Beto O’Rourke: Ban AR-15 Sales in America

a reply to: neo96

Better solution, ban beto.

a reply to: neo96>>> thought his name was Fredo Orourke. " I'm smart. I'm not stupid, not like everybody says."

a reply to: shooterbrody

As the founders intended the people to be the ultimate check imo, what is standard issue to a gi should be available.

I understand the above sentiments. But does not that point become defunk when the government could kill you from the touch of a button on a laptop

a reply to: neo96

Because civil liberty isn't negotiable. Gunphobes wouldn't stand for treating our rights to speech and voting the same way we they do the second.

What makes you think that having the ability to kill each other and beings is an act of freedom. It seems to me to be the very opposite.

In my opinion your idea of freedom seems to come with a noose.

originally posted by: narrator

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: narrator

You failed to acknowledge this:

At the time when the second was written the people could keep the same weapons as any soldier. Why would time change that?

as I posted, lots of reasons, the need was demonstrated by the quotes and actions of the founders.

Time has not changed that need. That need has been demonstrated globally by nations all over the planet in the time since the founders included the 2nd. That reflects on the wisdom of the founders imo.

And I just completely disagree with that. GIs go through months of training. The average citizen does not, they just go to a store and buy the gun. You can't compare the two, it's apples to watermelons.

7% of US citizens have served in the armed forces. 7% of 320,000,000 is 22,400,000. Pretty sure you have folks all around you well trained in firearms. Couple that with the fact a vast majority of those who buy guns do get training, participate in sanctioned shooting competitions, or are employed in law enforcement or armed security.

Many states require training to possess concealed carry or plain old carry licenses, so there’s a few more million with your required training.

Feel free to disagree, the facts are the facts. Though I’ve never had a desire to own a rifle (much prefer pistols and the skill they take to master, both in accuracy and expeditious reloads), it’s folks like you (who think they are in a position to dictate how other US citizens must live their lives) that drive me closer every day to start an AR collection to match my pistol collection.

And your disingenuous arguments about nukes, fighter jets, tank, submarines, etc. are just plain stupid in relation to the US Constitution.

originally posted by: TheTruthRocks
a reply to: narrator

Ah, but you didn't see the line "the right of the people." It does not say 'the right of a well regulated militia'.

There are two considerations: militia, AND the people. Look:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The framers were very careful to word it this way.

The liberals are no longer taught that punctuation may affect meaning in their indoctrination centers (US public schools and public/private universities). It is beyond most of their comprehension, though generally not their fault (poor education system) that there are two principles in that sentence, separated by a comma...the one specifically after “State” and before “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Read an article today that South Carolina has drafted legislation to forbid the teaching of the US Constitution in Universities. Yet another step taken on the road to unbridled socialism and the fall of the US. Liberals won’t be happy until the DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC known as the United States of America is just another #hole country on their march to their perceived socialist utopia.

Which is the scary guns and which ones are okay?



Hint they all use the same round.

The fact is, "a well-regulated militia" could have been phrased "a well-regularized militia." The terms were synonymous back in the day. The militia was supposed to be "regulars." In other words, they were supposed to be equipped and trained to a standard.

At the time of the Constitution, and for decades afterward, many colonies celebrated "muster day," when all the adult males in the community had to report to the village commons and practice drill and participate in a marksmanship competition. It usually had the hallmarks of a country fair.

Then the Civil war happened. And it turned out that the south had all the best commanders (Lee, Hood, Longstreet), while the North did not (McLellan, Burnside). Worse, many of the union conscripts were from the city. They did not hunt and had never used guns for the most part.

After the war, several union generals worked to form the NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION to be a non-government organizer of militias. The goal was to improve the shooting abilities of northern men so that they could hold their own against the south or any foreign invader.

To this day, the NRA sets the standard for civilian gun-training classes. Up into the 1960s, the Department of Defense worked directly with the NRA, furnishing them with used military rifles and hosting shooting competitions between civilians and soldiers. For nearly a hundred years, the NRA was seen as the "reserve" of us fighting capability.

the progressives erased all that.

You disarm the population and that's when the real bloodbath begins. The real root of the problem is our economy is crumbling around us. The last few Wars we had took it's toll. No one really wins. People lost their homes, lost their jobs, no medical or counseling help. We've got to fix what's going on here at home first before we can solve the problems in the rest of the world. We're literally bleeding out to help everyone else in the world and we simply can't do it anymore. Approximately 2/3rds of the population is jobless, elderly, children, and 1/3 of that are jobless of age workers.

Then you have catastrophes happening all around that could of been prevented. Nebraska and Ohio is under water right now because a dam that broke. Poor management there. They should of known to release that water early on before the spring melt off. They probably thought they would hold it back for drought in the summer, which was the wrong thing to do. They can calculate how much snowfall there is by the acres and get a rough estimate of potential water overflow. I live in an state and area where there are many dams. I've talked to officials in securing them more. I get out enough to see potential problems. One lake has enough water in it that it would wash every city in it's path out to Sea. It would make 9/11 look like child's play. I think things like that deserve 24hr security and more than a fence and chain/lock. You know what I mean?

Then we got problems with the border. I mean how the hell can we tell who's coming and going down there? They should also include road access security no one in or out, if they don't already. Place large boulders strategically in area's where all terrain vehicles can't get through. I don't know maybe it's the security mindset I have. It's hard to fix the small problems when you got gaping holes. LOL