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New Zealand Mass Murderer is a Far Left-winger.

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posted on Mar, 21 2019 @ 11:24 PM
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Of course he was left leaning, thats why you can find hundreds of threads on ATS spewing absolutely hateful garbage about muslims, authored by left leaning people on this prmarly left leaning website.

I mean, it is the left thats constantly crying about "immigrant invaders".

/sarc

There are some real #ing nuts on this website.




posted on Mar, 21 2019 @ 11:28 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder




What you seem to be ignoring is the very obvious and real risk of this being a purposeful attack with the intent of furthering leftist agendas, similar to the guy who recently hired some dudes wearing MAGA hats to beat him up. Because lets be honest here, no right leaning person with a single brain cell would believe that an attack like this would have any benefit for their side what so ever.


A very bold Trumpet recently asked for the murder of innocent children and women at your border on this very site. You need a link to that thread?



edit on 21-3-2019 by PublicOpinion because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 21 2019 @ 11:31 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

I'm not American, and I don't really see how a random comment on ATS is relevant, but yes I would like a link to see what you are talking about. In any case, can you provide an argument against what I said or just fumble around citing bad things posted by ATS members?



posted on Mar, 21 2019 @ 11:33 PM
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I don't really care if he was left or right, he was a loose cannon, someone should have been able to see this and have told the cops he was going a little nuts and had guns. Now, some will say that I have guns and am a little nuts because I post on ATS, but I would never use my guns for anything other than protection and hunting and target practicing. I don't even like to kill deer to eat them anymore.

People will be turning in others just because the other people thinks different than they do on a subject. I feel sorry for the people on the left, worried that someone might target them for their big mouths spewing crap without respect for anyone who thinks different than them.



posted on Mar, 21 2019 @ 11:34 PM
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originally posted by: Duderino

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
If we are to believe his manifesto...


Yes, but according to ATS, all of his manifesto is a giant troll attempt.


Exactly. And folks fell into his net like lemmings.




Before his shooting spree, he reportedly told people to subscribe to YouTube's most popular channel (basically videogame walkthroughs IIRC)? Which could have been anyone's channel, but so long as the pot was stirred...



posted on Mar, 21 2019 @ 11:41 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Here..enjoy!!
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Mar, 21 2019 @ 11:45 PM
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originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied
Of course he was left leaning, thats why you can find hundreds of threads on ATS spewing absolutely hateful garbage about muslims, authored by left leaning people on this prmarly left leaning website.

I mean, it is the left thats constantly crying about "immigrant invaders".

I've been on ATS for quite a long time and there certainly are some members who post some distasteful things, and it sometimes gets a bit much even for me. However, most members are very nice and respectful people, and if they raise concerns about illegal immigration it doesn't automatically mean they are racist. And just because it's primarily people on the right who raise these concerns doesn't mean they are intrinsically the most predisposed to carry out a violent act, because based on numbers alone that isn't a valid argument.

It's the MSM and the left which has turned this into a political thing and made it about his political beliefs, and now it turns out he may not be as right leaning as first assumed, suddenly "it doesn't matter what he believed, he was clearly just a crazy person". Give me a damn break, this event is being used to push a political agenda, so leftists can scream "nah nah nah, see we were right all along, conservatives are nut bags, Trump is clearly responsible for this hatred, etc". It's pathetic.
edit on 21/3/2019 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 21 2019 @ 11:46 PM
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Enough is enough. The gloves need to come off. Separating families is a good start, but we need to be doing more. It is time to ratchet our response up a notch, including shoot to kill orders and using our air superiority to attack the enemy before it reaches our borders.


#ing pathetic. Sounds about right though, its what you'd expect from the wingnuts.

But this guy who felt the same way about muslims was left leaning lol.

