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New Zealand Mass Murderer is a Far Left-winger.

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posted on Mar, 27 2019 @ 04:17 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I know right lol.





posted on Mar, 27 2019 @ 04:20 AM
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a reply to: harold223




posted on Mar, 27 2019 @ 01:10 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse




Stalinism is communism... As for propaganda, you seem to do your part in it.


Everyone posting in your threads takes part in this, comrade.



There are many branches of socialism and communism, and fascism is part of these doctrines/ideologies.


And Trump is the epitome of a radical leftwing, which is why we could find much praise for him in a certain manifesto. Right? Right? .... Right?



posted on Mar, 27 2019 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
I don't see you guys going after the socialist/communist scum that has infiltrated and attempted to take over (in part or in whole) your party. What do you do instead? You gloss over it, and make some nebulous statement about "big tents" which means you actually entertain dirt socialism/dirt communism as potentially legitimate forms of government. No mind they are failed ideologies, they are also expressly illegal under Constitutional law


Democratic socialism isn't communism, nor is is even economic socialism. That claim has been debunked ad nauseum in this thread and others. None of the democrats are advocating for economic socialism. You are being completely dishonest and appealing to buzz words rather than reality. Socialism is just a boogeyman for insecure conservatives.



posted on Mar, 27 2019 @ 02:32 PM
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originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: JBurns
I don't see you guys going after the socialist/communist scum that has infiltrated and attempted to take over (in part or in whole) your party. What do you do instead? You gloss over it, and make some nebulous statement about "big tents" which means you actually entertain dirt socialism/dirt communism as potentially legitimate forms of government. No mind they are failed ideologies, they are also expressly illegal under Constitutional law


Democratic socialism isn't communism, nor is is even economic socialism. That claim has been debunked ad nauseum in this thread and others.


"Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production,[1] with an emphasis on self-management and democratic management of economic institutions within a market or some form of decentralized planned socialist economy.[2]"

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Mar, 27 2019 @ 02:52 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
The shooter has far left-wing views, yet you keep claiming he is an "alt-right member" and you keep on blaming POTUS Trump for the crimes committed by a far left-winger?


You just keep repeating lies. There is no position in the manifesto that even remotely points to Liberalism / Democratic philosophy.

- He was a guns rights extremist. (totally a liberal position LOL)
- He hated immigrants (calls them invaders)
- He hated Muslims (most liberals defend Islam)
- He was an ethno-nationalist (Democratic party is racially and religiously diverse, while republican is almost all white christian)
- He was a white supremacist (same as above)
- He lists Anders Behring Breivik, a right wing extremist terrorist as inspiration.


This is the exact opposite of the Democratic party and what they stand for. You seem to think he is left wing just because you said so.


73-page manifesto titled "The Great Replacement", a reference to the "Great Replacement" and "white genocide" conspiracy theories.



In the manifesto several anti-immigrant sentiments are expressed, including hate speech against migrants, white supremacist rhetoric, and calls for all non-European immigrants in Europe who are claimed to be "invading his land" to be removed.[127] The author also describes himself as an ethno-nationalist.[107][128][129] In the manifesto, the author names dozens of people from around the world, ranging from politicians whose ideas he supports[130][131][132][133] to terrorists and murderers whose actions he applauds.[134] In particular, the author cites Norwegian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik as an inspiration, and claims he had had been in "brief contact" with Breivik.[135][136] He also calls for the assassination of several politicians with whom he disagrees.[1][137][note 2] He says he supports President Trump as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose", but not as a leader or policy-maker.[127]



The manifesto says that the main goal of the attacks was to accelerate anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant sentiment across majority-white nations in order to fight growing numbers of "invaders", and ignite an eventual "race war".


Unfortunately, the manifesto is illegal to distribute so obtaining a full copy is very difficult. I'd like to actually read the whole thing, but haven't had any luck, so we have to go with what law enforcement and other people said about it. To claim it's left wing is pure nonsense.



posted on Mar, 27 2019 @ 07:41 PM
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For crying out loud...



