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Democrat Senator and CNN rush to blame Trump over New Zealand Massacre

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posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 10:41 PM
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originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows
a reply to: Lumenari

This is really bad rhetoric.

What murderer?
Right now all this is, is people allowing insane levels of division that only profits the insane amongst us.

Don't like people like say Chrononaut?
You're exactly like them.
All that differs is the "sides".


It isn't rhetoric, it is reality.

When you come to the natural conclusion that dealing with Progressives is a zero sum game politically, there is no longer any reason to meet in the middle.

Because they don't.. they keep pushing until they get what they want.

Example... abortion.

Abortion, first trimester.. why not? Let's meet in the middle.

Abortion, second trimester... kinda feeling off about this, but under certain circumstances, why not? Let's meet in the middle.

Late-term abortions, I think this is wrong and I'll put up a fight about it except in certain circumstances. Write the law right, and we'll meet in the middle.

Killing your child after it's been born, which is currently in the USA new laws in some states...

To me, that's murder.

I'm not going to meet you in the middle about that, you are a monster and we need to start working towards getting your ideology out of society.

Probably you as well.

Now I can take the abortion example and apply it to 50 other things Progressives have slowly taken over through the years in America.

For me, I'm not meeting in the middle anymore on several issues.

Because the left doesn't have a "middle".

They just want everything until they own everything.

They are a cancer to our society and we need a cure.




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posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 10:42 PM
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originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows
a reply to: DBCowboy

Familiar with the term flashpoint?


And you think this was it?



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 10:43 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

It's just a whole new level of nuts don't you think when someone blatantly tells you he just massacred 49 people to provoke one side into hating the other and those people get triggered in exactly that way despite being told this was exactly why those 49 were murdered.

Don't they see this means the murderer wins? It's like a terrorist hijacking a plane and threatening to crash it into a nuclear power plant unless someone leaves $10 billion in unmarked bills on a couple of pallets in the Iranian desert and some bozo goes and does it.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 10:44 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

And you provide still more rhetoric......
The hint is in the massively broad strokes you are using.
Amongst other things.


And you're proving my point.
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posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 10:46 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I'm fervently hoping it isn't.
But the machine is grinding forward.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 10:47 PM
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originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows
a reply to: Lumenari

And you provide still more rhetoric......
The hint is in the massively broad strokes you are using.
Amongst other things.



Had to delete your first post I replied to so you can attempt to make a point with a rewrite?

How subtle of you..




posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 10:49 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

No.
I deleted a double post, like I said in the post.
But I can see why you need to believe otherwise.

Obvious grasping at deflections is obvious.
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posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 10:55 PM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: chr0naut

The self-proclaimed leftist coward shooter that you call a right-winger.

This has been some dark crapola today.

But nice try. I will give you that.

You'll have many idiots actually believing that a pro-China, pro-Communist was a right-winger.


He was pro-China but that doesn't make him pro-communist.

China hasn't been communist for ages. It has a socialist base, but of recent years it has embraced capitalism in a big way. That is why the US is having difficulty competing with China in terms of trade and technology, because the Chinese economy is a capitalist powerhouse and the US is loosing its primacy.


LMAO its literally called the Communist Party of China, they call themselves that...........its a single party state...


They call themselves a republic, the People's Republic of China. What other countries call themselves republics, I wonder?

Did you know they have a national constitution? That makes them a constitutional republic, doesn't it.

Government of China From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, did you know that they are a multi-party state? Here's Wikipedia on the subject. Although the constitution grants the Communist Party a permanent position, regardless of other parties , which may come and go.

It looks like your beliefs, based upon 1950's propaganda and still promulgated by your government and media, is somewhat dated.

Or are you suggesting that because this exists, CPUSA, that the US is Communist?


They mandate a state religion and are disappearing muslims and christians, and when they arent disappeared they are put in literal work/reeducation camps..........

Sounds pretty fking Communist to me.....


What would Gitmo be, then... communist?


Good god youre really doubling down on delusion today arent ya.........


Yummy, I eat delusions for breakfast.


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posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 10:58 PM
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a reply to: HarbingerOfShadows

However, at some point, people have to be allowed to discuss the issues. If we cannot talk about the things that are important to us and important to society, how do we express our differences and find our agreements and disagreements?

The problem is when we stop thinking of each other as individual human beings now when we do it.

