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New Zealand Mass Murderer is a Far Left-winger.

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posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 07:10 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: harold223

You are simply insane, like the rest of the left.
Nationalization of infrastructure is not right-wing...
Confiscation of land, private property, or wealth without compensation and without merit is not right-wing...
The common good before the individual good is not right-wing...
The creation of a strong central authority and the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations, is not right-wing...

RACISM itself is not right-wing... As a matter of fact DEMOCRATS/the LEFT voted against most of the Civil RIghts Acts that REPUBLICANS tried to pass for 200 years, and even in the 1964 Civil Rights Act democrats only voted ~60% in favor of the CRA, meanwhile REPUBLICANS voted over 80% in favor of the CRA...

But of course, as you have shown, and most left-wingers as well, you don't care for facts.




If I'm insane then so are pretty much all 20th century historians and political theorists, because the official classification of Nazi Germany is a Right Wing Nationalist state. They did not adhere to the fundamental social structures involving the egalitarian abolishment of class that is a hall mark of left wing marxist theory. They were not libertarian capitalist, no doubt, but they were at the far right of the spectrum to the point of authoritarian due to their hard line Nationalism (Everything for the state) rather than the marxist, everything for the people "collective". Some historians argue that the Soviet Union drifted away from Marxist theory to Nationalism under Stalin but that's another debate entirely.

The Nazi's did allow private ownership and enterprise (as long as you weren't a jew that is). I think some people don't get what Right Wing actually means. I'm really not sure your getting any of this.




posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 07:31 AM
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a reply to: harold223

Riiiight...when you can't win an argument simply claim "consensus" to win... Like the fake 97% consensus of scientists that the left also uses...

Heck, like the consensus of 100 scientists/authors Hitler himself tried to use against Einstein...

Hundert Autoren Gegen Einstein (One Hundred Authors Against Einstein)

To which Einstein replied...


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to defeat relativity one did not need the word of 100 scientists, just one fact."
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Albert Einstein Biography
Leaving Germany and World War II


Or as he also said...


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''If I were wrong, then one [author] would have been enough!’'
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Extremely rare: One Hundred Authors Against Einstein / [Hundert] 100 Autoren gegen Einstein, Leipzig, 1931

Try again...


edit on 23-3-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 07:34 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero
Is there something called just crazy? Whether you are left or right what this guy did was pure crazy. I don't think he even knew what he was since he was all over the board to assume any kind principal position. We keep talking about what he is and never ask why?

Why the hell did he do it, there... Seems like he had zero motive out side of pure crazy... I'm almost thinking MK ultra type event since it mirrors Australia's critical point of going the direction of absolute gun control, and it is not like NZ really needs it in any way.

Just crazy is what we had here. Good points. Cray-cray is what it is.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 07:37 AM
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I think where the rubber meets the road is where those on the right stood when this first broke out.
I can link to several different Trump heavy forums and threads where many said the NZ shooter did not finish the job and the moderators had to get the ban hammer out to quite it down.

Now the narrative is to distance themselves from these acts which is a good thing because the extremist on the right lose support.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 07:45 AM
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BTW, Ludwig Heinrich Edler von Mises, a philosopher, Austrian School economist, and classical liberal was there and saw the economy implemented by the nazis and stated they were socialists.


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“[In]the German or “Zwangswirtschaft” system [literally “compulsive economy”] The government tells the seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labor should work and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority; they are prices wages and interest rates in appearance only…… This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism.”
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Planned Chaos

There you have one source that was there and should know better than you and your legion of lying Liberals/left-wingers.

Who was it that said?

“Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of the nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, ‘Deutschland ueber Alles,’ to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people and land — that man is a Socialist.

Oh yeah, Hitler was his name.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 07:48 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

This is getting quite silly lol. Because its not far off midnight here, I'll just quote wikipedia again


en.wikipedia.org...


Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics, or tradition.[4]:p. 693, 721[5][6][7][8][9] Hierarchy and inequality may be viewed as natural results of traditional social differences[10][11] or the competition in market economies.[12][13] The term right-wing can generally refer to "the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system".[14]

Although the right-wing originated with traditional conservatives, monarchists, and reactionaries, Text[21] From the 1830s to the 1880s, there was a shift in the Western world of social class structure and the economy, moving away from nobility and aristocracy towards capitalism.[22] This general economic shift toward capitalism affected centre-right movements such as the British Conservative Party, which responded by becoming supportive of capitalism.[23] In the United States, the Right includes both economic and social conservatives.[24] In Europe, economic conservatives are usually considered liberal and the Right includes nationalists, nativist opposition to immigration, religious conservatives, and historically a significant presence of right-wing movements with anti-capitalist sentiments including conservatives and fascists who opposed what they saw as the selfishness and excessive materialism inherent in contemporary capitalism.[25][26]



en.wikipedia.org...


Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy.[1][2][3][4] It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others (prioritarianism) as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished (by advocating for social justice).[1] The term left-wing can also refer to "the radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system".[5]


The mistake you and many others are making is viewing Right Wing through purely economic lenses. The economics you are equating as the total definition of right wing is "neoliberal economics". It is "Centre Right" on the so called spectrum. The economics of the world were very different to today in the 1940's, particularly in Europe. Apples and oranges. Right wing is also about social structure and the social structure of Nazi Germany was very right wing. It was not at all an egalitarian collective, which is the hallmark of far left ideology. If it was they wouldn't have gassed the jews. Consensus is important, its what most people who have spent their life studying this stuff have concluded.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Have you been to 4chan or 8chans pol forums?
Its litterally full of satirical and literal ultra right wing rhetoric and left wing bashing, which could easily brainwash someone like the nz shooter.

His manifesto should honestly be taken with a grain of salt. Just like the areas of the internet he worshiped. He also made the "white power" hand gesture in his court appearance photo with his blurred face. The man wasnt left, he was a easily manipulated, weak minded person.


The fact that they are distancing themselves from people like him will isolate the extremists on the right and weaken them.

The not so extremist on the right will eat them alive by calling them liberals lol.
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posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 07:50 AM
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From a WWII survivor who saw and experienced nazi Germany... (She is Austrian)



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After Hitler’s health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.

As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.
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Link


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posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 07:57 AM
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a reply to: harold223

lol oh yeah, wikipedia beats a philosopher, and economist who saw and experienced nazi Germany...

Wikipedia and the legion of lying liberals/democrats, who were not there, beat the statements from survivors or the fact that Hitler's policies were socialist... lol indeed...



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 07:57 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
BTW, Ludwig Heinrich Edler von Mises, a philosopher, Austrian School economist, and classical liberal was there and saw the economy implemented by the nazis and stated they were socialists.


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“[In]the German or “Zwangswirtschaft” system [literally “compulsive economy”] The government tells the seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labor should work and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority; they are prices wages and interest rates in appearance only…… This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism.”
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Planned Chaos

There you have one source that was there and should know better than you and your legion of lying Liberals/left-wingers.

Who was it that said?

“Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of the nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, ‘Deutschland ueber Alles,’ to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people and land — that man is a Socialist.

Oh yeah, Hitler was his name.



You're confusing Nationalism and Marxism. Very different things. Read Mein Kampf, Read some Karl Marx, take a course in Sociology and International Relations, you will get an idea of social structures and it will start to make sense.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 07:59 AM
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originally posted by: 0n514ught

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: 0n514ught

And when was it that Obama ordered that all "radical Muslim attacks" not be named as such in police/government reports but to just report them as "religious attacks"?... We know full well the left "believes" all religious attacks come from the right...

I asked this in another thread. Why doesn't that "report" point out person by person who they are talking about?...




In the Islam world, Radical Muslims are the right wing and the moderates are the left. Not sure about Obama and "all "radical Muslim attacks" not be named as such in police/government reports" now we got Trump staying mute on right wing terrorism.



