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New Zealand Mass Murderer is a Far Left-winger.

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posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 08:44 AM
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originally posted by: jacobe001
a reply to: Alien Abduct

China aligns more to the right.
Unions are banned in China except for the one union run by the government lol.
China is a full blown police state.
China favors the corporations, banks and deep pockets over the will of the citizens.


wow... All communist/socialist regimes ALWAYS terminate the unions that existed under capitalism and implemented government controlled unions. Hitler did exactly the same thing by shutting down all unions in Germany, as other socialist/communist dictators did/do, and created a state union.



Trade Unions and Nazi Germany
Citation: C N Trueman "Trade Unions and Nazi Germany"
historylearningsite.co.uk. The History Learning Site, 9 Mar 2015. 29 Dec 2018.

When Hitler came to power in January 1933, he saw trade unions as exercising more power over the workers than he could. Therefore, trade unions were seen as a challenge to be dispensed with. Hitler knew that he needed the workers to be on his side but he could not allow trade unions to exert the potential power they had. Therefore, trade unions were banned in Nazi Germany and the state took over the role of looking after the working class.
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Hitler announced that the German Labour Force, headed by Robert Ley, would replace all trade unions and would look after the working class. The title was chosen carefully. The new organisation was deliberately cloaked in patriotism, as it was now a German entity as was seen in its title. The working class was now a ‘labour force’. The Nazi Party did all that it could to ensure the workers felt that they were better off under the guidance of the Nazi Party via the German Labour Front.
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Hitler offered the working class an improved leisure life in one hand and took away their traditional rights in the other. Strikes – the traditional way for the working class to vent their anger over an issue – were banned. Strikes had been a thorn in the side of Weimar Germany in its final years. In 1928, the equivalent of 20,339,000 days had been lost as a result of strikes. In 1930, 4,029,000 days had been lost. In 1933, it was just 96,000 days and from 1934 to 1939 there were none. New laws had been brought in after the burning down of the Reichstag and one covered ‘un-German activities’ and strikes were classed as un-German. In January 1934, the Law Regulating National Labour (the ‘Charter of Labour’) banned strikes at statute level.

www.historylearningsite.co.uk...

BTW, just like workers couldn't strike in Germany in other countries like Cuba, North Korea, China, U.S.S.R., and now Venezuela the workers are not allowed to strike, and if they do you get Tianamen square or what is happening to protesters in Venezuela. (yeah i know it was a student protest)


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posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse




You are simply insane, like the rest of the left.


Case closed.

Can we lure them into ZyklonB filled showers with free warm water and soap? Maybe reduce the wages until we can? I dunno, you'll work something out. Sane and clean.

And todays iron star of irony goes to... you!



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 08:49 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Yes you are insane for claiming National socialism is "right-wing" when it has every policy left-wingers like yourself salivate over every day.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion


Nationalization of infrastructure, confiscation of all war profits, nationalization of all trusts, profit-sharing in large industries (Wealth redistribution), communalization (confiscation) of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, agrarian reform and expropiation by the state of all land owned by private owners without compensation for the common purpose, abolition of ground rents and the prohibition of all speculation in land. COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD "A strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political (left-wing) central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations."

Heck...they had their own version of "the state providing free education 100%..." It is in their 20th point...


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20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.
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More on their "own version of left-wing welfare state"...


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21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.
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Heck, they even had their own version of "controlling fake news..." in other words, controlling any news, or information that did not conform with "left-wing ideology..."


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23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:
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Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.
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www.historyplace.com...

How about you prove how any of the above are "right-wing"?



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 08:55 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: PublicOpinion

Yes you are insane for claiming National socialism is "right-wing" when it has every policy left-wingers like yourself salivate over every day.


Like all other isms and parties, there are no true blood party members.
You see socialism for the rich protected more by the right and socialism for the poor protected more by the left.

But really, it comes down to money more than party.

When something makes me money, I am for it.
When something costs me money, I am against it.

