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No Western country has managed to successfully integrate Muslims

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posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 05:00 AM
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Full title is: Dutch professor: “No Western country has managed to successfully integrate Muslims”

Regardless of how you feel or think about this subject the professor points out why there are problems with assimilation and integration with Muslims for western countries.


Based on his 20-year-long studies on integration and assimilation, Dutch professor of sociology Ruud Koopmans has come to the conclusion that Muslims are more difficult to integrate than other migrant groups.
Ruud Koopmans claims than no Western country has managed to successfully integrate Muslims.


In many western countries (Europe in particular) I figure those conclusions would cause one to be looking for a new job or hiding from a Jihadist.


Around 65 percent of the Turkish and Moroccan Muslims in six European countries consider religious rules to be more important than the secular law of the country in which they live.


Where have we heard that before ? Just about every Muslim cleric who is interviewed says the laws of Allah supersedes the man made laws of a country. Thus everyone needs to convert to their way of thinking and beliefs.


“The main problem is how many Muslims and, globally, many Muslim countries interpret Islam. Namely, in a way that basically claims that the Quran and the Sunna must be taken literally, and that the way the Prophet lived in the 7th century must be the yardstick for how Muslims should live in the 21st century.”


I do not care what anyone believes as long as they do not try and force their beliefs on others with bombs and bullets.....raping young girls or old women or refusing service to others through exclusion zones. Then I have a problem.. We had some of that stuff in America when Blacks could not drink from the same fountain or use the same restroom much less eat at the same restaurant as whites.. It was wrong then and I doubt hardly anyone would put up with that crap today.... Yet certain enclaves or so called "no go zones" set up by Muslims get a free pass except for mail not being delivered or fires being put out without a police escort..

Anyway I thought the article was concise without all the mud slinging. In the country I presently live at least once a month someone is killed by so called separatist/terrorist/Muslims/ in the far south claiming they want more autonomy and their own laws... What the terrorist do not seem to understand is what they are doing is making everyone who is Muslim a suspect much like what happened to the Uighurs in China, where over one million are now in communist reeducation (prison) camps because they wanted the same thing.


voiceofeurope.com...
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posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 05:25 AM
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I don't believe most are interested in immigration. When have they ever suggested otherwise?



posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 05:27 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky



I have a policy *Never mix politics and religion*

Its like trying to mix oil with water ........They just dont mix



posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 05:39 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

But I have seen a lot of Muslims in Canada and the US getting around easily and mixing well with the society.It also depends on ones personality and the intensity of their beliefs...Besides,I am not sure if anyone can integrate fully and completely in any society.


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posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 05:45 AM
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originally posted by: shapur
a reply to: 727Sky

But I have seen a lot of Muslims in Canada and the US getting around easily and mixing well with the society.It also depends on ones personality and the intensity of their beliefs...Besides,I am not sure if anyone can integrate fully and completely in any society.


If you grew up in another culture then you are right, full assimilation will be near impossible.
The children of these people however should integrate very well, provided they aren’t led to believe that the culture they are living in is inferior.
If that is the case then you won’t have assimilation you will have a parallel society and nothing but problems



posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 05:53 AM
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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

I don't exactly consider living in a parallel society to be problematic.A little difficult maybe but surely possible.


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posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 06:41 AM
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originally posted by: shapur
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

I don't exactly consider living in a parallel society to be problematic.A little difficult maybe but surely possible.


Like how the shia and sunni peacefully coexist? And the christian and muslims coexist?



posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 07:39 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

The problem with Islam is it requires certain things like praying over a loud speaker five times and wearing a hajib not drinking. All things that show your a Muslim. Every Muslim flocks to that loud speaker and then you have a Muslim neighborhood separate from the rest of the country. Ethnic and religious

Christian jews hindu etc you have very few distinct ways to know they're part of that religion. I've dated a Muslim girl(huge mistake) and in order for us to be together I had to join her community and religion. It was basically she gets disowned unless I convert. I realize some have that same rule but not as serious as Islam.

I'm not saying Muslims can't I'm just stating they have it far more difficult without seeming like complete outsiders.



posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 08:27 AM
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a reply to: caterpillage
I like the co-existancce of fake American Christians and those who they insult, slander, and condemn to hell for not listening in up with their beliefs. That is the kind of co-existancce I like.


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posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 08:50 AM
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It is a conquest through the womb, they don’t care for integration...



posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 08:59 AM
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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

This is exactly it!

I live in a town with a number of families who are recent Syrian arrivals, it's pretty clear who they are.

Prior to the arrival of these refugees, we had acquaintances of ours warning about how horrible the muslims are going to be, they even out right said that we need to make sure that we keep an eye on our dog, because all muslims hate dogs and according to them they will try to kill our dog... (on a side note, they literally have a copy of Mein Kampf on display in their living room). Now I know that dogs as pets are not really a thing where they come from, but I'll get back to that.

That was over a year ago, our dog is very much alive.

I see these families playing the park across from where I live, a park that no one has used in years. My interactions with them have been pleasant. The parents seem grateful and very polite (polite like how my grandmother taught me), the young children are all laughs and games. The teenage kids seem a little more solemn, but I think that's standard for all cultures.

When I'm walking my dog, the youngest members of these families can't take their eyes off of him. They tell me how much they like my dog, it's clearly still a bit of a novelty to see such a tamed beast, but these kids are adjusting and embracing these ideas that are normal to us, but would have seemed crazy to them before. These kids will go to public school, make friends, be exposed to our culture and find a way to identify in it. I imagine most of them will walk away from their religion at the same time as most people do here, and if they don't abandon it all together, it will be as watered down as all of the other Abrahamic faiths have become (I've never met a "christian" who can recite to me the ten commandments).