Spot on.
In the middle east, the reformers want to do away with the Saudi Monarch and other dictatorships while the radicals like MBS cut off their heads with a bone saw. They say MBS is a reformist but he is business as usual cutting off heads that speak against the Royals. Same as it ever was.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 08:05 AM
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originally posted by: harold223
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It was not at all an egalitarian collective, which is the hallmark of far left ideology. If it was they wouldn't have gassed the jews. Consensus is important, its what most people who have spent their life studying this stuff have concluded.


oh really?... What about the famine forced upon the Russian people by Stalin?... i guess that must mean he wasn't a communist...

What about the genocides committed by every freaking socialist and communist regime?...

Even today you got the "socialism of the 21st century" murdering people almost daily in Venezuela...

As for your claim about "consensus..."

There was consensus that the Earth was flat...
There was consensus that a train going at over 30mph would cause people to die from a lack of oxygen...
There is consensus among left-wingers today that "socialism works" despite the fact that it has been tried and doesn't work...

Consensus doesn't make anyone right, more so when they are based on lies...



edit on 23-3-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 08:07 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler
My opinion is that the murderer intentionally cited both left wing (being eco fascist and most relating with China) and right wing (against immigration) beliefs because he knew that both sides would only look at what fit their narraative and blame the other side.

And both sides are doing this.

Though no doubt those with real power, the msm, politicians etc, are blaming the right, as the killer predicted.

I am right wing, the killer doesnt represent me.

I know many left wing people who are environmentalists, the killer doesnt represent them.


Excellent point.
The nut is like a politician that throws a bone to extremists on both sides but I think it will actually weaken them.
You will get less people on the extreme right openly speaking about taking out a bunch of muslims in jest as I have seen countless times.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 08:13 AM
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originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: 0n514ught
In the Islam world, Radical Muslims are the right wing and the moderates are the left. Not sure about Obama and "all "radical Muslim attacks" not be named as such in police/government reports" now we got Trump staying mute on right wing terrorism.



Spot on.
In the middle east, the reformers want to do away with the Saudi Monarch and other dictatorships while the radicals like MBS cut off their heads with a bone saw. They say MBS is a reformist but he is business as usual cutting off heads that speak against the Royals. Same as it ever was.




LOL... socialism is ingrained in ALL Muslim countries... radicals and moderates ALL are left-wing... The only difference is that radical Muslims are "far left-wing" and as radical and tyrannical as the "far left-wingers in the west." The Muslim moderates tend to be moderate democrats or progressives.... But as a majority most Muslims, whether radical or moderate, are left-wing...


Socialism and Islam

Although generally considered to be of European origin, socialism (Arabic ishtirakiyyah ) also has roots in the Arab Middle East. Jamal al-Din al-Afghani believed that socialism was an indigenous Arab doctrine located in pre-Islamic Arabian Bedouin traditions. He claimed that the framers of the initial Islamic state in the seventh century adopted these traditions as a structural basis from which to organize and regulate society. Islamic reformists began articulating religiously based ideas of social justice in the 1930s and 1940s. They asserted Islam's universality and commitment to comprehensive human and economic justice, returning to the Quran for confirmation of Islam's spiritual and material compatibility with social progress. Islamic socialism took root in the Middle East and North Africa and was most successfully used as an ideology in Egypt, Syria, and Iraq. Reformists saw Islamic socialism as a cure for colonial control, economic backwardness, human exploitation, and moral bankruptcy. Spiritual and economic improvement were not possible until the lives of people could be improved and the decent treatment and justice stipulated by the Quran could be provided to them. Islamic socialism allows the public sector to exist side by side with the private sector, advocating harmonious relations between social groups, not class warfare. The basis of social solidarity in the Islamic socialist model is a combination of equality, justice, mutuality, and responsibility.
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Socialism and Islam


Of socialism and Islam
From the NewspaperJuly 08, 2011

IS Islam compatible with socialism? The question is asked because to many ‘socialism’ means an atheistic philosophy, and at the very core of Islamic teachings is the belief in one God. How can then Islam and socialism go together?

