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New Zealand Mass Murderer is a Far Left-winger.

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posted on Mar, 24 2019 @ 04:37 AM
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a reply to: harold223

That begs the question, how long until views that are not mainstream are labeled extreme, I personally think we are getting close to that point.

Just the Jim jefferis thread shows that right wingers are wanting to censor comedy, it's sad they hold comedians to a higher degree of honesty then the POTUS...
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posted on Mar, 24 2019 @ 06:37 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: harold223

That begs the question, how long until views that are not mainstream are labeled extreme, I personally think we are getting close to that point.

Just the Jim jefferis thread shows that right wingers are wanting to censor comedy, it's sad they hold comedians to a higher degree of honesty then the POTUS...


I think Jim Jeffries is more about the man's hypocrisy rather than trying to censor comedy.



posted on Mar, 24 2019 @ 07:13 AM
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a reply to: Justoneman

OK 37 guns. Penalties will be increased, life goes on. I guess what I'm trying to convey is that there is a bigger picture being played out here and its not so cut & dried.



posted on Mar, 24 2019 @ 07:47 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: alldaylong

The Guardian

Bwahahahahaha!


Now and then they come up with nuggets.



posted on Mar, 24 2019 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: ElectricUniverse




To tell you the truth I would rather not even post anything this beast has written, but because the left-wing media will continue lying claiming "he is far right-wing" the truth has to be shown. 


I feel you. I've been reluctant to post anything in the NZ threads because of the sheer ignorance of some of our readers and posters but the writing is clearly on the wall.

The fact that the "far right" angle was even entertained is a stain on the ATS community.


The fact this thread exists to try and blame the far left is a stain on ATS too. His manifesto included beliefs from different political idealogoes not just socialist, fascist and Conservative. You're doing the site as much of a disservice as those you decry.

This guy didn't do what he did because he was a Right Wing Nut Job, this guy didn't so what he did because he's a Loony Liberal Lefty, he did this because of chemical imbalances in his brain.

Ignorance denied....


Correct.

Read my other replies.



posted on Mar, 24 2019 @ 08:11 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: alldaylong

You've not progressed beyond left/right thinking.
When you do, we can chat, but you have a long way to go.



Well done. Your reply is totally meaningless.

You even failed miserably to defend your comment below.




That is why all the evil springs from the left, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Clinton, etc...


I have illustrated the evil of the far right regime of Pinochet. No comment from you.

Would you like me to give examples of the evils and brutality of Ferdinand Marcos, dictator of the Philippines along with his far-right New Society Movement ?

Or would i just be completely wasting my time again?



posted on Mar, 24 2019 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: harold223




Thats like a left winger trying to argue that Stalin was right wing because they don't want to be associated with Stalin.


In political science they don't use labels like left and right for a reason. In this case you are trying to equate communism/ socialism with Stalinism, which is essentially the same fallacy that inspired this thread. One could argue his totalitarian regime had more in common with Hitlers Germany than with the communists of the Spanish Civil War.

Vague terms and euphemisms, reductionism and simple solutions (derived of meaning) for complex issues are the hallmark of propaganda after all. Stay frosty!



posted on Mar, 24 2019 @ 06:14 PM
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originally posted by: harold223

FFS man, state intervention into economics is not the sole bastion of the left. The Authoritarian right are also interventionist, especially in the spirit of Nationalism. For the Nazi's is was for the good of the "Nation", for the Soviets it was for the good of the "collective". During WWII all governments involved in the war were interventionist. In Australia, the government seized the means of production for the war effort. The US government and British government did the similar from what I understand. It was "Total War". Civilian factories and businesses were re-commissioned to military needs by the state when deemed necessary.


wow... First of all, Nationalism doesn't equal to authoritarian... BTW, for the nazis it wasn't just "for the nation, it was for the "common purpose/common good" aka "for the collective." The nazis were collectivists like every other socialist and communist branch. As for your "claim" that during WWII all governments were interventionists, that's false. The nazis forced industrialists and it was written in their laws that they had to build what the state wanted, how many products, exactly what products, and the state/nazis/Hitler even told them who to use for labor. If industrialists decided not to do the bidding of Hitler/the nazis they would lose their factories/businesses.

In the U.S. the people decided to unite under the leadership of Franklin Rooselvelt, not because the U.S. government compelled them but out of free will. Also, if companies couldn't fulfill the quotas nobody lost their business. Not to mention the fact that "economics" wasn't the only "socialist policies" implemented by the nazis...

Healthcare for example isn't about economics, and under the nazis there was "100% free healthcare. I even gave a video of an Austrian lady who survived WWII and explains how "nationalized healthcare" worked in Austria under control of the nazis.

