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originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: pheonix358
...one in dark green camo..
To whit:
WTF?
A sole shooter?
Any locals know where the above pic was taken?
originally posted by: gallop
a reply to: Krakatoa
Why didn't the people in the church in America utilise their second amendment rights and destroy the threat that they were all so trained to combat, whilst engaging in sunday prayer? Common sense, even kids in kindy should know how to take a mofo down. amirite?
christ mate, they were in the most laid back country on the planet, surrounded not by people with intent to slaughter them, but friends and family.
I'd honestly not like living in the world you suppose.
originally posted by: caterpillage
Too bad that guy that had the stones to try rushing the shooter didnt have a gun. He could have saved a bunch of lives, including his own.
originally posted by: LordAhriman
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
I see that you are overly sensitive as well.
I don't see hate here. I see, though heated at times, discussion. We do not know eachother at all. But I am willing to bet you hold more hate for me than I do you, simply because of what I believe and whom I support.
I also expect you to deny and deflect this, as its the only sensible thing for you to do.
I'm not sensitive. Never been offended in my life. This place has anti Muslim circle jerks at least once a week.
I don't hate anybody who hasn't hurt anybody, so you're dead wrong. Unless you're hiding something. I just feel sorry for people who have views such as yours on other humans. Blanket stereotypes are dangerous, and why this happened.
originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
this twitter video clearly shows two people, one in all black and a second in a white t-shirt as phoenix mentioned above.
originally posted by: gallop
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: Krakatoa
I have to agree with that point. One of the people who escaped keeps popping up in interviews - his instinct was to get TFO of the nearest available window and then hide, initially in the neighbouring building.
However, some victims are kids - could you in all honesty abandon your children to save yourself? Must be an impossibly horrendous situation to find yourself in.
With regard to the children. Do you honestly think that covering them with your body will stop a hail of bullets from penetrating you into them and killing them too? I understand the instinct to protect the children, don't get me wrong. However, huddling with them will NOT save them in a shooter scenario. Get them and you OUT of the kill box.
Staying in the kill box is guaranteeing that child's death....as has been proven.
What does a grandfather, a father do, then.. throw pottery at the culprit? If you are not accustomed to combat, do you suddenly become rambo? Make a bazooka out of some bricks and a prayer mat?
There was no immediate escape, and absolutely no idea what was occurring. I can't imagine the sheer panic that swept over every single one of them. I am afraid to put myself in that place within my mind, I would be destroyed in that instant. How can you put your own fearlessness onto innocent people, that in a split second from engaging in a typical days prayer, engagement, safety, to staring down the barrel of an automatic rifle pointed at them.
I don't get your stance.. The one bloke who did appear to try, was immediately murdered, right on camera.
originally posted by: gallop
originally posted by: caterpillage
Too bad that guy that had the stones to try rushing the shooter didnt have a gun. He could have saved a bunch of lives, including his own.
When I first saw this, my first instinct was that he was not trying to rush the guy, but # scared and running.
That's the level of panic and fear I saw from them all, trapped, and certainly not prepared for such an event. They were mostly friends and family. Not hardened warriors. No different than any church congregation on any given sunday. And down this way, churches are not full of harley riding, gun toting types, but people like your parents..
Is the general consensus that as they were muslim, they should be used to fighting, and not prone to complete panic when faced with some asshole intent on killing you?
I don't agree with islam, it goes against many things I hold close... but I am even more against the slaughter of innocent people no matter their personal beliefs. And I can see how these people, scared, unsure of what was happening, had the first instinct to protect one another, despite those here now complaining that "did they really think covering each other would stop a bullet? lies."
despite those here now complaining that "did they really think covering each other would stop a bullet? lies."
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: gallop
originally posted by: caterpillage
Too bad that guy that had the stones to try rushing the shooter didnt have a gun. He could have saved a bunch of lives, including his own.
When I first saw this, my first instinct was that he was not trying to rush the guy, but # scared and running.
That's the level of panic and fear I saw from them all, trapped, and certainly not prepared for such an event. They were mostly friends and family. Not hardened warriors. No different than any church congregation on any given sunday. And down this way, churches are not full of harley riding, gun toting types, but people like your parents..
Is the general consensus that as they were muslim, they should be used to fighting, and not prone to complete panic when faced with some asshole intent on killing you?
I don't agree with islam, it goes against many things I hold close... but I am even more against the slaughter of innocent people no matter their personal beliefs. And I can see how these people, scared, unsure of what was happening, had the first instinct to protect one another, despite those here now complaining that "did they really think covering each other would stop a bullet? lies."
You said,
despite those here now complaining that "did they really think covering each other would stop a bullet? lies."
Tell me, how is that a lie? Cowering in a corner in a group only makes the attackers job easier....that is a FACT....not a lie. The sooner people realize that the more lives can be saved in these situations.
originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: pheonix358
...one in dark green camo..
To whit:
WTF?
