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originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
And so it starts......
Arrests Made in UK
Manchester Police Arrest 2
A 24yr old man was earlier arrested in Oldham for showing support of the NZ shooter online. Now obviously I can't condone what that person posted and in the current climate he should know its quite dangerous to post anything that could hurt people or their feelings and I suppose it was quite tactless, but if he wasn't calling for death or violence and simply posting his own opinion however delusional, then there is no crime. If the couple arguing with the taxi driver were unpleasant and insulting then there is NO CRIME except the crime of the taxi driver perhaps being upset, which I'm sorry but that's life and probably that taxi driver gets insulted and upset every Saturday night with the drunks but its still NOT A CRIME.
Whatever my personal horror at the shooting and whatever my disgust at those that support the killer, its merely words, a crime is only committed if a law is broken such as incitement to violence etc. You CANNOT have a crime of hurt feelings! But it seems indeed you can
Greater Manchester Police Constable stated
The events which happened two days ago in New Zealand continue to cause huge upset with people of all faiths from across Greater Manchester. “It is absolutely clear that compassion and support is how the overwhelming majority of people feel and, as always, Greater Manchester stands together. “Over the weekend we have had, however, a small number of incidents where people have either posted or made remarks referencing the horrible events in New Zealand, particularly online where people often think it is acceptable to abuse others. “Some of these comments are frankly disgusting. I am amazed how some people think it is acceptable to make such careless and disrespectful remarks. “People are entitled to free speech and this is always respected, however, where this crosses the boundary into criminal offences, let me be really clear, we will make arrests and if the evidence is there we will seek the prosecution of those involved.” – ASSISTANT CHIEF CONSTABLE RUSS JACKSON, GREATER MANCHESTER POLICE
I'm interested to know just what the actual criminal offence is here....besides holding an unpopular opinion. Clearly the statement of the Ass Chief Constable regarding free speech is hogwash.
Youtube & Spotify have even gone so far as to remove the music the shooter was listening to for crying out loud! Censorship is now the norm...conform or see jail time.
Whatever you may post online someone somewhere can be offended if they so choose. Now in the UK if you hurt someone's feelings and they feel offended regardless of whether you meant any offence or not you can be arrested. Whatever you say in an argument or the heat of the moment can be used against you...watch your speech watch your opinions watch your tone of voice be careful who you speak to...you could be misinterpreted and end up in Court.
This is just the beginning....newspeak thoughtcrime and hold no opinions but official ones is now a reality
The 4 arrested are clearly idiotic #wits but that in itself is no crime.
Views should be challenged rather banned.
There is so much hatred about in the world at the moment.....
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport
There are 7.5 billion people in the World. There is an ultra small percentage of crazy extremists who act on their craziness.
I think what is important is not to form a broad stroke generalizations based on math illiterate observations.
Are you talking about crazy extremists and dysfunctionals like antifa, blm, 3rd/4th feminazis, progressives, the AGW/AGCC crowd, sjws and generally liberals? Or are you talking about crazy religious fundamentalist extremists? There be a lot of different kinds of crazy extremists out there.
Cheers - Dave
In this case a crazy white supremacist.
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport
I think you'd need to know what was actually said, before you could establish whether these people were arrested for simply exercising freedom of speech.
I mean, having an opinion that's unsympathetic about what happened in Christchurch would be one thing, but making threats by referencing the massacre... well that's a whole different kettle of fish.
I'm pretty sure that would even be considered illegal over in the land of the free... I highly doubt even the 1st amendment affords people the right to make threats of violence.
A man, aged 33, and a woman, 34, were held on suspicion of racially aggravated public order offences in Rochdale.
Another woman has also been arrested in the same town on suspicion of a racially aggravated public order offence "following comments made online about the New Zealand attack". Separately, a 24-year-old from Oldham was arrested over a Facebook post which police said expressed "support" for the white supremacist terror attack.