Education was again 100% paid off by the state, even the poorest kids who were bright enough got free education paid off by the nazi government. These, and other policies I have already mentioned, are all "socialist in nature."



posted on Mar, 24 2019 @ 06:23 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
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I have illustrated the evil of the far right regime of Pinochet. No comment from you.

Would you like me to give examples of the evils and brutality of Ferdinand Marcos, dictator of the Philippines along with his far-right New Society Movement ?

Or would i just be completely wasting my time again?


Stop trying to derail the thread. If you want start your own thread to discuss those other dictators... So far those of you who keep responding, yet don't want to accept facts, keep on trying to derail the thread or evade the fact that the policies/laws implemented by the nazis were socialist in nature.

Stay on topic or make your own thread and talk about what you want there.



posted on Mar, 24 2019 @ 09:03 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion

In political science they don't use labels like left and right for a reason. In this case you are trying to equate communism/ socialism with Stalinism, which is essentially the same fallacy that inspired this thread. One could argue his totalitarian regime had more in common with Hitlers Germany than with the communists of the Spanish Civil War.

Vague terms and euphemisms, reductionism and simple solutions (derived of meaning) for complex issues are the hallmark of propaganda after all. Stay frosty!


Stalinism is communism... As for propaganda, you seem to do your part in it. BTW, I am well aware that left-wing/socialist teachers/professors claim socialism is great and try to also claim that "socialism/communism has never really been tried, and how perfect it is." But it is all in the minds of people, whom like you, don't want to admit facts.

There are many branches of socialism and communism, and fascism is part of these doctrines/ideologies.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 12:21 AM
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edit on 25-3-2019 by hopenotfeariswhatweneed because: dont go there,run away run away



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 03:07 AM
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Yep. I'm done here too. This guy is straight up deluded. He literally said a few pages back that consensus doesn't mean anything. Consensus on a political theory is a consensus so that others can be on the same page when they talk of a concept, or teach it. We're not talking about physics or maths here, we're talking about an abstract human constructed label for a concept. It is what everyone agrees it is. This guy disagrees lol.

I give up lol
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posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 04:27 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Are you on the same planet as the rest of us? I begin to wonder.

When someone makes a comment on this thread, i tend to give my perspective of it. Or should we just ignore it.


When people bring Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Clinton and go knows who else into this thread, you have a problem with me adding Pinochet and Marcos to that list.

I wonder why that is? They where right wing brutal dictators maybe?




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posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Your insanity is my argument.

God be praised, for when he created the world, he decreed that all the good, virtuous and righteous people shall hold the belief of the American conservative.



Not American Conservative.
Virtuous and righteous people are simply freedom loving people the world over. Limited Govt is essential to that. Those not for that are the communist/fascist authoritarians of the world - the evil people... the Mao's, Hitler's , Obama's, Stalin's, Clinton's of this world and those that support them.


That is such a load of crap. There are virtuous people on BOTH sides, and there authoritarian people on BOTH sides. Clinton/Obama were barely even left, in fact they leaned right fiscally, nowhere remotely close to Stalin or Mao with how left they were OR how authoritarian they were.

The problem is AUTHORITARIANISM, not left or right. People still don't grasp that here because people are blaming ALL problems on the left, which is silly. The OP is cherry picking little pieces of this guy's manifesto and equivocating it to communism in order to claim the guy was left wing and it is completely dishonest. Tell me, how many liberals are nationalists and gun rights extremists? How many neo nazis are liberal or pro communism? Yeah, didn't think so.



I posted this before, it was ignored. LMAO at saying Obama was authoritarian. He's not even close to any of the left wing authoritarians in policy. People are being completely delusional here. Listing him on par with dictators like Stalin, Mao and Hitler is some of the most laughable nonsense I have read yet. If Obama is that bad, then wow, Gandhi must be the spawn of Satan LOL!


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posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: harold223
Yep. I'm done here too. This guy is straight up deluded. He literally said a few pages back that consensus doesn't mean anything. Consensus on a political theory is a consensus so that others can be on the same page when they talk of a concept, or teach it. We're not talking about physics or maths here, we're talking about an abstract human constructed label for a concept. It is what everyone agrees it is. This guy disagrees lol.

I give up lol


Agreed, that person is pretty insane. They make a new thread every week pretending that liberals are communists and all the left is radical far left that want to turn us into Venezuela or Soviet Russia. It's simply not true.


