Beto O’Rourke: ‘A Lot of Wisdom’ in Abolishing Electoral College

originally posted by: Maroboduus
a reply to: shooterbrody

You are literally just making stuff up because you dont actually have any idea what you are talking about. The Democrats have been pointing out the stupidity of the EC for many years. Just because you ignored politics until your favorite reality tv star became president doesnt mean they didnt exist.

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originally posted by: Maroboduus
a reply to: shooterbrody

You are literally just making stuff up because you dont actually have any idea what you are talking about. The Democrats have been pointing out the stupidity of the EC for many years. Just because you ignored politics until your favorite reality tv star became president doesnt mean they didnt exist.

You mean those same Democrats that screwed Bernie out of the nomination through the arcane use of "superdelegates"?

LMAO

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: Maroboduus
a reply to: shooterbrody

You are literally just making stuff up because you dont actually have any idea what you are talking about. The Democrats have been pointing out the stupidity of the EC for many years. Just because you ignored politics until your favorite reality tv star became president doesnt mean they didnt exist.

You mean those same Democrats that screwed Bernie out of the nomination through the arcane use of "superdelegates"?

LMAO

In June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for violating the DNC Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders.

Democrats have the right to rig voting.

originally posted by: Maroboduus
a reply to: neo96

[SNIP]

Spoiler alert: Those countries aren't the USA, more's the pity for them.

[SNIP]

If one popularity contest is so good, then more than one contest must be better.

Spoiler alert: the USA has FIFTY popularity contests. Because we're awesome like that.

originally posted by: Maroboduus
a reply to: shooterbrody

You are literally just making stuff up because you dont actually have any idea what you are talking about. The Democrats have been pointing out the stupidity of the EC for many years. Just because you ignored politics until your favorite reality tv star became president doesnt mean they didnt exist.

The Democrats have been saying one one hand that Trump is trying to destroy the institutions of the USA and our Constitution while actively campaigning with their other hand to destroy those institutions.

Spoiler alert: You didn't think about that, huh?

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Maroboduus

Spoiler alert.

Read the constitution before calling people 'morons'.

That's rude by the way.

You don't really expect him to have a clue about our sytem of government do you?

Our system is the worst on the planet, except for all the others that have been tried, that is.

It's unfortunate that ppl dont understand what a representative republic of independent states is, or why our founding fathers designed it the way they did.

They studied history of nation states, such as Greece, and Rome, and came to the conclusion that there was a better way.

Using the word "genius" to describe what they came up with, is not out of line IMO.

Are there modern day issues that need to be addressed? Sure, but they included a mechanism for that very problem.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
People claims that the EC is an unfair advantage for republicans are delusional...

No they aren't. The last 2 republican presidents lost the popular vote when first elected.

Even in the EC the deck is slanted in favor of the people that promise everything for free in the high population density areas... The only reason trump won was the Hillary campaign was one of the worst run in my life time.

He still lost the majority vote, though.

Lastly you claim its not fair and people in high density population areas votes aren't counted, or don't count... yet go straight democratic vote and every body that doesn't live in those areas will never have their vote count, how is that fair?

That does not even make sense. If every 1 person's vote is counted as 1 vote is absolutely fair. You think cities should be penalized for having more people? That's ridiculous.

originally posted by: neo96
And yet it's not republicans trying to get rid of it.

Those people that are?

Are the desperate ones.

When it comes to picking the president and vice president?

The sheer amount of power they have.

Shouldn't be relegated to dumb snips,

And like it or not.

The majority of Americans are dumb snips.

Trump lost the popular vote and that shows something is majorly wrong with the electoral college when it doesn't reflect who the majority of people vote for. Dems are trying to get rid of it because they have an unfair advantage, plus many people don't vote because their votes don't count.

Reforming it actually benefits both sides because tons of people (both Dem and Rep) do not vote because of the state they live in. Why vote blue in a red state? Hell, why vote at all? You know the state is going red regardless. Same is true for republicans that live in blue states. Their votes basically do not count.

originally posted by: LSU2018
2016 saw the biggest turnout in voting history. Try again. Republicans are desperate to uphold the constitution of the United States of America? You don't say!

That's a blatant lie. The turnout percentage was higher in 2008.

www.electproject.org...

LMAO @ highest turnout in history. Did you hear that on Fox News or something?

If we went by the popular vote then the vote of people in 49 other states wouldn't have counted in the last election.

100% false. Everybody's vote would count as 1 vote, thus the entire population of the US is treated EQUALLY. Everybody would be counted this way. To say people's votes won't be counted doesn't make the least bit of sense! Yeah conservatives are desperate to keep this archaic system in place.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
Sure change it so that every county in America equals one vote, you have to win 50% of all counties plus 1 to win the general.
That is fair so that everybody has an equal say.

Looks at last election map

Now why would we ever allow these little smatterings of blue to control the entire country ?
Because that is what they are asking for.

BECAUSE THEY REPRESENT MORE PEOPLE! LMAO! You guys make the same BS arguments that land mass should have more value than individuals. It doesn't make logical sense.

a reply to: scrounger

Agreed. I also think it would be better if they had a voting week instead of just one day. This way there wouldn't be long ass lines at the polling centers with people waiting hours on a TUESDAY, when everyone has to work and is trying to squeeze in their votes at the last second. It's a horrible system right now. It needs major reform.

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: neo96
And yet it's not republicans trying to get rid of it.

Those people that are?

Are the desperate ones.

