting anyone up for heavens gate or sex cults, however even though your material is seemingly innocent, it does sound like pro-alien and anti-government propoganda, and if it indeed is that, it is as intellectually disparaging as other cults.
What so many are saying to you, if the aliens are indeed our friends/allies and as you mentioned in your interview yesterday with Rob, of how aliens contacting the governments and offering them technology to help the planet, why don't they just contact us, we the people. If they really want to help us, feed the poor, clean the environment, then why are they not coming to us?
Yes, I understand there could be a non-intervention policy and we should be allowed to develop ourselves, but don't you think they've already forfited our free will and our development, by contacting our governments, abducting our people, violating our air space and offering them technology. It seems they're as complicit in this cover-up as the government is.
The biggest violation of our laws, is something you claimed in your interview, that the aliens got rid of the records the government had on you. So, do aliens do you personal favours as well?
Then you say the aliens are trying very hard to help mankind and they have a project where certain souls related to them by family are contacted and are given the job to be messengers of alien knowledge. You are one, right?
You recognise there is a urgency that we learn about contact and the government agenda, right? You have been given the mammoth responsibility to bring man into light, right?
And what are you doing? You're trying desperately to get a book published.
You have the means to disseminate this information. If you want you could publish your entire journals online. Why, are you not doing this?
These are all legitimate questions. Give us some insight.
And, this attitude of "believe or don't believe" will not cut it. As you are speaking, as if what you say are facts, and naturally this will attract questions from people. It's a part of the process of a discussion board. I am sorry that I have disappointed your original "nice" impression of me, but if asking sensible questions is "nasty" then I i'm afraid I am not going to be very nice.
Originally posted by Lards Cleargleam
Okay, so she's not saying "ALL" but she is saying "almost ALL." Close enough, I think.
In any event, this is not an attack, EarthSister, so don't take it as such (you seem like you jump to the defensive really quickly, but I suppose that's natural for someone who's talking about this kind of stuff a lot).
Okay, I was going to type a really long post, but Indigo got to it first. Just in case you happen to overlook his main point (as you seem to have done quite a few times in this thread), here it is:
If aliens are truly benevolent, why haven't they contacted all of us?
What I say about the government creating propaganda against the alien races is not propaganda. And "everybody" and their mother knows that the government is hiding facts from the publics about the visiting races.
The alien races want to help us do what we need to do. We still have to do it ourselves. It is our right and our desire to take care of our own world. The visiting races can't take over for us. What the alien races have offered some of our leading governments is their assistance to help us solve some of our major world problems. They did not outright offer the governments gifts of such kinds of technologies. There is no gadget to plug in somewhere that will end world starvation or disease. The offer is mainly of techniques and management of what we have already and may or may not include technological ways of using what we have already.
The alien races are contacting we the people, and this is increasing and leading up to fully showing their presence at our world.
The alien races are doing all they can to make themselves known.
Funny, you call it a crime for the alien races to destroy records the government has collected on me as they planned and attempted to kidnap my husband to force from him what he knows about the alien races, and to use him as leverage to make the alien races comply with their demands to stay away. It was not a favor to me, it was necessary to end that little FBI program to continue contacting and educating a number of certain people. This little program was directly interfering with a vital part of the work the alien races were doing with a number of their particular human contacts.
You are deliberately making me use up my ATS time to defend myself against your tricks.
You have just taken an important, perfectly natural and explainable key element to the mystery of alien contact, that I have described very well numerous times on this board and many others and all forms of media, and that I said while you listened to Rob McConnell's show, and that I even said right in a post to you in answer to a question, and now you repeated it back to me here in the form of a question deliberately worded to sound kooky, and to sound that I am kooky. That is belittling of me and my work, and I very much resent being pushed into that kind of engagement in conversation. This is supposed to be a friendly message board, with no scoffing and ridicule, remember?
