What if our reality is a lie?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: FluffyKittens

Our problem lies with the fact that we are 3-dimensional beings that exist within 11-dimensional space-time.

I think it may be a dogmatic assumption to assume there is a true 1-to-1 mapping of mathematics to reality. Language is a representation of reality. People just assume the language they use to represent reality is much stronger than it actually is. Take the laws of physics for example. The idea of "law" is purely an anthropomorphic construct. Reality is analog and may be evolving or changing regardless of our language we use to describe it:

Science Delusion Banned Ted Talk

Every piece of reality is connected to every other piece of reality in one continuous wave. Our thoughts and words we use to represent reality are discrete separations from existence. But most people think their own dogma is absolute truth and any questioning of assumptions considered to be true without any proof are frowned upon. The fact that anything exists as all as opposed to nothing is a complete violation to the law of conservation of energy. Just saying.

originally posted by: andy06shake
Fact of the "matter" is we are simply not equipped nor have to date constructed the tools to even begin to scratch the surface of what constitutes the reality in which we seem to exist.

We are equipped because our minds are directly connected to reality. We are made of the very stuff we are experiencing. The problem is not access. The problem is language is so limited in representing our experience of reality. So the limitations of language make it very difficult to get other people to understand what we are experiencing.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Reality is unknowable because there isn't any thing separate from it to know it.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Language is mathematics mate, sounds, tone, frequency, phonetics and linguistics all contain mathematical expressions.

Truth is its all about frequency and vibration really.

After all, we exist within an explosion, that is the universe, that is the big bang, that spawned the current iteration of space-time.

We are not equipped to understand the universe any more than an ant or a bumblebee is in the grand scheme of things.

We simply are not that special nor complex.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: dfnj2015

Reality is unknowable because there isn't any thing separate from it to know it.

How do you know that?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: dfnj2015

Language is mathematics mate, sounds, tone, frequency, phonetics and linguistics all contain mathematical expressions.

Truth is its all about frequency and vibration really.

After all, we exist within an explosion, that is the universe, that is the big bang, that spawned the current iteration of space-time.

We are not equipped to understand the universe any more than an ant or a bumblebee is in the grand scheme of things.

We simply are not that special nor complex.

Our Big Bang could be the result of a star collapsing to a black hole in a previously existing space-time dimension:

White Holes

originally posted by: vinifalou
There's something in the air (no memes necessary). Those who has always seek the truth of our nature are feeling it, those who has always dismissed the idea will keep dismissing it until something happens, and that's OK too... They really managed to hide the truth from us because it was so well-orchestrated... They then launched the "conspiracy theory" term, so people could automatically dismiss the idea. Remember when talking about Aliens were a taboo? You could only say the word and people would laugh at you. Isn't this orchestrated? Why would you laugh at something like this if you haven't been told to?

btw, this post is amazing. So much to talk about!

I think people see the World through a lens of perception based on their own prejudice and bigotry. If someone has a bad disease they will see the World through a darker lens. Our emotional well-being often defines how we experience reality. Maybe what you are feeling is actually more personal in nature and not something bigger than your own feelings of it.

a reply to: vinifalou

You felt something? And because of this feeling, you believe something big is coming?

Could it be something simple as indigestion?

a reply to: XXXN3O

snake, Snake, SNAKE!

MGS was a great game, i have a habit of adding numbers in things, the frequency there added to 18 which reduces to 9,

i dont know if im more drawn to things with these numbers or if they are deliberately or unconsciously produced by those that display it.

but its like ive always said, it doesn't matter how bad the world seems, its not by accident, everything has purpose and realisation of the now may not come till the after, but trying to understand this world and its weirdness is above our brains capacity for understanding.

best trying to figure ourselves out first, look in before you look out and all that...

a reply to: dfnj2015

I don't.

a reply to: dfnj2015

The question as to what came before the big bang whilst of interest is rather meaningless.

Down to the very nature of the universe, any observation or measurement of what came before the current iteration of space-time, if anything, is impossible.

Like the idea of white holes all the same.

a reply to: andy06shake

Our problem lies with the fact that we are 3-dimensional beings that exist within 11-dimensional space-time.

I don't think it's wise to sum this "fact" up so quickly and easily.

Fact of the "matter" is we are simply not equipped nor have to date constructed the tools to even begin to scratch the surface of what constitutes the reality in which we seem to exist.

Using the term "reality," when there are no such boundaries, presents a problem when trying to explain the concept. Chaos and order can easily coalesce by saying, that which is in order gives way to chaos (decomposition). One cannot exist alone, though Nature tries to order itself in it's being. People have a tendency to fall "out of order", not only externally, but internally, and the more we strive to perfect our being (as Nature does - platonic/crystalline solids), the higher the state we can achieve. The only tool required is thyself.

a reply to: FluffyKittens

"I don't think it's wise to sum this "fact" up so quickly and easily."

The mathematics does that mate not me per-say.

"Using the term "reality," when there are no such boundaries, presents a problem when trying to explain the concept. Chaos and order can easily coalesce by saying, that which is in order gives way to chaos (decomposition). One cannot exist alone, though Nature tries to order itself in it's being. People have a tendency to fall "out of order", not only externally, but internally, and the more we strive to perfect our being (as Nature does - platonic/crystalline solids), the higher the state we can achieve. The only tool required is thyself."

You seem to be confusing physics with metaphysics/philosophy somewhat, they're not exactly synonymous.

Physics studies the world(universe), philosophy studies how to study the world.

a reply to: vinifalou

What if our reality is a lie?

Of course we've been lied to. Of course we don't know everything. But let's take that a step further... what if our reality is all about the lies we tell ourselves and believe???

Because the simple truth is that no one can manipulate or compromise or exploit us without our cooperation and consent. Every day, we are bombarded with jillions of different messages, in various ways, from various people and perspectives. Many of which completely contradict each other. So it is impossible to believe every message we receive. Therefore, of necessity, we choose which lies we believe or not, and which lies we live in accordance with, thus creating our own reality of lies.

This is then compounded by people believing their opinion is fact.... believing they know what they cannot know... often times, even to the point of ignoring the truth right in front of their faces. More often than not, those wishing to manipulate our minds and opinions will start with the truth -- at least a little bit of the truth -- something their target already knows to be factual. The truth is then expanded to include half-truths, mis-truths and un-truths. When those non-truths are accepted as fact, the target is then lauded for being so much smarter and clever than the average bear, who simply cannot understand these "new truths." And, of course, they are oh-so-grateful to the amazing mentor, and oh-so-flattered to be among the omniscient elite. At some point, when these "new truths" are attacked (and rightfully so), the true believers must defend the honor and integrity of their mentor and themselves -- it's all the same thing now. Any criticism or attack on the mentor, followers, or ideology itself is an attack on all three and must be defended and protected. An echo chamber is created, and any dissenting voices are belittled and mocked and otherwise discredited (if not silenced), further propping up the ideology and egos of the people involved.

This is a very simple -- perhaps simplistic -- description of how so many people are manipulated, but not the only way. It isn't anywhere near to being the whole truth. It's a starting place though, for those who really want to do better.

And for what it's worth, while it might be minimally instructive to observe and understand how this plays into our ideological opponent's thought processes, applying it to our own ideological thought processes will be much more productive and practical.