When it comes to picking the president and vice president?

The sheer amount of power they have.

Shouldn't be relegated to dumb snips,

And like it or not.

The majority of Americans are dumb snips.

Well yeah, the majority of Americans are dumb, since Trump won, but he lost the popular vote and that shows something is majorly wrong with the electoral college when it doesn't reflect who the majority of people vote for. Dems are trying to get rid of it because they have an unfair advantage, plus many people don't vote because their votes don't count. It shouldn't be that way on both sides.

It would be "dumb", if the United States were a true democracy.

It is a representative republic of independent states.

What is so hard to understand about this concept.

Our president is the president of the states, not of the individual people. That is why we use an EC.

Why would a state, say Wyoming, or Rhode Island, for example, join the republic in the first place, if this were not the case?

originally posted by: Maroboduus
a reply to: neo96

Feel free to name a si gle other country in the world that has a system like the Electoral College, you uneducated moron. Spoiler Alert: there arent any. Because it is a stupid, terrible system.

Are you going to argue that there is nothing wrong with a system which has repeatedly allowed a person to LOSE the popular vote and still somehow win the electionm Because that is a self-evidently stupid thing to argue. Just so incredibly stupid. A person gets thousands less votes then the other person and still somehow wins because of an outdated, idiotic system, and you dont see a problem with it. Because youre a disingenuous clown. If it was the other way around, you would be whining about it incessantly. The entire rest of the world makes fun of the electoral college, and with good reason.

Let me think a second.... Hmmmm the EU...lol that didn't take very long...geez...

So genius what other place on this planet do we have independent states formed into a union under a federal Government? Until the EU there really wasn't any other but America, and so the popular vote is all these other countries have to work with. The EU's 5 Presidents are elected with zero popular votes for their leadership positions, otherwise a person like their current EC President who was the former Prime Minister of Luxembourg with a population of 590,000 would never have had a chance over a country like Germany with 80 million.

originally posted by: Barcs
a reply to: scrounger

Agreed. I also think it would be better if they had a voting week instead of just one day. This way there wouldn't be long ass lines at the polling centers with people waiting hours on a TUESDAY, when everyone has to work and is trying to squeeze in their votes at the last second. It's a horrible system right now. It needs major reform.

This, i agree with. Either make it a national holiday, Saturday, or multiple days.

Early voting alleviates some of this problem, but it is hard to change your vote, if some information come out in the last days of campaigning.

originally posted by: Mach2
It would be "dumb", if the United States were a true democracy.

It is a representative republic of independent states.

What is so hard to understand about this concept.

Our president is the president of the states, not of the individual people. That is why we use an EC.

Why would a state, say Wyoming, or Rhode Island, for example, join the republic in the first place, if this were not the case?

I am not advocating for a true democracy where mob really does rule and determine policies. All I'm saying is that for a PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, it should be decided by what the majority of people in the US want. I understand how it works, I just think it's due for reform. Penalizing states for having higher populations is not fair. It's archaic. We don't need to worry about states joining the union anymore. That's in the ancient past. We need to look to the future.

originally posted by: Barcs

Trump lost the popular vote and that shows something is majorly wrong with the electoral college when it doesn't reflect who the majority of people vote for. Dems are trying to get rid of it because they have an unfair advantage, plus many people don't vote because their votes don't count.

That something "wrong" is what our forefathers built in as part of keeping the independence of each state. The number that skews the popular vote is the 2 votes per state by their senators, no more no less. Each state is equal under the union so each get 2 votes, then the house splits the 435 base on population, but states will still get at lease one population vote.

So when CA gets 55 votes with about 40 million people and Wyoming get 3 votes with 600k that is where you might see things wrong, but the reality is they are so right. If we just went with one vote per 500k then Wyoming would get 1 and CA would have 80, those 80 votes would over ride 32 other states that would get 1 to 8 votes each.

originally posted by: Barcs

I am not advocating for a true democracy where mob really does rule and determine policies. All I'm saying is that for a PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, it should be decided by what the majority of people in the US want. I understand how it works, I just think it's due for reform. Penalizing states for having higher populations is not fair. It's archaic. We don't need to worry about states joining the union anymore. That's in the ancient past. We need to look to the future.

Lol the President is the only position that does not use the popular vote so what are you talking about not wanting to go full democracy. The President of the United States...you know those 50 independent States that share equal powers under the federal Government?

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Mach2
It would be "dumb", if the United States were a true democracy.

It is a representative republic of independent states.

What is so hard to understand about this concept.

Our president is the president of the states, not of the individual people. That is why we use an EC.

Why would a state, say Wyoming, or Rhode Island, for example, join the republic in the first place, if this were not the case?

We don't need to worry about states joining the union anymore.

No with what your suggesting you'll just have to worry about them leaving.

a reply to: neo96


OK.
I'll bite
Let's do that and eliminate the Electoral College.

BUT, be fair and make ALL major decisions based on a popular vote.

Then hold a popular vote on
- gun control
- abortion,
- illegal immigration,
- and if there should be a 3rd gender bathroom

Watch liberal heads explode......

The ONLY god-damned reason ANYONE is arguing against the electoral college is because the miserable leftist ass-twinkies are still effing butt-hurt over Hillary losing.

Trump won because the MAJORITY of people in the MAJORITY of counties in the MAJORITY of states voted for him.

Jesus!

I've never seen a population of sore-assed losers like the miserable cry-baby leftists.

Pathetic!