...
After the October Revolution of 1917, Leninism was the dominant version of Marxism in Russia, and, in establishing soviet democracy, the Bolshevik regime suppressed Marxists who opposed Lenin, such as the Mensheviks and factions of the Socialist Revolutionary Party.
...

Leninism

I have already given SEVERAL examples of socialists and communists suppressing and even murdering other socialists and communists... But our "left-wing members who have posted in this thread" want to claim that doing so makes the oppressors "right-wing..."

Talk about "revisionism of history..."



Who were the Bolshevik? They were a faction of Marxists...



Bolshevik noun
Bol·​she·​vik | ˈbōl-shə-ˌvik
, ˈbȯl-, ˈbäl-, -ˌvēk

plural Bolsheviks also Bolsheviki ˌbōl-​shə-​ˈvi-​kē
, ˌbȯl-​ , ˌbäl-​ , -​ˈvē-​kē
Definition of Bolshevik

1 : a member of the extremist wing of the Russian Social Democratic party that seized power in Russia by the Revolution of November 1917
...

www.merriam-webster.com...

So according to "left-wingers" who have responded in this thread this means the Bolshevik/Russian Social Democratic Party/A branch of Marxists were "right-wing..."



posted on Mar, 27 2019 @ 08:01 PM
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a reply to: Barcs

LOL He wanted those firearms he used BANNED... How the hell does that make him "a guns rights extremist?"

And what the hell is a "guns right extremist"?...

He hates overpopulation, and stated that some of the people breeding too much are Muslims, among others. He also stated he was doing this to help "save the environment/the Earth..." How in the world is that a "right-wing belief"?...


originally posted by: Barcs
- He was an ethno-nationalist (Democratic party is racially and religiously diverse, while republican is almost all white christian)


False... ethno-nationalism is not part of right-wing ideology... How convenient that you ignore the FACT that DEMOCRATS formed the kkk, and DEMOCRATS were in favor of slavery. Even in the Civil Right Act of 1964 Democrats only voted around 60% in favor of the CRA, meanwhile Republicans voted 80%+ in favor of the CRA. Republicans tried several times throughout the history of the U.S. to pass Civil RIghts Acts to help give rights to blacks and women, and EVERY TIME it was Democrats who opposed the Civil Right Acts...

Also, the Republican party has Hispanics, blacks, women and other minorities in it, even our representatives are varied. But the fact is there are more white people in the U.S. than any other race... That DOES NOT make the U.S. or the Republican party racist, like "left-wingers" who ignore history and facts want to claim...


originally posted by: Barcs
- He was a white supremacist (same as above)


See above...


originally posted by: Barcs
- He lists Anders Behring Breivik, a right wing extremist terrorist as inspiration.


And JFK stated he had deep respect towards Hitler... I guess that made JFK a racist who wanted to murder minorities...

You also ignore, yet again, that the murderer stated: "The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the Peoples Republic of China."

The People's Republic of China is NOT right-wing...


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posted on Mar, 27 2019 @ 11:16 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It will be a cold day in hell before that happens, facts aren't facts in todays right wing views.


ROFLMAO... Look in a mirror to find the naive group whom to this day believe the "fake left-wing mainstream media."

BTW, i am still waiting for any of you to prove how those policies implemented by the nazis are "right-wing..." Or what deluded mind can think that "the People's Republic of China is right-wing..." "CLAIMS don't make anyone right..." You have to prove your claim is right with evidence such as how any of the policies that the nazis implemented, and can be found in this thread, are "right-wing..."





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posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
LOL He wanted those firearms he used BANNED... How the hell does that make him "a guns rights extremist?"


No he didn't. What are you talking about? He supported full rights of all citizens to own guns without restrictions. He didn't want them banned.


He hates overpopulation, and stated that some of the people breeding too much are Muslims, among others. He also stated he was doing this to help "save the environment/the Earth..." How in the world is that a "right-wing belief"?...