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posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 02:22 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

We got another name for ecoterrorists, although I can't say the real one here

Instead.. I'll use this:

ECO SISSIES

The second part of that word is what was subject to change



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: Barcs

I don't see you guys going after the socialist/communist scum that has infiltrated and attempted to take over (in part or in whole) your party

What do you do instead? You gloss over it, and make some nebulous statement about "big tents" which means you actually entertain dirt socialism/dirt communism as potentially legitimate forms of government. No mind they are failed ideologies, they are also expressly illegal under Constitutional law

IE: Article 4 Section 4, United States Constitution-
"Shall guarantee to each state in the Union a REPUBLICAN form of government"

^^(Not the political party, but a Constitutional Republic)

Socialism and communism have no place here, and they don't deserve a voice in our national discourse. They are advocating for crime, tyranny and other lower forms of existence. Sad thing is, our people used to know how to handle them. They used to be afraid to poke their slimy little heads up out of the mud, but now thanks to radical leftism they are returning with a vengeance

It is a clear and present danger our military and security services must squash.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 06:19 PM
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originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: ElectricUniverse




To tell you the truth I would rather not even post anything this beast has written, but because the left-wing media will continue lying claiming "he is far right-wing" the truth has to be shown. 


I feel you. I've been reluctant to post anything in the NZ threads because of the sheer ignorance of some of our readers and posters but the writing is clearly on the wall.

The fact that the "far right" angle was even entertained is a stain on the ATS community.


The fact this thread exists to try and blame the far left is a stain on ATS too. His manifesto included beliefs from different political idealogoes not just socialist, fascist and Conservative. You're doing the site as much of a disservice as those you decry.

This guy didn't do what he did because he was a Right Wing Nut Job, this guy didn't so what he did because he's a Loony Liberal Lefty, he did this because of chemical imbalances in his brain.

Ignorance denied....


Correct.

Read my other replies.



Like i asked many others before you two... Could you point out what "conservative views" does this murderer have?

If you want ignorance denied then admit what these policies the nazis had were. They were not "right-wing."

For crying out loud. Before the nazis abortion was banned in Germany and the nazis liberalized abortion as well. White women, and minorities could get abortion paid completely by the state if there was any possibility the child could be born with an illness, or genetic disorder. The extreme environmentalism of the nazis is very similar to the extreme environmentalism the left has embraced.

Did people forget the video of UK kids that were interviewed and stated "I would die for the Earth" meanwhile these kids were grinning?
Or the fact that those kids were used in a propaganda video in which the teacher asked who believed in Global Warming, and those that said "they didn't believe in it" their heads were exploded? Or even the calls by other crazy left-wingers that even called for stripping scientists of their degrees if they dared to doubt the AGW claim, or the calls even for imprisonment, or other attempts by the left to label as "science denialist" anyone who would dare doubt the false religion that is AGW?

This needs to stop, otherwise soon enough the left and globalists will certainly do worse towards anyone who would dare doubt the fake religion of the 21st century.

If showing the left how closely their views are to what the nazis believed, maybe at least some will wake up and stop pushing for the new "fascist" laws and policies the left and globalists are trying to push.

How many of you in the left agreed with the writings in the Georgia guide stones before you learned they were set up and paid off by a nazi?




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posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 07:53 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Are you on the same planet as the rest of us? I begin to wonder.

When someone makes a comment on this thread, i tend to give my perspective of it. Or should we just ignore it.


When people bring Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Clinton and go knows who else into this thread, you have a problem with me adding Pinochet and Marcos to that list.

I wonder why that is? They where right wing brutal dictators maybe?


Wrong, first of all the thread is about the murderer, whom is not only a nazi but also showed other far left-wing ideology.

If we were to talk for example about "Ferdinand Marcos," whom took his ideas from the nazis, we would have to point out step by step the policies implemented by Marcos... You, and the rest of the left, who are the true lunatics, can't even admit that the policies of the nazis were "left-wing..." So your attempt is to simply derail the thread.



posted on Mar, 25 2019 @ 07:57 PM
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originally posted by: harold223
Yep. I'm done here too. This guy is straight up deluded. He literally said a few pages back that consensus doesn't mean anything. Consensus on a political theory is a consensus so that others can be on the same page when they talk of a concept, or teach it. We're not talking about physics or maths here, we're talking about an abstract human constructed label for a concept. It is what everyone agrees it is. This guy disagrees lol.

I give up lol


Oh, so then you agree with the nazis's consensus against Einstein?... Consensus doesn't mean crap when it is based on fallacious, and false arguments...

But then again you are only trying to derail the thread once more... i could post the thousands of scientists whom disagree with "your consensus...' I could even show evidence, which has been shown in the past, that "the 97% of scientists agree" is false, and the real number wasn't even close to 97%... When others investigated "Cook's claims" it was more like a percentage of 36%... But then again, that would derail the thread, which is exactly what you and some others want to do...

Instead point out how those policies mentioned here, which the nazis implemented, were "right-wing..."

Try to "enlighten us" as well on how the Chinese, which the murderer admitted to have social and political ideas more aligned to them, are "right-wingers..."





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