Brexit: Revoke Article 50 petition crashes Parliament website

a reply to: Xtrozero

It really is so simple isn't it.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Xtrozero

It really is so simple isn't it.

and if the scenario played out it would identify any miscreants intent of derailing the process in an instant.

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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Xtrozero

It really is so simple isn't it.

Not really because, well... because... erm

It's just not alright!

a reply to: Freeborn

Well, i think that we are supposed to imagine the votes count for something.

Else one has to accept the fact that our notion of the democratic process in this nation is a sham.

Which it is all the same, because its a monarchy. LoL

Brexit, no Brexit, deal or no deal, it won't shift the status quo, they will still remain in their ivory towers.

What meaningless is us, or our opinions, to them i suppose.

originally posted by: Freeborn

It really is so simple isn't it.

Seems a lot like Trump's scenario. Before his first day in office the left was screaming impeach!! and that has basically been 100% of the left agenda from day one. Seems in 2017+ there something called a do-over in Politics now if you do not get your way.

a reply to: andy06shake

I think it always comes down to one thing, the money...

The Conservative party is heavily reliant on large cash donations from hedge funds, bankers, and magnates to fund its campaigns, according to a new analysis of the party’s finances. Since the 2015 general election 18.6 per cent of all donations to the party – totalling £8.4m – have come from hedge funds or people associated, while 6.5 per cent or £2.9m have come from investment bankers and the finance sector in general. Another 7.9 per cent of the party’s funding or £3.6m comes from property magnates, with a further chunk coming from fossil fuel companies.

Polit ical Donations "Independent article" from 2017

Alongside the money interests.
I know a few politicians, they do favours behind the scenes, dodgy dealings etc, with various business interests, fixing contracts, revolving doors in various sectors etc. Hand each others dirt to the press for favourable articles in future or threaten to blackmail opponents for support etc. By the time you get anywhere, if you are not shot down with a mistake (by mistake I mean, caught out with something) you are highly likely to have something to hide and a trail of dirt behind you which makes you easy to control.
Our system is compromised and has not worked in the public interest for a long time now. Maybe tighter control over amounts of donations and their sources would be somewhere to start.

My opinion is based on politicians I have known personally that are within the SNP. God knows what the fricken Conservatives are like.

They all stink of self interest, ego mania and greed.

Say that as a disappointed former SNP supporter.

a reply to: XXXN3O

Well my opinion thus far is that Brexit

Has been and is like watching Chimpanzees attempt to fathom Quantum mechanics.

They simply don't have the tools not mental capacity for the task at hand and then some.

And that is by design.

Truth is politicians are all about backhanders and lining their own pockets at the expense of the very same people they are supposed to represent.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: XXXN3O

Well my opinion thus far is that Brexit

Has been and is like like watching Chimpanzees attempt to fathom Quantum mechanics.

They simply don't have the tools not mental capacity for the task at hand and then some.

And that is by design.

Truth is politicians are all about backhanders and lining their own pockets at the expense of the very same people they are supposed to represent.

It looks like that yep, and it is by design too.

They cannot bite the hand that feeds them I think

a reply to: XXXN3O

Mate, they have taken the whole arm off already, never mind the hand.

And are proceeding to chow down on our testicles.

It's the banker's hands that feed them.

They don't care about people.

Truth is we are simply a commodity to them, to be bought, bartered and sold, as "They" see fit.

Brexit won't change that fact, just enable them to do far worse, without any outside interference, imho.

a reply to: andy06shake

My heads battered....I'm going to the pub for the weekend.



Have a couple on me mate.

a reply to: Freeborn

Will do.

Have a good night.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

A stat list about why everything any remainer has to complain about is anti democratic and how parliament is the problem:

Brexit

By Votes
17.4million Leave : 16.1 Million Remain

By Constituency
406 Leave : 242 Remain

By Constituency Party
Lab-148 Leave : 84 Remain
Con- 247 Leave : 80 Remain

By Region
9 Leave : 3 Remain

BY MP
160 Leave : 486 Remain

a reply to: teapot

nice breakdown
those statistics are very revealing

a reply to: shooterbrody

Says to me that the people are pretty much divided, and split right down the middle.

And the MPs simply don't want to commit to anything that resembles a no deal Brexit.

Given the profound impact, hard Brexit will bring about.

a reply to: teapot

indeed and lord only knows it's getting late..........odelay..beck.

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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

a reply to: XXXN3O


That's exactly what I was talking about back on page 6. How does anybody know the signee(sp?) count is actually valid UK citizens?

a reply to: teapot

Yeah I can play with stats too.

Scotland
Ireland
Manchester
Liverpool
London
Cardif

All voted to remain

Most under 50s voted to remain

By constituency and MP doesn’t really mean much in the case of a referendum it is interesting from the point of how MPs behave but that’s about it.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: teapot

Yeah I can play with stats too.

Scotland
Ireland
Manchester
Liverpool
London
Cardif

All voted to remain

Most under 50s voted to remain

By constituency and MP doesn’t really mean much in the case of a referendum it is interesting from the point of how MPs behave but that’s about it.

What a surprise... All the places with the highest levels of EU immigration and EU nationals given citizenship.

Funny though isn’t it when you look at the majority of places that did vote to leave, mostly British.

Does that not speak volumes to you OSOTC?

Another thing - Serious question now... If there were to be a second referendum, would you be happy if instead the tick boxes were ‘Soft Brexit’ or ‘Hard Brexit’.... I am willing to lay money on it that you say no and it should still be leave or remain even though we voted once.

Surely the most democratic thing to do at this stage would be to ask the question ‘No dea/Hard Brexit’ or ‘Soft Brexit’