That's not a left wing belief either, buddy.


False... ethno-nationalism is not part of right-wing ideology...


I didn't say it was, but it's certainly not left and today ethno-nationialists almost exclusively lean right. Republican party in congress is almost all white men. LMAO! You can't say that white supremacy is left wing, when Democrats are the party of diversity and minority empowerment. Again, can you name a single liberal today that is an ethno-nationalist?


How convenient that you ignore the FACT that DEMOCRATS formed the kkk, and DEMOCRATS were in favor of slavery.

They were also conservative at the time. Nice red herring.


Even in the Civil Right Act of 1964 Democrats only voted around 60% in favor of the CRA, meanwhile Republicans voted 80%+ in favor of the CRA. Republicans tried several times throughout the history of the U.S. to pass Civil RIghts Acts to help give rights to blacks and women, and EVERY TIME it was Democrats who opposed the Civil Right Acts...


Today is much much different. It is republicans who don't care about minority rights or equality and the Democrats that champion the rights of oppressed people like homosexuals / trans folk as well as all ethnic minorities. Funny how you IGNORE the way the parties are today in favor of the past.


Also, the Republican party has Hispanics, blacks, women and other minorities in it


It's an extremely low percentage compared to Democrats.


But the fact is there are more white people in the U.S. than any other race... That DOES NOT make the U.S. or the Republican party racist, like "left-wingers" who ignore history and facts want to claim...


LMAO!!!! The republican congress is 90% white, while this country is just 72% white. Sorry but Democrats are the party of diversity today, not republicans. To suggest otherwise is pure delusion.



And JFK stated he had deep respect towards Hitler... I guess that made JFK a racist who wanted to murder minorities...


Nice red herring. A pathetic excuse to ignore what I said, not to mention that is a lie. He didn't say he respected Hitler, he said in his diary that Hitler was the stuff legends are made of. You really need to tone down the insanity a bit.


You also ignore, yet again, that the murderer stated: "The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the Peoples Republic of China."

The People's Republic of China is NOT right-wing...



Republicans love China. Cheap good imported so that American products can be dirt cheap yet cost just as much money. China is key to many huge corporations making ridiculous profits, and that is what the right wing is all about. China is more centrist now btw, they only lean a little left now. It's not like communist China 60+ years ago.

Where did you find that quote? Please link it, I've been looking for a way to read the full text.


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posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Geez, why can't you just say, this guy was a crazy moron who does not represent the views of the majority of the right. The only reason I can see that justify your need to prove this guy wasn't one of yours is that his views are pretty close to yours.

You make sure to point out the solitary word in the manifesto that can be construed as left-wing and use that to conclude he is a left-winger. You left out the fact that his manifesto was titled "The Great Replacement" which references white genocide conspiracy theories.[1] You left out the fact that multiple times throughout the manifesto he expressed anti-immigrant sentiments very similar to those of right-wing Americans.[2] He referred to himself as an "Ethno-Nationalist", which is oddly similar to Trump's statement about "why can't more people from Norway immigrate here".

He also listed Trump and right-wing terrorist Anders Behring Breivik as his inspirations.[3] Here is his exact quote about Trump:


Donald Trump is a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose


Yep, that is something a left-winger would say.....

I can go on and on pointing out other points in the manifesto that clearly point to this guy being as far right as you can go. Other than the word "Eco-Fascist" what else do you have?


[1] www.theatlantic.com...
[2] www.chicagotribune.com...
[3] foreignpolicy.com...



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 09:05 PM
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originally posted by: Barcs

No he didn't. What are you talking about? He supported full rights of all citizens to own guns without restrictions. He didn't want them banned.


And like always, you make false claims without providing ANY evidence.

Let's see if your claims are true or not.



His plan is for the removal of gun rights, which he believes will cause a racial conflict. He doesn't care for gun rights, otherwise he wouldn't want them banned.