It takes time.



posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 08:59 AM
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originally posted by: 727Sky
Full title is: Dutch professor: “No Western country has managed to successfully integrate Muslims”

Regardless of how you feel or think about this subject the professor points out why there are problems with assimilation and integration with Muslims for western countries.


Based on his 20-year-long studies on integration and assimilation, Dutch professor of sociology Ruud Koopmans has come to the conclusion that Muslims are more difficult to integrate than other migrant groups.
Ruud Koopmans claims than no Western country has managed to successfully integrate Muslims.


In many western countries (Europe in particular) I figure those conclusions would cause one to be looking for a new job or hiding from a Jihadist.


Around 65 percent of the Turkish and Moroccan Muslims in six European countries consider religious rules to be more important than the secular law of the country in which they live.


Where have we heard that before ? Just about every Muslim cleric who is interviewed says the laws of Allah supersedes the man made laws of a country. Thus everyone needs to convert to their way of thinking and beliefs.


“The main problem is how many Muslims and, globally, many Muslim countries interpret Islam. Namely, in a way that basically claims that the Quran and the Sunna must be taken literally, and that the way the Prophet lived in the 7th century must be the yardstick for how Muslims should live in the 21st century.”


I do not care what anyone believes as long as they do not try and force their beliefs on others with bombs and bullets.....raping young girls or old women or refusing service to others through exclusion zones. Then I have a problem.. We had some of that stuff in America when Blacks could not drink from the same fountain or use the same restroom much less eat at the same restaurant as whites.. It was wrong then and I doubt hardly anyone would put up with that crap today.... Yet certain enclaves or so called "no go zones" set up by Muslims get a free pass except for mail not being delivered or fires being put out without a police escort..

Anyway I thought the article was concise without all the mud slinging. In the country I presently live at least once a month someone is killed by so called separatist/terrorist/Muslims/ in the far south claiming they want more autonomy and their own laws... What the terrorist do not seem to understand is what they are doing is making everyone who is Muslim a suspect much like what happened to the Uighurs in China, where over one million are now in communist reeducation (prison) camps because they wanted the same thing.


voiceofeurope.com...


so, my muslim buddies drinking alcohol and living a normal life only to trick me into being a muslim too? in germany we have around 6% muslims in our society and after more then 40 years living in germany i never was attacked or threatened by muslims. but i'm on some neonazis-lists as a so called antifa-rat because of arguing against their #ty idiology. i don't fear muslims i fear radicals and extremists.


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posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 09:09 AM
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For some reason I don't believe you about that list. Basically your post reminds me of " I have black friends so I can't be racist"

I'm glad you've had a great experience with Muslims I have too actually but our little life bubbles doesnt address the subject.

Plus can you really say the turks in Germany have integrated smoothly after all this time?



posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 09:55 AM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: oloufo

For some reason I don't believe you about that list. Basically your post reminds me of " I have black friends so I can't be racist"

I'm glad you've had a great experience with Muslims I have too actually but our little life bubbles doesnt address the subject.

Plus can you really say the turks in Germany have integrated smoothly after all this time?


of course they do! it seems you don't know how is it to live in germany, right? there are radicals, yes, like christian radicals, neonazis, left-wing-radicals, but these are minorities. maybe you took a ride and watch for yourself. no shooting, no violence. by the way, we have around 80.000 muslims in munich and its still one of the safest cities to live in the world.




posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 10:01 AM
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Now I can see first generation Muslims not integrating well. However, I would bet that future Generations will be less and less likely to follow hardcore conservative Islam.

I think the main problem is when a population is majority Muslim or has little interaction with other cultures.

I don't think anything good comes from having a hive mind Society. Look at Israel. It's civilized and has a lot of Western influences. But there still is a ton of racism against Palestinians. Having a country that's one religion or ideology is dangerous no matter what it is.
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posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 10:10 AM
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No western country has managed to successfully integrate religious people.
Ask a modern crusader like Pike the Menace in case of doubt?


Religion is important to 72% in U.S., including 51% "very important"
Record-low 46% in U.S. say religion can solve all or most problems
78% think religion is losing its influence on American life

gallup



posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: oloufo

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: oloufo

For some reason I don't believe you about that list. Basically your post reminds me of " I have black friends so I can't be racist"

I'm glad you've had a great experience with Muslims I have too actually but our little life bubbles doesnt address the subject.

Plus can you really say the turks in Germany have integrated smoothly after all this time?


of course they do! it seems you don't know how is it to live in germany, right? there are radicals, yes, like christian radicals, neonazis, left-wing-radicals, but these are minorities. maybe you took a ride and watch for yourself. no shooting, no violence. by the way, we have around 80.000 muslims in munich and its still one of the safest cities to live in the world.



OK the population in Munich is 1.45 million how do you expect a small population of 80000 in a video as a good example?

And what's with this epidemic of radical neo nazis and Christian radicals in Germany. I live in the US south how rampent is this crisis in Europe of white radical Christian nazis? I just thought I was at ground zero

But Munich does like very nice. I'd like to visit at some point
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posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

Voice of europe? holy crap talk about fake news.


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posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 10:16 AM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff


If you grew up in another culture then you are right, full assimilation will be near impossible.
The children of these people however should integrate very well, provided they aren’t led to believe that the culture they are living in is inferior.
If that is the case then you won’t have assimilation you will have a parallel society and nothing but problems


2nd generation migrants tend to be more radical than their parents. In the US they have higher rates of welfare usage. It seems these kids grow up with a chip on their shoulders and end up expressing that in anti-social ways like joining gangs or even fighting for ISIS.



posted on Mar, 11 2019 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: caterpillage
I like the co-existancce of fake American Christians and those who they insult, slander, and condemn to hell for not listening in up with their beliefs. That is the kind of co-existancce I like.


I like that too. That's pretty awesome



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