Now use that with every political issue and most make sense.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 08:59 AM
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a reply to: jacobe001

"socialism for the rich protected by the right"?... You keep on trying to muddle facts because you can't stomach them. That's the truth.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: PublicOpinion


Nationalization of infrastructure, confiscation of all war profits, nationalization of all trusts, profit-sharing in large industries (Wealth redistribution), communalization (confiscation) of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, agrarian reform and expropiation by the state of all land owned by private owners without compensation for the common purpose, abolition of ground rents and the prohibition of all speculation in land. COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD "A strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political (left-wing) central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations."

Heck...they had their own version of "the state providing free education 100%..." It is in their 20th point...


...
20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.
...


More on their "own version of left-wing welfare state"...


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21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.
...


Heck, they even had their own version of "controlling fake news..." in other words, controlling any news, or information that did not conform with "left-wing ideology..."


...
23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:
...
Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.
...

www.historyplace.com...

How about you prove how any of the above are "right-wing"?



Man, I said I'd leave and I don't know why I'm wasting my Saturday night on this but "Deny Ignorance" I guess. You haven't understood the core of what I have said several times but will try one last time.

Right Wing is not defined purely in economic terms. Right wing can still include economic authoritarianism and control. Right wing does not equal "liberalism".

The key is in social structure, particularly class. Right wing means "naturally" leaving social class and position to either merit or means (wealth or social prestige). It means that the underlying social structure is one of "have's" and "have not's".

Left wing according to Marxist theory means the abolishment of social class and position to one of "egalitarianism" where every person holds an equal position in society. Everyone, regardless of who their parents are or what their ethnicity is considered of equal merit. Nazi Germany was not constructed this way. In fact they outright rejected this philosophy. They very much believed that some were better than others and in the case of Nazi Germany that was based on Race, primarily.

These underlying social structures are the reason historians class Nazi Germany as right wing. The economics you are hung up on are irrelevant in this regard. This is all from me because you have blinkers on and are not listening or are unable to comprehend.
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Edit: I have tried to simplify that as much as I can. It is much more complicated than that.
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posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Oh, that's why they went for the worker unions first? Meanwhile you run around with the party book of shallow NSDAP promises in total disregard for their actual policies. But the power (and capital) behind this party might be of interest as well:


As to the numerically less significant, but socially and economically important upper class of industrialists and big landowners, the support received from this group by the Nazi party even before 1933 was of great impact. On January 27, 1932, Hitler addressed the Industry Club in Düsseldorf, the center of Germany’s heavy industry; his success in winning over the leaders of heavy industry was impressive. Most notable among active supporters of Nazism before 1933 were such world-famous German industrial figures as Fritz Thyssen and the Krupp family. While looking down upon the Nazi leadership as a group of plebeian upstarts without the breeding and background of gentlemen, German industrialists and big landowners supported Nazism for two main reasons: first, the Nazis promised the abolition of free labor unions, and second, the industrialists understood that the remilitarization of Germany coupled with an aggressive foreign policy would be profitable for business. The support of the steel industry was particularly significant. Already during the Second Reich, the friendship between the Kaiser and the Krupp family pointed to the intimate ties between German heavy industry and militarism. The alliance between the steel industry and Nazism before 1933 was but a renewal of these historical ties between industry and a German government with an antisocialist, antidemocratic, and imperialistic policy. During World War n, German heavy industry profited from its ties with the Nazi regime, since it was the main beneficiary of the labor of millions of foreign workers deported to Germany.

www.encyclopedia.com...

Furthermore, there are "little" details like this:


Initially set up in Germany in 1935, Lebensborn expanded into several occupied European countries during the Second World War.[1] In line with the racial and eugenic policies of Nazi Germany, the Lebensborn programme was restricted to individuals who were deemed to be "biologically fit" and "racially pure", "Aryans", and to SS members. In occupied countries, thousands of women facing social ostracism because they were in relationships with German soldiers and had become pregnant, had few alternatives other than applying for help with Lebensborn.

enacademic.com...