Let's continue...



He sees the lost of gun rights as inevitable, but he still wants the process accelerated... How the hell can anyone claim he is "for gun rights" when he wants to accelerate the removal of gun rights, and stated his plan is to remove gun rights to accelerate what he thinks will start a racial war?...


originally posted by: Barcs
That's not a left wing belief either, buddy.


WOW...so now the "belief in overpopulation and the need to cull the world's population" is not a far left-wing belief?...


originally posted by: Barcs
I didn't say it was, but it's certainly not left and today ethno-nationialists almost exclusively lean right. Republican party in congress is almost all white men. LMAO! You can't say that white supremacy is left wing, when Democrats are the party of diversity and minority empowerment.


White supremacy was started by the left, for crying out loud, to this day you all still see racist Margaret Sanger as an idol...and embrace her ideas on eugenics... Even today many Liberals have been caught using racial slurs against minorities who dare be right-wing...

As a majority even WHITE LIBERALS think to this day that "blacks and other minorities are not able to get driver licenses" among other stupid arguments showing deep rooted racism out of ignorance.

Liberal Loses His Job For Using Racial Slur Against Black Conservative

Bill Clinton told Ted Kennedy that Obama 'would be getting us coffee' a few years ago: 'Game Change'

(Harry)Reid Once Called Obama Light-skinned With 'No Negro Dialect', Media Mostly Mum

Even your left-wing media, some times, post your two faced liberal/democrats who want to claim they are not racist, but in fact ARE racists.

The Democratic Party’s Two-Facedness of Race Relations



As a matter of fact, a report shows how 83% of "Planned Parenthood abortion referred clinics" are found in minority neighborhoods, targeting minorities just like your idol Margaret Sanger wanted.

Racial Targeting and Population Control

BTW, the republican party doesn't put race as a requisite to hire people, and just because democrats have embraced reversed racism doesn't make democrats/liberals any less racists.


originally posted by: Barcs
They were also conservative at the time. Nice red herring.


Yet to this day you endorse the eugenics of racist Margaret Sanger...nice red herring indeed...


originally posted by: Barcs
Today is much much different. It is republicans who don't care about minority rights or equality and the Democrats that champion the rights of oppressed people like homosexuals / trans folk as well as all ethnic minorities. Funny how you IGNORE the way the parties are today in favor of the past.


ROFLMAO. It's that why more minorities have employment today, and millions of less Americans, of all backgrounds, don't have to resort to food stamps anymore?

BTW, I find it telling how you keep on trying to derail the thread... Not once have you shown any evidence that supports your claim that this murderer is "right-wing..."


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posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal

Geez, here comes the Republican/conservative wannabe who claims to be one, but in reality couldn't be any less left-wing... You want to talk about whom the NZ murderer is?... ROFLMAO...

BTW, the NZ murderer only likes Trump for his race, not for his ideals and policies...



Why don't you admit those views are very similar to yours, and why don't you instead simply say "this guy was a crazy moron who does not represent the views of the majority of the left"?...

There is only one reason I can think of why none of you want to admit these facts... Your views are too close to his and you can't simply admit it...




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posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 09:56 PM
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a reply to: Telos

Riiiight. ALL media is saying the same thing all over the world, did you ever think it might be truth?



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 09:57 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It will be a cold day in hell before that happens, facts aren't facts in todays right wing views.


ROFLMAO... Look in a mirror to find the naive group whom to this day believe the "fake left-wing mainstream media."

BTW, i am still waiting for any of you to prove how those policies implemented by the nazis are "right-wing..." Or what deluded mind can think that "the People's Republic of China is right-wing..." "CLAIMS don't make anyone right..." You have to prove your claim is right with evidence such as how any of the policies that the nazis implemented, and can be found in this thread, are "right-wing..."






