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New Zealand Mass Murderer is a Far Left-winger.

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posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 05:30 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

It is scary how people on the right don't call out scum in their own ideology.



The NZ attacker clearly states that the political ideology that is more closely aligned with his own is CHINA. Not sure if you read that part. Also not sure if you were aware but China is left leaning.

Either way even if you do consider him "right wing",
the dudes ideology isn't our ideology any more than Kim Jung Un's ideology is yours. Why aren't you lefties calling out the china government when they kill off tens or even hundreds of people to enforce their views? Isn't China a part of your ideology?

Why don't you call out the DPRK (North Korea) everytime they kill tens or hundreds of people to enforce their views? Isn't that a part of your ideology?

I'm sure this dudes point of view doesnt match more than a few thousand people on this entire planet of over 7 billion people. Of course we disagree with him... just as much as you do....Just as much as we disagree with any muslim extremist attack.




posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: ElectricUniverse


You just don't understand. Hitler and Marx didn't fully understand the TRUE meaning of Socialism!


But our brilliant Marxist college Profs finally got it tweaked to perfection and come hell or high water we will force it upon the rest of you until YOU understand it's OUR WAY or off to the GULAGS!



Things never truly change, do they?



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 05:47 PM
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originally posted by: Nucleardoom

Whether you think ecofacism exists or not is completely irrelevant, the nut THOUGHT he was one by HIS own admission, so yes it DOES indeed exist in the minds of some.


Ecofascists do exist. The Green New Deal, and other attempts by the left to force their belief and their policies, which are detrimental, in the name of the environment is "ecofascism."



edit on 22-3-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 05:48 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Who cares what he wrote in his "manifesto "?

The guy indiscriminately executed 50 innocent people, he was clearly as crazy as they come... Any detailed political opinions he expressed, were obviously always going to be all over the road!

Fact is though, his underlying motivation for doing what he did, was inspired by extremist LEFT-ideology.


There fixed it for you.

Right wing wants NO CONTROLS on things. Left wants to CONTROL people.

WHEN are you going to GET IT?

Control over people is what the leftist had for 50 murders.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 05:50 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Oh dear.



National Socialist in nature which includes the ideas of "worker's rights, the radical environmentalism the nazis were known


Saying the Nazi's where socialist is akin to saying that The Democratic People Republic of North Korea is a democracy.

The Nazi ideology was built on " Race ".

Aryan Race all superior. Every other race inferior.

Don't let titles confuse the reality.

You misread history.

Why is that? Your education was tainted. I suggest you take this to heart and study further. You will find you're way off base.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 05:53 PM
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originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Oh dear.



National Socialist in nature which includes the ideas of "worker's rights, the radical environmentalism the nazis were known


Saying the Nazi's where socialist is akin to saying that The Democratic People Republic of North Korea is a democracy.

The Nazi ideology was built on " Race ".

Aryan Race all superior. Every other race inferior.

Don't let titles confuse the reality.

You misread history.

Why is that? Your education was tainted. I suggest you take this to heart and study further. You will find y
ou're way off base.


Ok then don't just say it, explain what i have miss read.

Unless your talking bollocks of course which i believe you are.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong

Oh dear.

Saying the Nazi's where socialist is akin to saying that The Democratic People Republic of North Korea is a democracy.


Ironic since as a majority the left today claims Cuba, Venezuela, and some other "socialist/communist" regimes are "democratic" when they are not...

Far left-wing regimes, which includes socialists and communists, either started with being "democratic," or they continue to claim to be democratic even though elections are non-existant, or don't count at all in those countries because they are completely controlled by the regimes, including Venezuela and Cuba...


originally posted by: alldaylong
The Nazi ideology was built on " Race ".

Aryan Race all superior. Every other race inferior.

Don't let titles confuse the reality.


And today left-wing ideology is based on "belief."
How many times have we heard the left claim "left-wingers are more educated than right-wingers"?
How many times have we heard from the left "our ideology is supreme, progressive, the way for a sustainable future, blah blahblah?..."

Just like the nazis thought their race was superior because of Darwinism, today the left thinks as a majority that you all are better, more educated than anyone else who subscribes to non-left-wing ideology, and only your way will save the future, only your way will save the world, etc, etc...