A sole shooter?Which is why you cannot trust governments and what is going for sure...All been poisoned by politics....Plus this is a conspiracy website..Still always is fishy stuff going on with some of the shootings.
Any locals know where the above pic was taken?
originally posted by: harold223
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: gallop
originally posted by: caterpillage
Too bad that guy that had the stones to try rushing the shooter didnt have a gun. He could have saved a bunch of lives, including his own.
When I first saw this, my first instinct was that he was not trying to rush the guy, but # scared and running.
That's the level of panic and fear I saw from them all, trapped, and certainly not prepared for such an event. They were mostly friends and family. Not hardened warriors. No different than any church congregation on any given sunday. And down this way, churches are not full of harley riding, gun toting types, but people like your parents..
Is the general consensus that as they were muslim, they should be used to fighting, and not prone to complete panic when faced with some asshole intent on killing you?
I don't agree with islam, it goes against many things I hold close... but I am even more against the slaughter of innocent people no matter their personal beliefs. And I can see how these people, scared, unsure of what was happening, had the first instinct to protect one another, despite those here now complaining that "did they really think covering each other would stop a bullet? lies."
You said,
despite those here now complaining that "did they really think covering each other would stop a bullet? lies."
Tell me, how is that a lie? Cowering in a corner in a group only makes the attackers job easier....that is a FACT....not a lie. The sooner people realize that the more lives can be saved in these situations.
Realise or not, unless trained to the point of reflex action, under adrenal stress, instinct will take over. Humans have a herding instinct when in groups. This is why you can read about how to fight and watch videos about it but unless you train to the point of muscle memory you will likely flail ineffectively. Source: I am a martial arts instructor. These are ordinary everyday people living in a peaceful place, woman and children FFS.
www.usatoday.com...
Worked as a personal trainer at a gym, traveled the world
ABC reported that Tarrant worked as a personal trainer at Big River Gym in Grafton from 2009 to 2011, when he then traveled in Asia and Europe.
He also made income through Bitconnect, a cryptocurrency like Bitcoin, that he used to help fund his trips. ...
"I think something must have changed in him during the years he spent traveling overseas," gym manager Tracey Gray told ABC.
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: harold223
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: gallop
originally posted by: caterpillage
Too bad that guy that had the stones to try rushing the shooter didnt have a gun. He could have saved a bunch of lives, including his own.
When I first saw this, my first instinct was that he was not trying to rush the guy, but # scared and running.
That's the level of panic and fear I saw from them all, trapped, and certainly not prepared for such an event. They were mostly friends and family. Not hardened warriors. No different than any church congregation on any given sunday. And down this way, churches are not full of harley riding, gun toting types, but people like your parents..
Is the general consensus that as they were muslim, they should be used to fighting, and not prone to complete panic when faced with some asshole intent on killing you?
I don't agree with islam, it goes against many things I hold close... but I am even more against the slaughter of innocent people no matter their personal beliefs. And I can see how these people, scared, unsure of what was happening, had the first instinct to protect one another, despite those here now complaining that "did they really think covering each other would stop a bullet? lies."
You said,
despite those here now complaining that "did they really think covering each other would stop a bullet? lies."
Tell me, how is that a lie? Cowering in a corner in a group only makes the attackers job easier....that is a FACT....not a lie. The sooner people realize that the more lives can be saved in these situations.
Realise or not, unless trained to the point of reflex action, under adrenal stress, instinct will take over. Humans have a herding instinct when in groups. This is why you can read about how to fight and watch videos about it but unless you train to the point of muscle memory you will likely flail ineffectively. Source: I am a martial arts instructor. These are ordinary everyday people living in a peaceful place, woman and children FFS.
Then I guess they are stupid if they cannot learn that actions such as that guarantee you will be dead. Huddling together is great for warmth, not so much against a psychotic armed attacker. And, you don't need to be a trained martial arts instructor to know that....or learn to spread out or escape if at all possible. Otherwise, you are signing the death warrant for that child you love and are covering. Will everyone be able to do that in the meant, NO, of course not. But, all you need is a few to begin to confront the attacker in a no-win scenario....the odds are you are dead anyways. Perhaps your sacrifice will buy time for others to live and the armed police to arrive.
originally posted by: starviego
So he works as a personal trainer for two years and suddenly has enough money to travel the world?
www.usatoday.com...
Worked as a personal trainer at a gym, traveled the world
ABC reported that Tarrant worked as a personal trainer at Big River Gym in Grafton from 2009 to 2011, when he then traveled in Asia and Europe.
He also made income through Bitconnect, a cryptocurrency like Bitcoin, that he used to help fund his trips. ...
"I think something must have changed in him during the years he spent traveling overseas," gym manager Tracey Gray told ABC.
Well at least they aren't claiming he made his money playlying video poker, ala the Las Vegas gunman.
Also said there was a shooting at hospital,and a school....then there wasnt .