Wow.



posted on Mar, 21 2019 @ 11:51 PM
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originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Here..enjoy!!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Ok that is clearly a very poor suggestion, but I don't think JBurns was suggesting that children be shot, more that smugglers and drug dealers may have to face a bullet, which I believe they already do to some extent. However if you read the responses, many from right leaning members, most of them are saying how it's a very dumb suggestion and only "gives the leftists sympathy from the moderate crowd".
edit on 21/3/2019 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 21 2019 @ 11:54 PM
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NZ is a piss poor state if affairs at the moment. The right to free speech...gone over night.
The right to fear a culture that the WORLD apparently told little old nz is probably dangerous, that doesn't blend in to the country that welcomed them with open arms...is now unfounded .
Wow,I'm glad we don't have large predatory animals,I hike a lot,just think...if I saw a bear that was running at me,and yelled "feck off bear" to try stop the attack....I'd be labeled a bad bad man.,maybe a dead bad man.
I don't trust anything I've been told over the years not to trust. Am I a bad person?
And now my way of thinking is meant to change overnight, it may change,but not over night.



posted on Mar, 21 2019 @ 11:56 PM
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However if you read the responses, many from right leaning members, most of them are saying how it's a very dumb suggestion and only "gives the leftists sympathy from the moderate crowd".

Yes, true, and I have great respect for those members despite not always agreeing with them in general.
The OP of that thread has a bit of history suggesting people should die in other threads he has authored, enough agree with him though..troubling.
Peace.



posted on Mar, 21 2019 @ 11:57 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Thats clearly why the MSM and the left authored this thread amirite?



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 12:00 AM
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originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Thats clearly why the MSM and the left authored this thread amirite?

This seems like a completely valid analysis of the manifesto, which is why the MSM and left wont touch it and hope people take them at their word when they say he was a right wing terrorist.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 12:29 AM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
I mean... No... that is false,


the shooter didn't ascribe (allegedly) to any right-left dichotomy

If we are to believe his manifesto, he wasn't a Nazi but was a self-identified fascist, fascism is neither right nor left wing, it is beyond the political spectrum while being seen as far-right because fascism is anti-anarchy, anti-communism, anti-liberalism etc, but fascism is not "right or left wing"

also in his manifesto, he claimed not to be part of the right or left, and only saw Trump as a white icon, but disagreed with his policies, continuing with his Manifesto he was anti-Antifa, anti-communist and anti-socialists, all those considered "left/far-left wing"

so again your statement is false


continuing on, if you really believe that National-Socialism is "Far-left" you are ignorant of the basic facts of National-Socialism and you are just repeating reactionary internet talking points, so your statement has no merit at all

maybe research some things before you make ignorant statements

*Edit to add*

About Eco-fascism

that doesn't really exist, that started with leftists talking about people who read Kaczynski, later it was appropriated by far-right people to adopted environmental aesthetics and "position" with a way to say everyone not white needs to be eliminated for the world to exists

ecofascism doesn't exist


But you are a self proclaimed Anarchist. Why should we believe you when he admitted his goal was to ramp up a war against ideologies? Isn't that what most Anarchists dream of?

Are you sure you are ready for what the drool dripping off your bottom lip is dreaming of?



LMAO! Dude. You shut him down. He might not come back. He disappeared faster than a promise at a Democrat rally.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 12:48 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
To tell you the truth I would rather not even post anything this beast has written, but because the left-wing media will continue lying claiming "he is far right-wing," the truth has to be shown.


Wouldn't the truth be more along the lines of...
Obviously mass murder is not a declared goal of either right or left.

or

You could refer to his manifesto when he answers the questions of whether he is left or right and he said yes and no to both.

There's plenty of Nazi's who aren't out on shooting spree's.
Their ideology is really irrelevant.