I have provided evidence written by Professors in the field that point out exactly how the nazi's policies are right wing but you brushed that off as leftists conspiracies so I'm not really sure what the point of continuing this discussion is lol




For their part, businesses welcomed the Nazis' promises to suppress the left. On 20 February 1933, Hitler and Goering met with a large group of industrialists when Hitler declared that democracy and business were incompatible and that the workers needed to be dragged away from socialism. He promised bold action to protect their businesses and property from communism. The industrialists - including leading figures from I.G. Farben, Hoesch, Krupp, Siemens, Allianz and other senior mining and manufacturing groups - then contributed more than two million Reichsmarks to the Nazi election fund, with Goering tellingly suggesting that this would probably be the last election for a hundred years. Business leadership happily jettisoned democracy to rid Germany of socialism and to smash organised labour.





For all the Nazi talk of "four-year plans" and the "guidance of the state," the sanctity of private property and freedom of contract was always preserved under the Nazis, even during the war years. Socialism - in particular, Bolshevism - on the other hand, were pernicious, "Jewish" imports that threatened the vitality of the German Volk.





Trade unions had been in Hitler's sights since a general strike paralysed a right-wing-coup (Kapp Putsch) in 1920. He had witnessed the striking workers and vowed that never again would organised labour prevent the right coming to power. It was the left (trade unions and Jews), after all, that he and others on the right thought had "stabbed" the nation in the back on the home-front to cause the loss of the First World War. By early May 1933, the trade unions had been destroyed. German socialism was in tatters.


I think the issue here is that you are defining right wing as liberalism. There is right wing liberalism and left wing liberalism, right wing authoritarianism and left wing authoritarianism. The difference is in who they represent. Think class structure. Marx was all about class structure. Hitler was attempting to crush organised labour movements (collective trade movements are a classic hallmark of the left) in order to protect the interests of the industrialists (owners of the means of production - a classic right wing mindset).

It's not the intervention in economics that defines Right vs Left its the workers vs the owners.(even then that's only looking at one aspect of it, its complex). Many of the companies listed in the quote above that supported hitler are major global corporations to this day. There are other social issues, equality for instance (a true leftists would view a Jew or an African as just as much a "Comrade" as anyone else. As long as they were of the same class lol Marx was classist instead or racist lol). There are so many reasons Nazi Germany is considered a Hard Right Fascist state by pretty much anyone with serious credibility on the matter that it is ridiculous.

You will ignore all of this though, I'm wasting my poor typing fingers

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posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 10:01 PM
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It’s illegal to have a copy of that guys manifesto? Oh and I totally agree with your post. The NZ is NOT a liberal lol



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: Wide-Eyes

You are saying the ATS community consists of all “Far Right” ideologies? If that’s the case, how do you have meaningful conversation if you all describe to the exact same ideology? What’s the point? Also does that mean no other political stances are allowed in this community? I thought this was a community for conspiracy theorists?



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 10:22 PM
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And I have shown the evidence directly from the nazi's policies. Not to mention the economist, and philosopher Von Misses who was there, saw and experienced the socialist policies of the nzis... I also gave a youtube link to a WWII survivor from Austria who pointed out how the policies implemented by the nazis in Austria were all socialist...

The proof is in the pudding. The NZ murderer, and the nazis were/are socialists...

Extreme environmentalism, to the point of sending to concentration camps people for boiling crabs, cutting up frogs for bait, and the belief that "animal rights are more important than PEOPLE", such as Jewish people, is NOT a right-wing belief or policy...

Eugenics/The belief that it is okay to murder the unborn and it's more humane to murder them because they could be born with a disability or a genetic disorder, is not a right-wing belief.

Nationalization of all infrastructure completely under the control of the state, socialized medicine, 100% government paid medicine, 100% education paid by the government, confiscation of lands and property for the good of the collective/common good/public welfare are not a right-wing belief or policy.

The implementation of gun registration, and then the use of gun registration to confiscate the firearms of minorities, and political opponents, and disarming nations that were invaded by the "National Socialists" are not "right-wing policies/belief.