All humans on Earth who have personal alien contact are related by spirit to their alien contacts. Not all alien experiencers work actively or physically with their alien contacts. Most do not. Of those who do, it is because they have the abilities to do it, and they want to do it. Not all who work with alien life are taught things to teach others, but this is what Jack and I do. Yes, I am an alien experiencer and yes, I am related to my alien contacts by spirit. It is the normal way of life in the Universe.
"Bring man into light" Is that what you call it? I don't and never have. Is there a hint of jealousy in your voice there? I am one person, just like you are. I do what I do, and I do it the best I can, even against the difficulties of people like you. Everybody involved in all ways of trying to make things better on Planet Earth is one person of the whole effort. What do you expect from me?
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]I can write as many books as I want, and I can have them all published if I want to do that too. I have been writing for 15 years and I have not accepted a publisher yet
I already told you this too. My journals are only true stories of events. They do not teach what people need to know about what I am learning. You get that by talking to me. First you say I am desperately trying to get my books published, and then you say I am not doing it fast enough.
Benevolent is a nice word, opposite of malevolent. Good VS bad. But the best word for the alien races is professional. They are very careful and patient in all that they do. None of visiting races is "bad."
The alien races are trying in all ways to accomplish full contact as soon as humanly possible.
Right now still, because of the point of mentality and understanding that humans are at in our race's evolution, the alien races can only make direct personal contact their own related humans.
The only thing stopping the aliens from showing themselves to all humans openly yet, is some very powerful, threatening humans.
Originally posted by Lartsa Cleargleam
EarthSister,
And none of the visiting races are "good?" I'm sure there are lots of doctors that are "professional" in the emergency room, but at home feel very comfortable beating their wives and molesting their children.
According to you, a few government leaders are apparently more powerful than 218 races of much more advanced aliens. This does not seem likely. If these beings are "trying in all ways" to accomplish full contact, then they most certainly are incompetent, as I think Indigo said.
You say these government leaders are evil?
Then instead of tip-toeing along the diplomatic tape, these aliens should be ousting those that are selfishly causing pain and suffering for billions of beings. Even professional people can care. And if the aliens haven't realized and seen this, they are blind. Or we can cop out and say that their level of understanding is above ours (why do I feel like I'm debating a fundamentalist Christian all of a sudden?; not that we're debating).
("Right now still, because of the point of mentality and understanding that humans are at in our race's evolution, the alien races can only make direct personal contact their own related humans.")
Why? This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. When The Gendar told you this did you ask the same question? "Why?" If so, I'd sure like to hear what he had to explain himself with.
Again, this is one of the main flaws behind what you're saying. Nothing, absolutely nothing, should be able to stop beings that are way more advanced than us from doing whatever they please.
You say, "What kind of a friend and ally would hand a sandbox full of children a loaded gun?" and I use the same analogy against you: we are a sandbox full of children to them. They, with their loaded guns, are god to us. We are (or should be) powerless against them. What am I missing?
The aliens stepped in and took control of the situation to save your husband's life. Yet, how many die everyday from things that they also have it in their ability to control and prevent? This is another point that I believe Indigo was trying to communicate.
Again, please do not take this as an attack. As you well know (and are used to), I'm merely trying to get to the bottom of what you're claiming so that I can understand it further.
Also, if you didn't mind, I would be happy to detail my own spiritual experiences for you to see what kind of insights you may have.
The threat to civilians is a powerful tool to use to make the visiting races behave a certain way. Think hostage situation. One person can hold off a whole city police department with threats to others under his rule. The hostages are the victims and the ones deciding what to do with their leader.
Originally posted by Lartsa Cleargleam
I think it's unfair to say that EarthSister is saying that ALL other experiences are false. That's not what she's trying to convey at all.
Mmhmm...
Fact: Horror to HUNDREDS, even THOUSANDS is what you are TOLD to believe as more and more evidence of alien visitation is being discovered by the publics around the world.
Almost ALL the people are lying or mistaken...
Okay, so she's not saying "ALL" but she is saying "almost ALL." Close enough, I think.
In any event, this is not an attack, EarthSister, so don't take it as such (you seem like you jump to the defensive really quickly, but I suppose that's natural for someone who's talking about this kind of stuff a lot).