His beliefs didn't drive his actions.
This dude could've just as easily killed in the name of Allah.
His manifesto is a bizarre attempt to justify his need to kill not the reason.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 01:46 AM
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originally posted by: hiddenNZ
NZ is a piss poor state if affairs at the moment. The right to free speech...gone over night.
The right to fear a culture that the WORLD apparently told little old nz is probably dangerous, that doesn't blend in to the country that welcomed them with open arms...is now unfounded .
Wow,I'm glad we don't have large predatory animals,I hike a lot,just think...if I saw a bear that was running at me,and yelled "feck off bear" to try stop the attack....I'd be labeled a bad bad man.,maybe a dead bad man.
I don't trust anything I've been told over the years not to trust. Am I a bad person?
And now my way of thinking is meant to change overnight, it may change,but not over night.


Regarding free speech. I can't speak for New Zealand but I know in Australia, there is no right to free speech, never has been. You can face legal consequences for saying damaging and harmful things in Australia and that has always been the case. You can face litigation for damages even for posting a bad review about a business if what you say is deemed to be not a "reasonable complaint" and you can literally be arrested for inciting violence publicly. You know what, I'm not actually sure that this is a bad thing.

Freedom of speech should have boundaries. If said speech leads to actual harm, that's a problem. As Buddhist scripture states, wrong speech can cause harm, even lead to killing. In short, freedom of speech and expression is fine until it causes actual harm. The venom spouted on 4 chan and 8 chan has, in this case, inspired mass murder. Those sites should be erased from the internet.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 01:53 AM
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originally posted by: harold223
The venom spouted on 4 chan and 8 chan has, in this case, inspired mass murder. Those sites should be erased from the internet.


That is just silly.
How long have you read 4chan or 8chan for?

Just enough to make that statement but not enough to be inspired to kill?



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 02:22 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
To tell you the truth I would rather not even post anything this beast has written, but because the left-wing media will continue lying claiming "he is far right-wing," the truth has to be shown.

In other threads I have shown how the symbols this murderer had on his weapons, and which he posted on his facebook account, were/are National Socialist in nature which includes the ideas of "worker's rights, the radical environmentalism the nazis were known for, as well as responsible markets instead of free markets" among other ideas. I also showed how one of his arguments was to use those firearms to get them banned, and he was aiming to accomplishing the banning of these weapons in the U.S.

However, there are other sections that show what political system he sees himself aligned with, and that's what I wanted to post to show the truth about who this beast truly is.

He wrote his manifesto as if he was interviewing himself with questions and answers.

In one particular section he asked himself...


...
Were/are you a fascist?

Yes. For once, the person that will be called a fascist is an actual fascist. I am sure the journalists will love that. I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley’s views and consider myself an Eco-fascist by nature. The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the Peoples Republic of China.
...


What is an "eco-fascist" you ask?


ecofascist
ec·o·fas·cist | (ek-oh-fash-ist)

n:

1. A person who seeks to dictate or control the behavior of others in the name of the environment.

2. One who advocates for the subordination of individual self-interest to the ecofundamentalism of the Green lobby.

2. The political and philosophical inspiration for the the eco-terrorist.
...

www.urbandictionary.com...

But the "left-wing mainstream media" will continue to lie and will continue to call this beast "a right-winger," despite the fact that he has more in common with the left-wing mainstream media than he will ever have with the "right."




IMO far to many people get all caught up the left/right ideology and all that does to such people is cloud their judgment because it becomes either a left or a right aligned judgment.

According the official narrative this bloke, "has traveled a good part the world but has no phone, no friends, no on line presence, no camera and no past. Does that not tell us something???

This event, just like many others, is characterised by a practice drill being carried out nearby that was based on the same scenario that then went live.

While I yet to compile a list of events where practice drills based on an event very similar to the real event. Vvitrually all of them share this characteristic.

Some put this down to co-incidence but if the event was orchestrated by the state in one form or another, then there are NO co-incidences at all. All there this is a very well planned and executed plan.



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 02:31 AM
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Far left or far right, he killed people in prayer in their most innocent time. He and the supporters should be punished in harshest way possible.


NO MERCY…



posted on Mar, 22 2019 @ 03:06 AM
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Um...


The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People’s Republic of China. 



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