Only in the liberal/democrat revisionism of western history are "National Socialists" seen as right-wing. While in other nations around the world who do not have pc...



...
Asia

Jatiyo Samajtantrik Dal (National Socialist Party), Bangladesh (socialist)
National Revolutionary Socialist Party, India (Marxist/Leftist)
National Socialist Party (Jordan), 1954-1957 (socialist)
National Socialist Council of Nagaland, India (Maoist)
National Socialist Party of Tripura, India (Tripuri nationalist)
Iranian National Socialist Party (est. 1952) (pro-Hitler, antisemitic (both anti-Arab and antisemitic))
Syrian Social Nationalist Party (secular, nationalist, pro-Syria, fascist)
...

Link

Nationalism has been shown, several times, to also exist to this day in left-wing/socialist countries... Only in the "liberal/democrat/left" revisionism of history does the "left" believes that nationalism is only a "right-wing belief/system."

Margaret Sanger was a racist National Socialist who even had interviews with nazi doctors, in Sanger's magazine Birth Control Review, who wanted eugenics embraced in the U.S., and the LEFT embraced her ideals...




More children from the fit; less from the unfit—that is the chief issue of birth control.”

Margaret Sanger, “Birth Control Review” 1
...

www.dineshdsouza.com...

In 1933 she published an article written by none other than Dr. Ernst Rudin.



www.birthcontrolreview.net...

Who was Rudin?...




Ernst Rüdin (April 19, 1874 in St. Gallen – October 22, 1952) was a Swiss-born German psychiatrist, geneticist, eugenicist and Nazi. Rising to prominence under Emil Kraepelin and assuming his directorship at what is now called the Max Planck Institute of Psychiatry in Munich, he has long been scientifically honoured and cited internationally as the pioneer of psychiatric inheritance studies. He also argued for, designed, justified and funded the mass sterilization and clinical killing of adults and children.
...

en.wikipedia.org...

Rudin was the architect of the nazi genocide/eugenics of adults and children in nazi Germany, and your idol Margaret Sanger identified with him and the nazis...

But keep on telling yourselves on who really embraced the socialist and genocidal ideas of the nazis...


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posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 10:32 PM
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Explain how the crushing of organised labour to protect the interests of wealthy industrialists is left wing? That is the exact opposite of the very ethos of left wing. Or is that little historical inconvenience a lie in your eyes? The only people in the world currently trying to claim that the Nazi's were Left Wing are the Alt-right movement.



posted on Mar, 28 2019 @ 10:59 PM
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Every socialist/communist regime ALWAYS shut down unions, or took them over and changed those in charge, that were founded under capitalism. Why do I have to keep repeating these facts? In this thread I have shown how other socialists/communists did the same thing Hitler did... The nazis/hitler implemented a state sanctioned union that took care of the workers. That's what ALL socialist/communist regimes have done, including Venezuela.


August 2, 20104:00 PM ET

Juan Forero

In Venezuela, socialist President Hugo Chavez frequently touts his country as a workers' paradise, where workers run nationalized companies and the oligarchs are kept in check.

But Venezuela is among the world's most dangerous countries for union organizers.

Trade union activists are being murdered at an alarming rate -- 75 in the past two years -- as new unions vie with traditional unions for power and control. Some union chiefs say government meddling in the unions is stirring the violence.
...

In Venezuela, Rise Of Labor Unions Turns Deadly


...
Chavezs legacy has led to the creation of its own unions. One of the main organizations of workers loyal to Chavez in Venezuela is the National Union of Workers of Venezuela. This workers’ organization operates more like a political branch of workers who support the regime rather than as an association preserving worker rights.
...

Cuba and Venezuela Use Labor Unions to Bolster Regime Support



Labor rights movements gaining momentum in China. But in China, workers do not have the right to join or form trade unions of their choice. There is only one lawful trade union nationwide - the government controlled All-China Federation of Trade Unions (ACFTU) - that acts as the leading body of all local union organizations...

www.dw.com...



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