Their programs can't be social unless you redefine the term to be applied on said Aryans only. Hence the term national-socialism.

I'm totally bonkers for different reasons btw, but thanks for taking note!
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posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: harold223

You can only lead a horse to the water... mein Führer!



It's still bright outside in former Nazi-Germany, I can shine a light on things while you go out and have a few puffs on my birthday. lol.

Have a great night!



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I agree and it is wrong.
Workers should be able to organize without the interference from the state and business getting in their way. That is a free market in action.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 12:51 PM
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The maniac is clearly a Leftist kook.

Who also happens to be a "white supremacist" .

The two often do occur together on the Left.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Barcs


Some on here want to re-write The Oxford English Dictionary.

They want the definition of a " Fascist " to mean someone with left wing views.

If this episode wasn't so tragic, it would be comical with some of the posts on here.


Are you denying that Fascism was born from Marxism?
In todays terms, yes facism is described as 'right-wing' which means precisely nothing.
It has far more in common with left wing ideology than Conservatism.

A dictionary does not replace a history book or historical documents.

Do some proper research - start with Giovanni Gentile.



TERRIBLE argument. That's like saying biology is the same as astrophysics because all biological processes came from the big bang originally.

Plus it's wrong:

From wiki on Facism, the very first line:


Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical, right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism,[1][2][3][4] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy,[5]


Just stop.


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posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Tartuffe





So are you


No i am not.

I use the common dictionary definition as millions of others do,


Again, the common dictionary records usage, not what a word should mean. If everyone started saying "fascism means to have left wing views", the dictionary would use that definition, and I guess you would just agree with it.


You are trying to use equivocation. This is like saying that YOU are a terrorist because I define terrorism as people that support conservative views online.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth


Sorry but this is not valid. It's more of a graph, not a circle. The authoritarian regime of Stalin would be much further left and fall outside of the circle.


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posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: harold223

Man, I said I'd leave and I don't know why I'm wasting my Saturday night on this but "Deny Ignorance" I guess. You haven't understood the core of what I have said several times but will try one last time.

Right Wing is not defined purely in economic terms. Right wing can still include economic authoritarianism and control. Right wing does not equal "liberalism".
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Leave if you want, but you alongside some others keep trying to obfuscate the truth. I never wrote "right-wing is defined in economic terms... But then you went ahead to claim "it can include economic authoritarianism and control." BS... Right-wing = a free markets with few to no regulations... Heck, the argument of the LEFT has ALWAYS been "we need more and more regulations and control of the market, otherwise you get cronyist capitalism... Now you are claiming this is not true and "right-wingers" want regulations to control the markets?... LOL



originally posted by: harold223
The key is in social structure, particularly class. Right wing means "naturally" leaving social class and position to either merit or means (wealth or social prestige). It means that the underlying social structure is one of "have's" and "have not's".

Left wing according to Marxist theory means the abolishment of social class and position to one of "egalitarianism" where every person holds an equal position in society. Everyone, regardless of who their parents are or what their ethnicity is considered of equal merit. Nazi Germany was not constructed this way. In fact they outright rejected this philosophy. They very much believed that some were better than others and in the case of Nazi Germany that was based on Race, primarily.


Wrong again... This is what happens when left-wingers don't read everything that Marx and Engels wrote... There is a reason why Marx postulated a permanent dictatorship of the proletariat... By stating that "dictatorship of the proletariat" has to be permanent he stated quite clearly that classes would continue to exist. If classes were to be completely "abolished" like you claim there would be no need for a permanent dictatorship of the proletariat...

Not to mention the fact, as I have stated in the past, that to Marx people who owned ANY of the means of production, no matter how small, to Marx was part of the bourgeoisie... A family who own a small to medium farm are part of the bourgeoisie because they own part of the means of production. This is why farms are completely taken over by the state under socialism and communism, which the nazis did as well.


originally posted by: harold223
These underlying social structures are the reason historians class Nazi Germany as right wing. The economics you are hung up on are irrelevant in this regard. This is all from me because you have blinkers on and are not listening or are unable to comprehend.