How often do you consider when you type response that there is a person on the other end of the keyboard? I never try to lose site of that. Sure we all have our groups, but just because I may be a woman doesn't mean I see eye to eye with all the so-called policy aims that politicians tell us women are supposed to care so very deeply about. Certainly, I wasn't inclined to prance around DC with ridiculous pink pussy hat on my head nor did I or do I feel threatened by the current occupant of the White House.

On other things I may see more eye to eye with women, but it's a mistake to assume that my gender puts me in some box where I can be owned like a cow.

But that's what this identity craze does.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 11:00 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Vietnam and North Korea to name two.
Both Communist nations.


Perhaps addressing your own delusions should be your priority.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 11:01 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

I'm saying they actually Call themselves communist....

And the exerted control over the populace, and flow. Of information as we as state run media and limited internet exposure, to Only what the state Deems acceptable bares that out....

You can pretend you're smarter than everyone else all you want......

But the blatant ignoring of facts betrays that.....

But hey, I guess you can always fall back on dismembering people right?

I hate to be That guy.....

But honestly man you're coming off super radical yourself and it's a bit concerning



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 11:03 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I mostly agree with you.
I
But I wasn't arguing against discussion.
I don't think you're paying attention to what I'm saying

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posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: pavil

That is why the US is having difficulty competing with China in terms of trade and technology,



Yeah because the US is stealing all of China's homegrown innovations and intellectual property.


Oh, that is why the Chinese have already rolled out 5G telephony and the US doesn't even have a company offering an end-to-end 5G solution.

Or, perhaps US technological superiority ended years ago?

Didn't you guys claim to have invented wireless radio, and that went to an Italian, heavier than air flight, and that went to a Scotsman, rocketry, and that went to a Russian, and nuclear science, and that went to a French woman and a New Zealander.

Perhaps it's all been lies?




posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 11:05 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Did you just try and compare gitmo, a detention center for actual terrorist, to how the chinese are rounding up any people who worship different religions, or speak out against the state???

This sort of idiotic equivocation would be funny if you weren't serious....

Again.... You're coming off as super radical yourself..and even advocated dismembering someone.... .
Maybe new Zealand out to keep an eye out on you as well...
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posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 11:12 PM
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originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows
a reply to: ketsuko

I mostly agree with you.
I
But I wasn't arguing against discussion.
I don't think you're paying attention to what I'm saying


No, you are against labels and broad-brushing which seems to running rampant in this thread.

I am saying that at a certain point, you do have to use labels. They do serve a useful purpose. The problem is that we've allowed them to become ... I don't know toxic. We wear them like badges to define who we are and use them the same way to box in others whether or not those others need or want those labels.

I mean, you know they've become a toxic problem when instead of making movie characters interesting individuals, we've started defining them by the identity labels they wear.
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posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 11:13 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: chr0naut

You have just spent 30 or so posts in frantic denial because the mass-murder thinks pretty much like you do, if you read the manifesto.

Desperately trying to project a historical viewpoint of what you consider to be right wing so you can justify your ideology isn't resonating with normal people.

In the end, all you are justifying is his motives behind it.

Just... ick.




His motives are right wing. You have just been trying to deny what is plain.

I'm fairly sure that I have not laid out what my ideology is. So, you drawing some sort of conclusion about my ideology is one more example of your confirmation bias, to try and absolve yourself.

All I have been doing is to reply to those who have said something that isn't true and that supports their ideology.

I'm not a right winger, nor on the left. I'm in the middle.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 11:14 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: xuenchen

I mean Trump DIDNT denounce the Nazis and racists at that event last year.

That's the point, as the leader of this country

Trump needs to vociferously condemn racist haters


Nazis ?

Racists ?

Why does Trump have to denounce these people when noone else does from other groups that have equally or worse scumbags operating with all blessings ?



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 11:17 PM
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originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows
a reply to: chr0naut

Vietnam and North Korea to name two.
Both Communist nations.

Perhaps addressing your own delusions should be your priority.


And the Nazi's called themselves "National Socialists".

Your point?

Anyway, back to the topic: The Christchurch gunman was right wing. Undeniably.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 11:19 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Very well said. And its exactly whats happening. I really dont care anymore. As I said, let it happen. I will defend my family and myself by any means necessary. If you come for me, you better have a real good #ing reason.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 11:25 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut


So, you drawing some sort of conclusion about my ideology is one more example of your confirmation bias



The Christchurch gunman was right wing. Undeniably.




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