However, this is not the correct view. Many noted ulema had accepted socialism as an essential part of Islamic teachings. In India, Maulana Hasrat Mohani and Maulana Ubaidullah Sindhi enthusiastically supported the communist movement. Maulana Mohani was one of the founders of the Communist Party of India.

Maulana Ubaidullah Sindhi, who had migrated to Afghanistan during the Khilafat movement and had formed a transition government there along with Mahendra Pratap Singh, left for Russia when the king of Afghanistan came under pressure from the British to expel the members of this government. In Moscow they met Lenin and discussed with him the strategies to fight British colonialism. Maulana Sindhi returned to India only in the early 1940s.
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Of socialism and Islam


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posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 08:17 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: harold223
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It was not at all an egalitarian collective, which is the hallmark of far left ideology. If it was they wouldn't have gassed the jews. Consensus is important, its what most people who have spent their life studying this stuff have concluded.


oh really?... What about the famine forced upon the Russian people by Stalin?... i guess that must mean he wasn't a communist...

What about the genocides committed by every freaking socialist and communist regime?...

Even today you got the "socialism of the 21st century" murdering people almost daily in Venezuela...

As for your claim about "consensus..."

There was consensus that the Earth was flat...
There was consensus that a train going at over 30mph would cause people to die from a lack of oxygen...
There is consensus among left-wingers today that "socialism works" despite the fact that it has been tried and doesn't work...

Consensus doesn't make anyone right, more so when they are based on lies...




Stalin was a far left to the point of totalitarian, he was a tyrant. Hitler was far right to the point of totalitarian, he was a tyrant. Stalinist communism moved along way from the theories of Karl Marx. (Egalitarian collectivism) to the point of.. once again, Nationalism. The answer is in the underlying structure. I don't support tyrants of any creed, my personal views are centre left. You need to look at the social structures of the system, to be able to correctly label it. But damn man, all this over what is just a label to try and put something in a box. The Christchurch killer was a lunatic, he killed some guys, Hitler and Stalin were Lunatics who killed a lot of people. Hitler was right wing, Stalin was left wing. Both were Nationalists. Marx was not a nationalists. Some say he was an anarchists.

Evil is evil.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 08:22 AM
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BTW...this claim that "right-wing = against immigration" is false... People keep confusing ILLEGAL immigration with LEGAL immigration... The right is in "favor of legal immigration and against ILLEGAL immigration..."

In this same thread I have already posted a video showing that democrats were against illegal immigration right until Trump became POTUS... But it seems many in the left have really fragile minds and can't remember past yesterday...



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 08:24 AM
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a reply to: harold223

Nationalims IS NOT RIGHTWING. If it was then Gandhi was right-wing since he was a NATIONAL SOCIALIST...

Nationalism can, and does exist in left-wing and right-wing governments.



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: harold223

Nationalims IS NOT RIGHTWING. If it was then Gandhi was right-wing since he was a NATIONAL SOCIALIST...

Nationalism can, and does exist in left-wing and right-wing governments.


I know, I just said that Stalin was a Nationalist and left wing ya dingbat lol. Are you even reading and comprehending what I'm saying? You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and clearly have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about. Peace out brother



posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 08:30 AM
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a reply to: Alien Abduct

China aligns more to the right.
Unions are banned in China except for the one union run by the government lol. Under free market capitalism workers have the right to organize for better pay and working conditions.
Under Communism, workers have no rights.
China is a full blown police state.
China favors the corporations, banks and deep pockets over the will of the citizens.
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posted on Mar, 23 2019 @ 08:42 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
BTW...this claim that "right-wing = against immigration" is false... People keep confusing ILLEGAL immigration with LEGAL immigration... The right is in "favor of legal immigration and against ILLEGAL immigration..."

In this same thread I have already posted a video showing that democrats were against illegal immigration right until Trump became POTUS... But it seems many in the left have really fragile minds and can't remember past yesterday...



Lol, you will get trounced on if I direct you to some other forums that are extreme right.
You should go educate them first



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