Edit: I have tried to simplify that as much as I can. It is much more complicated than that.


What many of you among the left can't understand is that Marx contradicted himself about "The Classes." On the one hand he claimed that in communism a classless society will ensued, on the other hand he also stated that the rules of the classes would reverse with the "proletariat" becoming the rulers.


...the first step in the revolution by the working class, is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle for democracy.
Karl Marx

www.azquotes.com...

You will try to claim "but that's only the first step," but as a matter of fact Marx himself stated the dictatorship of the proletariat was to become permanent. It is why he called it the permanent revolution.

If the "proletariat" are to become the ruling class, despite Marx claims at times that it was only temporary, for it to remain a permanent revolution somebody has to be in charge. In the case of socialism/communism the most loyal supporters of these ideas (socialism/communism) become the ruling class.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 06:50 PM
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Guys, the long and short of all this is that all evil comes from the left.

There are zero evil right leaning people.

It’s that simple, the left are Satan worshipping heathens who want to steal your soul.

The right are pure, wholesome and righteous.

So sayeth electricuniverse, prophet of lord Jesus Christ himself



Amen.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 06:55 PM
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originally posted by: Chadwickus
Guys, the long and short of all this is that all evil comes from the left.

There are zero evil right leaning people.

It’s that simple, the left are Satan worshipping heathens who want to steal your soul.

The right are pure, wholesome and righteous.

So sayeth electricuniverse, prophet of lord Jesus Christ himself



Amen.


In simple terms you are correct.

There is really no right and left, but the 'left' as it is falsely labelled is for people who love to control others. Authoritarians that want to see every aspect of people's lives controlled. That is why all the evil springs from the left, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Clinton, etc...
The 'right', which is also a meaningless label, is for Freedom and individuality with govt restricted to running essential services only and staying out of people's lives.

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posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 07:15 PM
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originally posted by: Chadwickus
Guys, the long and short of all this is that all evil comes from the left.

There are zero evil right leaning people.

It’s that simple, the left are Satan worshipping heathens who want to steal your soul.

The right are pure, wholesome and righteous.

So sayeth electricuniverse, prophet of lord Jesus Christ himself

Amen.


ROFLMAO, Could you point out where i wrote that?... Ironic how the ONLY way you can argue this is by trying to mock the messenger... How about you PROVE any of those policies implemented by the nazis were "right-wing..."

Ironic that you make this claim when it is YOU/the left who keep on making false accusations about "the right are the nazis" when every policy implemented by them is "socialist..."



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 07:19 PM
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Odd..I’ve never called the right nazis.

Triggered much?

Very unprophet-like.

Jesus would not be pleased!



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 07:24 PM
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The 'right', which is also a meaningless label, is for Freedom and individuality with govt restricted to running essential services only and staying out of people's lives


You post some right rubbish.

So how about that favourite right wing mate of Margaret Thatcher one Augusto Pinochet, former Military Dictator of Chile.

His lists of crimes against his own people and others is to long to write, but here are some snippets.




Augusto Pinochet (Nov. 25, 1915-Dec. 10, 2006) was an army officer and dictator of Chile from 1973 to 1990. His years in power were marked by inflation, poverty, and the ruthless repression of opposition leaders. Pinochet was involved in Operation Condor, a cooperative effort by several South American governments to remove leftist opposition leaders, often by murder. Several years after stepping down, he was charged with war crimes concerning his time as president but died in 2006 before being convicted on any charges





Pinochet and Chile were heavily involved in Operation Condor, a collaborative effort among the governments of Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay, and Uruguay to control leftist dissidents such as the MIR, or Movement of the Revolutionary Left, in Bolivia, and the Tupamaros, a band of Marxist revolutionaries that operated in Uruguay. The effort consisted mainly of a series of kidnappings, "disappearances," and assassinations of prominent opponents of the right-wing regimes in those countries



www.thoughtco.com...



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