Other than a change from "race" to "left-wing belief being superior," there is not much of a change from the left today for how the nazis wanted to force their left-wing/socialist views to the rest of the world...


edit on 22-3-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 06:13 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I think you can join this mob.



The fact that the far-right party contained 'socialist' in the name was a rebranding gambit to draw workers away from communism and into populist nationalism



www.indy100.com...



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 06:15 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong

I think you can join this mob.


Thanks, but no... Change "race" for "left-wing belief" and you would be the one joining them gladly...

They didn't just have "socialist" in their party name... They had socialist policies and laws... But like always left-wingers like yourself can't admit facts.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 06:17 PM
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originally posted by: cenpuppie
a reply to: neo96




We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism.


Hilarious. The Nazi's are/were left, no right, far left, far right. No there where this!

Meanwhile, let's ignore that Hitler implicitly stated that it only works for white people. That sounds both left and right, as a matter of fact, neither.


BUT

That only worked for Hitler if they were Blonde Haired Blue Eyed White People.

It's the KKK who say any white people and not Nazi's. And I don't think the KKK is relevant now at all.

I am the 4th generation of a German/English/Welsh/Irish mutt style family who migrated just after the Civil war and sooner for the Welsh side. I had blonde hair and I have blue eyes but I didn't feel 'special'.I sure wasn't physically superior in sports or defending myself at the peak of my youth.

Maybe being mixed European like that and not a pure Aryan was my problem? OR it was all a myth as I think it really is.


Jessie Owens ate at Hitler's mind by winning so many Olympic Gold medals in Berlin. Marvelous!



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 06:18 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: alldaylong

I think you can join this mob.


Thanks, but no... Change "race" for "left-wing belief" and you would be the one joining them gladly...

They didn't just have "socialist" in their party name... They had socialist policies and laws... But like always left-wingers like yourself can't admit facts.


Sometimes people are blind without realising it.

Shame for you really.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 06:26 PM
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originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Telos

Good thread

S & F

Whilst I think the words left-wing and right-wing are past their use by date ( see Obamas Law legalizing propaganda ), here is my assessment.

The rise of people power demanding of their politicans an end to Globalists ideals ( unfettered immigration ) and the recent Brexit impasse is troubling for the elites. They've used Facebook and Twitter to shut down discussions but its not working. People are wising up the world over.

In Europe the other nations have had enough and more Nationalist parties gain seats in Spain Italy and Greece elections.

The mass murderer has been "good for the narrative". Disarming one of the few countries left that still enjoys private gun ownership outside the USA

The globalists have achieved multi faceted goals with this incident.

3 mosques in Christchurch 6 in Wellington, an easier target would be Wellington.

But the esoteric reasons point to Christ-Church being a symbolic attack on Islam by White Christendom.

They the NWO want an Islam-Western world religious war. Meanwhile millions will die and the globalist get to pick up the pieces, reconstruction contracts, more power, cheaper labour,

But 1st there will be the worldwide Financial crash. Then off to war. History repeating itself ( see Hitlers rise to power after WW1 )

From voiceofeurope.com just a few of the stories being underreported in the MSM


Sweden’s first hijab-wearing MP grilled for proposing race–based nationwide register




Christians living in a Muslim country ‘143 times more likely’ to be killed by a Muslim than vice versa





voiceofeurope.com...





Landslide in the Netherlands, anti immigration, anti EU party rumbles into the senate



There is a thread about only 37 guns were turned in!

37!



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 06:37 PM
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I see some debate about Facism in here. From Encyclopaedia Britannica:




Opposition to Marxism

Fascists made no secret of their hatred of Marxists of all stripes, from totalitarian communists to democratic socialists. Fascists promised to deal more “firmly” with Marxists than had earlier, more democratic rightist parties. Mussolini first made his reputation as a fascist by unleashing armed squads of Blackshirts on striking workers and peasants in 1920–21. Many early Nazis had served in the Freikorps, the paramilitary groups formed by ex-soldiers to suppress leftist activism in Germany at the end of World War I. The Nazi SA (Sturmabteilung [“Assault Division”], or Brownshirts) clashed regularly with German leftists in the streets before 1933, and when Hitler came to power he sent hundreds of Marxists to concentration camps and intimidated “red” neighbourhoods with police raids and beatings.


www.britannica.com...