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Okay, I was going to type a really long post, but Indigo got to it first. Just in case you happen to overlook his main point (as you seem to have done quite a few times in this thread), here it is:
If aliens are truly benevolent, why haven't they contacted all of us?
(That's basically a rhetorical question by this point, but we'll see how you do).
-- LC
p.s. You are a very attractive woman. *thumbs up*
p.p.s. I am not coming on to you. I am only nineteen.
[edit on 5-3-2005 by Lartsa Cleargleam]
These government leaders (secret government) are capitalizing on the suffering. They need the suffering to continue to generate money and power, and to gain worldwide control.
If a criminal holds a gun to the head of a loved one of yours, wouldn't you be forced to comply to the criminal's demands? Think about this for a little while. Let it sink in.
You seem to be blaming all the other life in the Universe for all the problems on our own world, and holding them responsible for fixing them. We have elected our leaders to handle world affairs and make all of these decisions already. It's not the aliens' fault that we are so willing to be tricked. If you do not like the decisions our leaders are making for our whole world, it is up to you to change the situation.
Originally posted by Lartsa Cleargleam
This idea I've never really been able to understand. How can a mortal man's motivation to obtain money and power be so strong? These leaders know that the money and power will only last so long before they're down for the dirt nap. My main point being that there would have to be more to it than material wealth and unavailing power.
These men (and women?) know about and defy advanced alien races all for a few extra G's and the "concept" that they have control of everything? Because that's all it is when it comes down to it. If you put one of these leaders in a room full of people that are aware of who has been causing them a lifetime of suffering all for 'money and power' and said leader will have no power at all after they're through with him.
These cats should be unstoppable. Now, I'm partially willing to accept the idea that they want us to help ourselves, but I think we should all have realized quite a long time ago that we're rolling down a hill towards a pit of spikes and there isn't any stopping without some outside intervention.
Hold on. Stop the train. I don't know about you, but I didn't elect any government leaders behind government leaders. "We" did not elect a 'secret government.' FYI: I did not elect Bush either, but that's another topic.
There are people suffering really badly in this world. If I had the power to help them, I would (and I really mean that), but I'm just a first-year college student who's struggling to get by himself, in a society where we're judged by our degree and where our degree dictates our status (unless we're one of the fortunate few who happen to be related to an alien race that can help out in a pinch).
If I had the capabilities of what is the equivalent of god to us, I would wipe every frown off of every face on this planet. Please help me to further understand how these aliens can be so apathetic as to let a few galactic regulations keep them from stopping religious fanatics from blowing little children to pieces.
I want to believe you, EarthSister. I really do. But I was a Christian for most of my life and then I wasn't willing to accept that an omnipotent, all-loving god, could have made such a mess and then allow it to perpetuate.
No being (human or otherwise), deserves to be born into a world where their suffering is guaranteed and if it was in my power, it would not be so. And that extends to other planets also. I don't care who's in charge of Galabulon V.
In a near perfect society (that these aliens clearly have), war and suffering should not exist. I sincerely believe that a utopian civilization is attainable through mass spiritual enlightenment. If what you claim is all true, these aliens hold the keys to it and could easily guide us along the right path. And not Bush, not Bush's puppet-master, not the Supreme Council of Grand Quazar Galactic Masters should be able to stop them from just helping out.
Because that's really all it is. Family or not, I love people and I think we all have the right to travel through space when we feel like it. I'd prefer a flying saucer over failing at astral projection any day.
Also: I tried signing up for your group thing, but after three backflips through flaming, barbed-wire hoops, I still wasn't sure if I had a .net passport, so I'll probably just U2U or e-mail you at some point.
Originally posted by Dekko
Hey, I'm new here.. so, Hi. Anways, this may seem totally out of place. But I have 2 questions for you Earth Sister.
What were you told the names of these races are?
And a second thing, I heard from 2 others which said that beings went away from them when commanded to in the name of Jesus. Why do you think this is? IJN