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 06:37 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong

Sometimes people are blind without realising it.

Shame for you really.


You should look in a mirror when you say something like that...

Part of the 25 points of the National Socialist Party...



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Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries. (Wealth redistribution)

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.
...
COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.

The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.

The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.

www.historyplace.com...

Nationalization of infrastructure, confiscation of all war profits, nationalization of all trusts, profit-sharing in large industries (Wealth redistribution), communalization (confiscation) of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, agrarian reform and expropiation by the state of all land owned by private owners without compensation for the common purpose, abolition of ground rents and the prohibition of all speculation in land. COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD "A strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political (left-wing) central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations."

Heck...they had their own version of "the state providing free education 100%..." It is in their 20th point...


...
20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.
...


More on their "own version of left-wing welfare state"...


...
21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.
...


Heck, they even had their own version of "controlling fake news..." in other words, controlling any news, or information that did not conform with "left-wing ideology..."


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23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:
...
Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.
...

www.historyplace.com...

Very right-wing huh?...

edit on 22-3-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 06:43 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Do you know what Fascism is ?




The government of Nazi Germany was a fascist, totalitarian state. Totalitarian regimes, in contrast to a dictatorship, establish complete political, social, and cultural control over their subjects, and are usually headed by a charismatic leader. Fascism is a form of right-wing totalitarianism which emphasizes the subordination of the individual to advance the interests of the state


remember.org...

I don't think you are educated enough to understand.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Do you know what Fascism is ?




The government of Nazi Germany was a fascist, totalitarian state. Totalitarian regimes, in contrast to a dictatorship, establish complete political, social, and cultural control over their subjects, and are usually headed by a charismatic leader. Fascism is a form of right-wing totalitarianism which emphasizes the subordination of the individual to advance the interests of the state


remember.org...

I don't think you are educated enough to understand.




This. You can have left-wing totalitarianism, i.e "Stalanist Communism" and right-wing totalitarianism, i.e Facism.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 06:46 PM
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Anyway, to go back to the original topic, here is once again a picture of the diagram that the murderer had in his equipment. Not to mention that he even mentions wanting to use those weapons because he wanted them banned to start a conflict between the left and the right around the world...



The above diagram is part of this other diagram.



"Worker's right" far left-wing belief...
"Anti-imperialism" far left-wing belief...
"Environmentalism" the radical version of the left just like today...
"Responsible Markets" instead of Free Markets...

These are "far left-wing beliefs" and have NOTHING to do with the right...


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posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 06:50 PM
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originally posted by: harold223


This. You can have left-wing totalitarianism, i.e "Stalanist Communism" and right-wing totalitarianism, i.e Facism.


I posted the 25 points of the National Socialist party... Could you point out how they are "right-wing in ANY way?...

Those of you in the left keep claiming "having it in their name doesn't mean they are left-wing," yet the fact is no matter how many times you keep on claiming "fascism is right-wing" their policies are in fact "left-wing..."

Remember, "repeating "fascism is right-wing" meanwhile you ignore the policies being "left-wing" does not make them "right-wing in the least...

Accept facts people.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 06:55 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Anyway, to go back to the original topic, here is once again a picture of the diagram that the murderer had in his equipment. Not to mention that he even mentions wanting to use those weapons because he wanted them banned to start a conflict between the left and the right around the world...



The above diagram is part of this other diagram.



"Worker's right" far left-wing belief...
"Anti-imperialism" far left-wing belief...
"Environmentalism" the radical version of the left just like today...
"Responsible Markets" instead of Free Markets...

These are "far left-wing beliefs" and have NOTHING to do with the right...



The killer was a lunatic. He wanted to start a war between left and right, muslim and christian, white and non-white. The online community he came from was "Alt-Right". He himself was a "Chaos Monger". Sometimes the world is complex, this killer had all kinds of @#$% mixed into his manifesto and symbolism. The community on 8 chan he was "s@#$# posting" on is considered "Alt-Right" tending "Hard Right Nationalist" by most educated analysis. As far as his own leaning, too f@#$# up to make any meaningful analysis.

Not that it has much to do with what happened in Christchurch but Facism is not a left wing ideology according to academia.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 07:01 PM
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